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20141227 03:15:35< irker589> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8de6d893c2bd / projectfiles/CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp: Updated codeblocks projectfile http://git.io/BsRnqg
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20141227 03:34:51< irker589> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 9cab010a5391 / projectfiles/Xcode/Wesnoth.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj: Update Xcode project file http://git.io/abGLpw
20141227 03:38:25< vultraz> mattsc: around?
20141227 03:39:03< mattsc> hi vultraz.  On and off.
20141227 03:39:19< vultraz> mattsc: I was just wondering if the second point on http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding#Improvements_to_AI was still relevant 
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20141227 03:40:32< mattsc> the old simple aspect syntax?
20141227 03:40:55< vultraz> yeah
20141227 03:41:12< mattsc> yes - if you ask me, that’s #1 on my AI coding wish list
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20141227 03:43:47< vultraz> ah. I thought it had been fixed
20141227 03:43:53< vultraz> was just wondering, thanks
20141227 03:44:34< mattsc> No, it hasn’t.  And ‘fixed’ isn’t quite right either, as this was considered a feature when it was introduced.
20141227 03:44:58< mattsc> But I have talked to Crab about this and he has said that there is not reason to keep it this way.
20141227 03:49:03< vultraz> ok
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20141227 05:37:11< irker589> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 616d499c57d6 / src/scripting/lua_common.cpp: fixup 2486b8ba4bcef056fb523d91f4a8445b48aef685 http://git.io/F_NBuQ
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20141227 08:34:45< shadowm> I thought mordante was a Debian user. Sigh.
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20141227 08:38:33< shadowm> Ah, I guess he must've been using lenny at the time.
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20141227 08:46:46< shadowm> I was under the impression lenny already used dash as /bin/sh, seems that's not the case.
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20141227 08:47:17< irker131> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 8ae98d442acb / changelog cmake/update_pot_source_dependencies.cmake: cmake: Fix pot-update target breakage when bash isn't the default shell http://git.io/ZAwalw
20141227 08:47:18< irker131> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 47498d9d3e26 / changelog cmake/update_pot_source_dependencies.cmake: cmake: Fix pot-update target breakage when bash isn't the default shell http://git.io/4FHL6Q
20141227 08:47:31< shadowm> I can pot-update now. \o/
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20141227 09:54:24< zookeeper> shadowm, you'll run pot-update right before release but not sooner, right?
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20141227 10:17:38< nurupo> Wesnoth is great https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/3632fa93d3dcd305b0527b8b3eee8ac02133b792/data/gui/qt/window/WesnothWindow.qml#L90
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20141227 13:06:48< irker100> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 9a1ff1a445dd / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg: Restored a subtler Shaun and Ed easter egg http://git.io/tcmLRA
20141227 13:07:03< irker100> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:1.12 47a3f8bec90e / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg: Restored a subtler Shaun and Ed easter egg http://git.io/my35Wg
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20141227 13:32:57< vultraz> zookeeper: I like
20141227 13:36:23< zookeeper> great
20141227 13:36:54< vultraz> I can't reallythink of any way to simplify the guard placement in S8
20141227 13:36:58< vultraz> so I think DiD is done
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20141227 13:37:35< zookeeper> unless you feel like working on the final scenario
20141227 13:44:05< vultraz> what do you think needs to be done again?
20141227 13:46:29< zookeeper> vary the dialogue by the hero race a bit (for example the ending dialogue spoken by orcs is pretty... weird), and vary the intro text too after the first victory to make it more clear that it's not a bug that you end up in the same scenario again
20141227 13:52:50< vultraz> zookeeper: speaking of that scenario, why do the dwarves get to recruit gryphon riders...underground
20141227 13:52:52< zookeeper> malin's own start dialogue could also have a few extra bits added on each of the first iterations
20141227 13:53:53< zookeeper> no reason, i'd imagine
20141227 13:56:01< vultraz> should it be kept that way?
20141227 13:56:06< irker100> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4e574084852c / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/ (03_A_Haunting_in_Winter.cfg 10_Alone_at_Last.cfg): DiD: combine some variable clearing http://git.io/_ovJAw
20141227 13:56:30< zookeeper> well i don't think it hurts?
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20141227 14:34:42< zookeeper> shadowm, for what it's worth, i have no problem with your release schedule.
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20141227 15:11:56< freem> Hello. I have took a quick look on the code (because I think wesnoth could be faster on my very old computer), and I would like to know what is prefered between low memory usage and fast processing?
20141227 15:13:04< freem> This is because I have the feeling (not confirmed, for now, still reading the source) that there are lot of vectors, with really few reserve and that it might be sometimes interesting to use linked lists instead of few
20141227 15:13:09< zookeeper> i'd imagine there's no general guideline but rather it'd depend on the situation...
20141227 15:13:25< freem> but before annoying people with code, I would like to know the direction.
20141227 15:16:07< freem> I see. Is there is any page listing hardware requirements? If low memory computer (less than 512Mb) are supported then I guess using as few memory as possible is a need (and then reserves should be accurate)
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20141227 15:19:42< zookeeper> i don't really recall there being a formal list of requirements
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20141227 15:22:30< freem> ok. I will check if there is any related thread on forum (maybe people spoke about running wesnoth on a rPI?).
20141227 15:34:36< zookeeper> so what kind of specs does this very old computer have?
20141227 15:36:32< freem> The one I'm using(my main one have some hardware problems) is a 1.2Gb of memory, with a 32bits monocore processor (intel arch)
20141227 15:37:30< freem> oh, and it's a portable computer, I think it can go to 1.6GHz, but it's currently at 800MHz only (powerondemand seems to affect /proc/cpuinfo)
20141227 15:37:56< zookeeper> 1.2Gb? well that's an odd amount
20141227 15:37:59< freem> it can run wesnoth, but there are things which makes wesnoth really slow, like filtering
20141227 15:38:32< freem> that's what free -h gives me, but yes, it's strange. I guess it's 1.25 in reality.
20141227 15:38:59< freem> without the human readable flag, it's 1293756
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20141227 15:40:22< freem> and I've noticed those slow downs even on my main computer, with the filtering (which is a 64bits dual core 3GHz, with 4Gb or ram. Much better, but out of order for now).
20141227 15:40:39< freem> so I'm trying to figure what could be the cause.
20141227 15:41:23< zookeeper> right. and by filtering you mean... the filtering when zooming in/out? the blurred background of dialogs?
20141227 15:42:05< freem> no, in the multi lobby, when you filter the games.
20141227 15:42:10< zookeeper> oh. right.
20141227 15:42:27< freem> sorry, I was not accurate from the start :)
20141227 15:42:54< zookeeper> it's weird if something like that is particularly slow, not that i'm exactly surprised
20141227 15:43:23< freem> it's not related to graphics, and it should probably not be that slow. But just whinning won't fix, so I'm taking a look at the code.
20141227 15:44:14< freem> plus, I've played wesnoth for ages, so contributing even a small patch to improve things would be quite normal ;)
20141227 15:45:10< zookeeper> i have no idea how the filtering works there, so maybe it could be done much better
20141227 15:45:50< zookeeper> but at least i noticed one bug in it already...
20141227 15:47:04< freem> as I. But from what I've seen, the lobby has lot of calls to push_back, with no reserve. This imply reallocations and copies, which is extremely slow.
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20141227 15:48:10< freem> I'm cloning for now, because I won't try to fix the stable version I've compiled, I try to call reserve before some pushes with a git-based version to see if it reduces the slow down.
20141227 15:48:23< freem> I should really learn to use valgrind btw...
20141227 15:55:41< vultraz> freem: it's always good to get a program performing better, but we cannot indefinitely support machines with low memory
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20141227 15:56:23< vultraz> Though I wonder what kind of computer you have that only has 1.2 GB of ram O_O
20141227 15:56:38< vultraz> sounds like something a decade old, at least
20141227 15:56:45< freem> a portable computer, that I saved from destruction :)
20141227 15:57:14< freem> it run correctly enough, honestly, and I could boost it's RAM I guess
20141227 15:57:54< freem> now, I have an older desktop that I only keep to get back data from PATA  disks and other SCSI stuff. Just in case.
20141227 15:58:23< zookeeper> hey, 1.2GB is plenty, really :P
20141227 15:58:44< freem> Anyway, the portable computer with 1.2G is only a fallback for when my main would die... like few weeks ago.
20141227 15:58:44< zookeeper> wesnoth ran just fine on 512MB sometime back in the day
20141227 15:58:59< freem> yes, and it still runs fine with 1.2G
20141227 15:59:23< freem> now, you could imagine wesnoth running on rPI, which only have, IIRC, 512Mb
20141227 16:00:21< vultraz> There's as for slowdown on your dual 3GhZ rig, well, I dunno.
20141227 16:00:24< freem> oh... did I mention I do not run with windows, or gnome or kde? Otherwise I doubt I could run anything hehe
20141227 16:00:27< vultraz> As*
20141227 16:00:50< vultraz> Wesnoth allocates basically everything to the CPU
20141227 16:01:43< freem> From what I've seen of the source code, there might be a lot of useless copies of vectors, due to lot of push_back without reserve
20141227 16:02:13 * vultraz really has no idea
20141227 16:02:20< freem> so, if RAM is not a problem, I think calling reserve *might* avoid lot of copies
20141227 16:02:38< vultraz> if you'd like to make a patch, sure
20141227 16:02:40< freem> that's why I asked this
20141227 16:02:57< freem> I will. I'm cloning the git right now. It just takes ages.
20141227 16:03:26< freem> Not sure it will improve things, anyway.
20141227 16:04:03< freem> I do not remember having seen any FPS counter
20141227 16:05:01< freem> this would be a nice feature, but I doubt I could do it (I do not know how wesnoth' internals works)
20141227 16:06:51< vultraz> type ":fps"
20141227 16:06:55< vultraz> ingame
20141227 16:07:09< freem> only ingame? No way to have it on menus?
20141227 16:07:32< vultraz> no, the console is only available ingame
20141227 16:07:43< freem> Because I've better perfs in game than in the lobby ;)
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20141227 19:42:29< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/cbeck88/wesnoth/builds/45232402
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20141227 19:46:03< c74d> vultraz: I only recently moved off a computer with 1 GiB of RAM.
20141227 19:49:33< c74d> (It was from 2007-Jun, not a decade old.)
20141227 19:51:34< zookeeper> i was on <1gb in... 2010, i believe
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20141227 20:51:15< shadowm> 06:54:24 #wesnoth-dev: <zookeeper> shadowm, you'll run pot-update right before release but not sooner, right?
20141227 20:51:23< shadowm> zookeeper: One week before tagging.
20141227 20:51:47< shadowm> Otherwise there's really no way translators could even attempt to catch up before the release, don't you think?
20141227 20:52:35< shadowm> shikadibot: seen thunderstruck
20141227 20:52:35< shikadibot> shadowm: The person with the nick thunderstruck last spoke 5d 11h ago.  4d 22h ago they left with the message: Remote host closed the connection
20141227 20:56:02< zookeeper> shadowm, oh, yeah, duh, silly me.
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20141227 21:12:53< shadowm> gfgtdf: I don't see changelog entries in PR #350
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20141227 21:13:12< travis-ci> cbeck88/wesnoth#111 (remove_bfs_option_ii - bfbe268 : Chris Beck): The build failed.
20141227 21:13:12< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/cbeck88/wesnoth/builds/45239912
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20141227 21:13:18< gfgtdf> shadowm: changelog entries always create meging conflicts :s
20141227 21:13:46< shadowm> I'm used to that.
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20141227 21:15:04< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#404 (mp_1_12_fixes - 47a3f8b : ln-zookeeper): The build passed.
20141227 21:15:04< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/45239354
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20141227 21:16:12< shadowm> The alternative is of course to not forget to add them right away after merging.
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20141227 21:26:42< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/45239930
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20141227 21:28:10< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#406 (mp_1_12_fixes - 9c6b5df : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20141227 21:28:10< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/45240117
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20141227 21:28:55< gfgtdf> has soneone here currently checked out 1.12 and can test https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/350 ?
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20141227 21:30:38< irker731> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 4e4d757fdef7 / src/gui/dialogs/game_cache_options.cpp: gui2/tgame_cache_options: Set busy mouse cursor during cleaning/purging http://git.io/eRS0bw
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20141227 21:48:06< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/cbeck88/wesnoth/builds/45240309
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20141227 23:43:56< Necrosporus> Does 'back to turn N'  function works exactly same way as reloading a savefile?
20141227 23:47:38< Necrosporus> Also what is the difference between loading game through local multiplayer load or usual load?
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