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20141204 00:41:27< UbUntUToUchLover> Anybody know about Ubuntu Touch?
20141204 00:41:39< celticminstrel> Aw, no-one answered my question.
20141204 00:41:59 * celticminstrel doesn't really know what you're trying to ask, either.
20141204 00:43:56< UbUntUToUchLover> I'm here about Ubuntu Touch's ovation image developed by someone who claims to be "wesnoth".
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20141204 00:45:47< celticminstrel> ...oh that.
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20141204 00:47:27< UbUntUToUchLover> Here's a link about what I'm talking about: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/ovation
20141204 00:47:38< celticminstrel> I saw when you were here last time.
20141204 00:48:13< celticminstrel> I have no more idea than zoo keeper.
20141204 00:48:36< UbUntUToUchLover> Oh, okay. Just curious.
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20141204 01:05:19< UbUntUToUchLover> Need more links on the ovation image? I know a Russian site where "wesnoth" talks about it.
20141204 01:15:29< happygrue> UbUntUToUchLover: do you have an account to log in to see his email information?  https://launchpad.net/~battle-wesnoth
20141204 01:16:38< happygrue> his IRC contact directs here, but I don't recall seeing anythin in our forums or development email about it, so I would guess the guy doesn't have anything to do with Wesnoth development (or they would have posted something about it in one of those places).
20141204 01:17:46< UbUntUToUchLover> Eh, I don't have a proper e-mail account set up, yet. I really don't want to send a message to him via something like Mail.com, cuz' of all the ads on the server.
20141204 01:18:43< UbUntUToUchLover> Yes, I know what you mean. He directs here, but obviously doesn't really chat here.
20141204 01:19:20< UbUntUToUchLover> Perhaps his IRC channel is not on freenode?
20141204 01:20:01< happygrue> it does mention freenode
20141204 01:20:52< UbUntUToUchLover> True, but what if it's something else? Mmm... Quakenet?
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20141204 01:22:19 * celticminstrel doesn't think this likely.
20141204 01:22:31< happygrue> but maybe?  It's possible he's just doing some proof of concept before contacting developers or something, but AFAIK there isn't a current developer working on this.
20141204 01:24:46< celticminstrel> What's "this"?
20141204 01:25:02< celticminstrel> A build of Wesnoth?
20141204 01:26:06< happygrue> whatever https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/ovation is
20141204 01:26:28< celticminstrel> I can't really tell from that page.
20141204 01:26:31< shadowm> It's not ours.
20141204 01:27:58 * celticminstrel wonders if shadowm knows about the :throw command question.
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20141204 01:28:15< celticminstrel> Or happygrue.
20141204 01:29:52< happygrue> I do not.
20141204 01:32:39< shadowm> Click on the unit, `:lua { local u = wesnoth.get_displayed_unit(); wesnoth.fire_event("event name here", u.x, u.y) }`
20141204 01:33:27< shadowm> Not tested, I just had a quick glance at the documentation on the wiki right now and worked with what I saw.
20141204 01:33:28< celticminstrel> I guess that's a "no" to the actual question, then.
20141204 01:33:37< celticminstrel> Or a "dunno"?
20141204 01:33:54< shadowm> It's a "I don't know, here is an alternative that's likely to help in case the answer is 'no'".
20141204 01:33:59 * celticminstrel nods.
20141204 01:34:02< celticminstrel> Okay.
20141204 01:42:05< UbUntUToUchLover> Forgive me, but it looks like I'm not getting anywhere about this topic. If anybody knows anything about ovation, please let me know. I only came here for that - I don't even play Battle for Wesnoth! Sorry 'bout that.
20141204 01:43:00< celticminstrel> I have no idea what ovation even is.
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20141204 04:27:10< celticminstrel> For some reason, some of my overlays appear in the recall list while others don't.
20141204 04:27:36< celticminstrel> (Though they all appear on the unit preview to the left.)
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20141204 04:46:36< celticminstrel> Ahhh... silly me, I simply forgot to include the needed event in that one particular scenario. :/
20141204 04:48:06< celticminstrel> (That's unrelated to the overlays thing.)
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20141204 20:01:00< marioxcc1> Hello. Is there an official Wesnoth source code tarball compressed with XZ or LZIP?.
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20141204 20:03:48< reactormonk> marioxcc1, try  git clone -b 1.12 --depth 1 --single-branch --no-hardlinks git://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth.git wesnoth-1.12-single-branch-test
20141204 20:04:26< Rhonda> reactormonk: git does compress xz or lzip?
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20141204 20:04:42< reactormonk> Rhonda, I have no idea
20141204 20:04:50< Necrosporus> marioxcc1, seems there's only bz2 one
20141204 20:04:50< reactormonk> marioxcc1, on another note, https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/archive/1.12.zip will probably work
20141204 20:05:00< Necrosporus> it's zip
20141204 20:05:00< marioxcc1> Right, that's the issue, if it doesn't, then that command has nothing to do with my question -> Rhonda: reactormonk: git does compress xz or lzip?
20141204 20:05:16< marioxcc1> reactormonk: Zip is worser than Bzip2, compression wise.
20141204 20:05:35< marioxcc1> I'm looking for something that is _more_ compressed than what bzip2 offers.
20141204 20:05:49< Rhonda> reactormonk: So why the response then?  :)
20141204 20:06:05< reactormonk> marioxcc1, slow internet connection?
20141204 20:06:16< Necrosporus> marioxcc1, I find it weird myself too, but I do not think xz would have reduced download time sacrificially because most of wesnoth data is uncompressable png images
20141204 20:06:31< Rhonda> marioxcc1: I'm not so certain you would save a lot of space with it, to be honest.
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20141204 20:07:35< marioxcc1> reactormonk, Necrosporus, Rhonda: It's not a big difference, but it still makes a difference. Both XZ and Lzip also uncompress faster than Bzip2 in my experience. Thanks for your help.
20141204 20:07:55< Rhonda> If it's not a big difference, how does it make a difference?  :)
20141204 20:08:00< reactormonk> marioxcc1, git uses zlib by default.
20141204 20:08:05< Necrosporus> marioxcc1, you could leave a suggestion in the forum or bugtracker
20141204 20:08:15< Rhonda> Let me check by locally trying to recompress. :)
20141204 20:09:02< marioxcc1> reactormonk: Yes, which compress worser than bzip2. Necrosporus: Right, maybe I will. Thanks.
20141204 20:12:57< Rhonda> Now that takes a lot of time …
20141204 20:13:27< Necrosporus> xz compresses slower but decompresses faster than bzip2
20141204 20:13:38< Rhonda> And CPU is 100% xz, only minor bzcat.  (but yes, uncompressing obviously needs less power than compressing)
20141204 20:14:30< marioxcc1> Rhonda: Well, with Bzip2 I think it takes about the same time compressing that uncompressing, though I haven't measured it at all. XZ isn't like gzip and bzip where you can use -9 and it is still fast. Read the man page.
20141204 20:14:57< Rhonda> I just used the default settings.
20141204 20:15:50< Rhonda> 368M vs. 348M
20141204 20:16:22< marioxcc1> Rhonda: if you want to do a fair comparison, you must for instance test all xz settings, then for each of them and each of {memory, compression ratio, cpu time} compare with bzip2.
20141204 20:17:01< Necrosporus> Anyway I second the suggestion to add also xz tarball
20141204 20:17:15< Necrosporus> or even replace bzip2 one completely
20141204 20:18:25< Necrosporus> wesnoth 1.12 already requires a lot of modern software dependences, so if only xz would be available it is not going to be a big problem
20141204 20:19:10< marioxcc1> Necrosporus: I think that Lzip is better in its design principles <http://lzip.nongnu.org/>. XZ is more popular, but that's not a mistake of Lzip.
20141204 20:19:33< marioxcc1> Also, Lzip already has support for parallel compression and file recovery.
20141204 20:19:54< marioxcc1> The compression ratio with comparable settings is about the same, I think.
20141204 20:20:06< marioxcc1> (Though the presets are very different).
20141204 20:20:19< Necrosporus> marioxcc1, I would rather prefer xz because it's already preinstalled in my system
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20141204 20:20:46< reactormonk> marioxcc1, what's your use case that you worry so much about compression?
20141204 20:21:17< Necrosporus> So if you genuinely sure lzip is better and you want to make more people use it, then I propose you to make it default compression format for software packages in distributions
20141204 20:21:18< marioxcc1> reactormonk: nothing special. I just want to save bandwith and decompression time if I can.
20141204 20:21:38< reactormonk> marioxcc1, bandwith so expensive?
20141204 20:22:14< marioxcc1> reactormonk: you asked what was my use case, I replied. I never mentioned the _price_ of bandwidth.
20141204 20:24:25< Necrosporus> marioxcc1, it's 342.8 MiB if you use xz -9 and 367.6 MiB for original bzip2
20141204 20:24:53< marioxcc1> Necrosporus: ok, thanks. Which XZ version did you use?.
20141204 20:24:54< Necrosporus> You only save 7% of download time
20141204 20:25:04< Necrosporus> pretty old one
20141204 20:27:01< marioxcc1> Ok.
20141204 20:30:07< Necrosporus> anyway I doubt the most recent version could make a difference
20141204 20:42:53< celticminstrel> Gasp! Conversation!
20141204 20:42:56 * celticminstrel scrolls up.
20141204 20:43:23< celticminstrel> Hm, nothing I can help with.
20141204 20:44:23< celticminstrel> I've never even heard of these compression formats.
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20141204 20:48:49< Rhonda> Necrosporus: Thing is, xz -9 does increase the decompress time too, so it's not a good option.
20141204 20:49:00< Rhonda> With the default of -6 it is 5.5% smaller.
20141204 20:49:33 * Rhonda currently compresses for lzip just for the difference. :)
20141204 20:49:55< Rhonda> Afterwards I'll do an uncompress to /dev/null and see what's time says to that.
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20141204 20:50:46< marioxcc1> Rhonda: lzip has been under development. I think that you should use the latest versions for a fair comparison.
20141204 20:50:56< marioxcc1> And also compare CPU time and memory usage.
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20141204 20:51:25< Rhonda> time gives cpu usage indeed, not so much memory usage though.
20141204 20:51:27< marioxcc1> It's easy, but not trivial to do. You will need to write a script to run the tests and put the soruce file in a tmpfs If you're using GNU/Linux.
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20141204 20:51:56< Rhonda> "you will need".  You do the claims, I couldn't care less, just a bit curious.
20141204 20:52:07< Rhonda> So don't claim that *I* will need to write the script, please. :)
20141204 20:52:49< Rhonda> lzip compresses way faster than xz does, though.
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20141204 20:54:57< Rhonda> lzip compresses way faster than xz does, though.
20141204 20:55:01< Rhonda> meh :)
20141204 20:55:25< Necrosporus> Rhonda, what about resulting size?
20141204 20:55:35< Rhonda> It's still in the works.
20141204 20:56:11< Rhonda> 349M, only slightly bigger than xz.
20141204 20:57:42< Necrosporus> have you used default settings?
20141204 20:58:08< Necrosporus> I got 343M with xz
20141204 20:58:29< Rhonda> Yes, default ones.
20141204 20:58:40< Rhonda> Like said, xz -9 isn't of real help.
20141204 20:58:54< Necrosporus> can you also try max compression of lzip?
20141204 20:58:56< Rhonda> xz -e might be, but xz -9 has heavy impact on the decompressing, too.
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20141204 20:59:18< Rhonda> http://paste.debian.net/134953/
20141204 20:59:23< Rhonda> Necrosporus: You can do that if you want it.
20141204 21:00:29< Rhonda> So yes, xz seems to be a good improvement on the uncompress and compressed size, lzip might not be up to it, and also seems to be not that well known, is it?
20141204 21:00:43< Rhonda> uncompress time, obviously
20141204 21:01:55< Necrosporus> So lzip is worse in decompressing but compresses faster?
20141204 21:03:33< marioxcc1> Necrosporus: They both have several options. At a basic level, it's a 2 dimensional parmeter space. Comparing default options is meaingless.
20141204 21:06:09< Necrosporus> marioxcc1, it's not meaningless. in case of default options lzip both decompresses slower and demonstrates slightly lower compression ratio
20141204 21:07:00< Necrosporus> So it means you probably won't be able to find a combination of lzip options to get same compression ratio and faster decompression time
20141204 21:07:27< Necrosporus> Or if you can that means lzip default option are poorly choosen
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20141204 21:33:41< Rhonda> I don't consider it meaningless, otherwise they wouldn't be the default options.
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20141204 22:05:48< marioxcc> Hi. How can I run Wesnoth in place after having built it?.
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20141204 22:08:37< Necrosporus> marioxcc, ./wesnoth
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20141204 22:08:53< Necrosporus> but place the binary in the root directory of source tree
20141204 22:09:03< Necrosporus> or else you would have to use keys
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20141204 22:10:11< marioxcc> Necrosporus: I had to specify --data-dir=. as I used a separate build dir.
20141204 22:10:46< Necrosporus> marioxcc, you could copy the binary into source tree dir
20141204 22:10:50< Necrosporus> it's what I did
20141204 22:11:44< marioxcc> This worked just as well.
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