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20141212 00:43:41< Necrosporus> Are liches always evil?
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20141212 01:46:07< celticminstrel> Necrosporus: I would say "usually".
20141212 01:46:18< celticminstrel> Though that's in general and not Wesnoth-specific.
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20141212 02:09:48< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, would you like to became a lich?
20141212 02:10:08< celticminstrel> Uh, no.
20141212 02:10:12< Necrosporus> Why not?
20141212 02:10:42< Necrosporus> You would be able to summon ghouls, ghosts and other things
20141212 02:10:48< Necrosporus> Isn't that cool?
20141212 02:10:52< celticminstrel> Not really?
20141212 02:11:18< Necrosporus> Why?
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20141212 02:12:00< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, hello
20141212 02:12:17< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, what's better, lich or a necromancer?
20141212 02:12:33< celticminstrel> Necromancer is marginally better.
20141212 02:12:54< Necrosporus> because of plague staff?
20141212 02:13:14< celticminstrel> Oh, are we talking about game mechanics now?
20141212 02:13:40< celticminstrel> Because if we are, then I have no clue. I generally play as elves.
20141212 02:14:02< celticminstrel> But I'd say, of all the undead, I probably like the ghost best.
20141212 02:14:41< Necrosporus> what sort of ghost, ghost, shadow, wrath, spectre, nighgaunt?
20141212 02:14:55< celticminstrel> Not sure.
20141212 02:15:30< Necrosporus> I like Wrath sprite better, though current spectre is better than it used to be
20141212 02:16:06< celticminstrel> If we're talking about sprites, I think I like the level 1 ghost best, though I'd have to look at them all again to be quite sure.
20141212 02:17:01< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, what have you talked about when you said "Necromancer is marginally better"?
20141212 02:17:53< celticminstrel> Well, you were asking if I'd like to become a lich earlier.
20141212 02:18:05< celticminstrel> At least the necromancer is still alive.
20141212 02:18:25< celticminstrel> In more than just mind.
20141212 02:18:57< Necrosporus> But lich is immortal
20141212 02:19:06< celticminstrel> So?
20141212 02:19:15< Necrosporus> I wonder, why can't necromancer became a lich in Wesnoth
20141212 02:19:30< celticminstrel> They can! Just not in multiplayer games. :P
20141212 02:19:32< Necrosporus> Only dark sorcerer
20141212 02:19:42 * celticminstrel meant they can in campaigns where it's scripted.
20141212 02:19:49< Necrosporus> in addons anything could became anything
20141212 02:19:55< celticminstrel> True, true.
20141212 02:20:03< loonycyborg> If you want to become lich play DiD :P
20141212 02:20:09< Necrosporus> I have
20141212 02:20:15< celticminstrel> But you're right, it'd be logical for necromancer to lead to lich.
20141212 02:21:04< loonycyborg> Actually, DiD at least try to portray this in more or less neutral fashion, at the start..
20141212 02:21:07< Necrosporus> loonycyborg, it's my favorite official campaign
20141212 02:21:22< celticminstrel> DiD?
20141212 02:21:25< celticminstrel> Oh.
20141212 02:21:26< Necrosporus> Yes
20141212 02:21:29< celticminstrel> Descent into Darkness?
20141212 02:21:41< Necrosporus> affirmative
20141212 02:21:47< celticminstrel> I haven't played that one. Possibly because it's undead-centric.
20141212 02:22:02< Necrosporus> I guess it's why it's my favorite
20141212 02:22:29< Necrosporus> Though UtbS is not undead centred and it's one of favorites too
20141212 02:22:30< loonycyborg> did you play iftu and ats too?
20141212 02:22:35< loonycyborg> it has more of malin :P
20141212 02:22:51< Necrosporus> I know, but I haven't manage the second level
20141212 02:23:11< Necrosporus> Where you have citizen against loads of demons
20141212 02:23:53< loonycyborg> I remember it
20141212 02:24:01< loonycyborg> I saveloaded the crap out of it
20141212 02:24:06< Necrosporus> There is also Danse Macabre in addon server
20141212 02:24:19< loonycyborg> demons suffered humiliating defeat
20141212 02:24:32< Necrosporus> loonycyborg, I saveload almost ever scenario, but in this one it hardly helps
20141212 02:24:42< Necrosporus> Though I play on hard
20141212 02:25:06< Necrosporus> Because on hard there is more enemy units so you could get more XP
20141212 02:26:24< Necrosporus> I try to refrain from saveloading but it's hard to hold out when you lose a unit you fed xp for several scenarios
20141212 02:26:31< Necrosporus> Sometimes
20141212 02:27:23< Necrosporus> Anyway, when enemy has max level units, it's sometimes hard to not lose yours even if you saveload
20141212 02:27:37< Necrosporus> For example pre-last scenario in HttT
20141212 02:27:46< Necrosporus> Where there are lots of lancers
20141212 02:28:12< Necrosporus> They could kill a full-health high-level unit
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20141212 02:33:05< Necrosporus> Anyway, I get habit to saveload when I played did. I lost most of high-level units in mission where you prepare invade a mansion and then was unable to complete the next scenario
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20141212 21:02:55< Necrosporus> Do all undead campaigns have sad/bad ends?
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20141212 21:15:44< Ardonik> The one with Gwiti Ha'atel does.
20141212 21:15:57< Ardonik> Eastern Invasion doesn't.
20141212 21:28:41< Necrosporus> Danse Macabre does
20141212 21:28:50< Necrosporus> DiD does
20141212 21:29:32< Necrosporus> Secrets of Ancients does
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20141212 21:37:59< Necrosporus> Is there some list of undead campaigns?
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20141212 21:51:52< Ardonik> Ah, the Gwiti campaign is Descent into Darkness.
20141212 21:52:16< Ardonik> Necrosporus: And other than searching the addon server, I don't know of a definitive list.
20141212 21:52:25< Ardonik> Only DiD is in mainline.
20141212 21:55:49< shadowm> DiD is Malin Keshar's campaign, not Gwiti Ha'atel.
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20141212 22:26:37< Necrosporus> I can't remember Gwiti's campaign's end. Is it finished at all?
20141212 22:31:10< Ardonik> Necrosporus: It ends in an infinite loop, and eventually the raiders upgrade more than your forces, so they die one by one.
20141212 22:31:41< Ardonik> I never liked the ending--if there's going to be a final losing battle, let there be one!
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20141212 22:42:48< shadowm> Again, that's Malin Keshar's campaign, DiD.
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20141212 22:48:37< Necrosporus> Actually you could survive for indefinite time in the last scenario I guess
20141212 22:48:50< Necrosporus> Someone on forum said that
20141212 22:49:01< Necrosporus> And yes, you are talking about DiD, Ardonik 
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