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20150111 00:04:49< shadowm> mattsc: I'd suggest designating a macro whose existence we can check and include data/core/macros or that specific file if it's not defined.
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20150111 00:06:25< shadowm> And yes, data/core/macros is relatively expensive to read. 9,903 lines in 310,32 KiB.
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20150111 01:03:45< irker706> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master b846039ed008 / data/campaigns/tutorial/units/ (Fighter.cfg Fighteress.cfg): T: dropped ~SCALE IPFs from unit type portrait= keys http://git.io/ZmPcoQ
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20150111 02:25:22< irker706> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 59305a96c390 / src/gui/auxiliary/event/distributor.cpp: Fixed typo in an error message http://git.io/osKVbA
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20150111 02:32:15< mattsc> shadowm: Right. Apparently I’m too out of it with this flu to think of the obvious.  So, something like this [tested, it works]:  http://pastebin.com/DbvuMHyQ
20150111 02:36:12< shadowm> If that's your designated control macro, then yes.
20150111 02:42:08< vultraz> mattsc: I've been meaning to ask you if we can remove macros/ai_micro_ais.cfg
20150111 02:43:35< mattsc> shadowm: It is now.
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20150111 02:45:47< mattsc> vultraz: Fine by me.  They never were in a stable release and we’ve had those messages up for long enough that people using them during the 1.11 series should know by now.
20150111 02:49:38< vultraz> thanks
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20150111 02:52:19< irker706> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f1bca97fd063 / data/core/macros/ai_micro_ais.cfg: Removed the deprecated Micro AI engine macros http://git.io/aFcDEg
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20150111 14:35:18< gfgtdf> thunderstruck: you tested themp reload bug ?
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20150111 14:36:28< thunderstruck> gfgtdf, Nope. I was away for past couple of days and didn't have access to my laptop. I'll probably do it later today or tomorrow.
20150111 14:36:46< gfgtdf> thunderstruck: ok
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20150111 16:47:40< irker318> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master f57485a8c0ec / data/ai/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Add conditional inclusion of AI macros to AI cfgs in data/ai http://git.io/v3LlqQ
20150111 16:49:02< irker318> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 183e7a1ece8f / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/BIE-1Q
20150111 16:49:18< shadowm> MaraJade: So I gather there's no single file in data/ai that's included always for every command line configuration set?
20150111 16:49:26< shadowm> Er. Sorry, that was for mattsc.
20150111 16:49:58< Molt> hey ya'll
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20150111 16:50:45< mattsc> shadowm: No, that’s not how it is done at least.
20150111 16:51:11< mattsc> It’s probably possible, but one complication is that it is not always the same CA(s) that get replaced.
20150111 16:51:15< shadowm> Hm. :\ It seems really awkward to have to do the check for every single file.
20150111 16:51:39< shadowm> Mostly because some day someone will add another AI and not notice this.
20150111 16:51:49< Molt> i'm working on my first map ever. I've read the WML pages about Music and stuff, but I still have questions about using custom music. Can anyone help me for a moment
20150111 16:51:49< mattsc> It’s also different macros that are needed for the different files.
20150111 16:52:08< shadowm> And why doesn't that mode include data/core, anyway?
20150111 16:52:23< shadowm> Or why does it preprocess data/ai in a separate instance?
20150111 16:52:35< mattsc> Because, and that’s only my guess, it was added as a quick an dirty hack at some point.
20150111 16:52:47< shadowm> I mean, it obviously has to read data/core.
20150111 16:53:10< shadowm> data/core/_main.cfg includes both macros/ and units.cfg, which in turn includes units/. You can't get away with skipping that.
20150111 16:53:31< mattsc> The whole MP CL code is mostly a duplicate of the non-CL version.  I think it could be cleaned up significantly, but I don’t have the C++ knowledge needed for that.
20150111 16:53:35< shadowm> So if data/ai/ doesn't see those macros it must mean it's preprocessed in a separate instance, which seems really bad.
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20150111 16:54:23< shadowm> Normally data/ includes both ai/ais/ and core/.
20150111 16:54:35< Molt> Sorry to bother: I'm working on my first map ever. Been reading the various WML pages - especially about Music and stuff - but I still have questions about using custom music in my multiplayer scenario. Can anyone help me for a moment?
20150111 16:55:13< zookeeper> probably
20150111 16:55:33< mattsc> Molt: I cannot (I don’t know about it), and people who … oh, there’s somebody who might.
20150111 16:55:58< mattsc> Molt: it’s always best to just ask your question and then wait.  People aren’t always around, even when they are logged in.
20150111 16:55:59< vultraz> ai/ais/ is included after core, so it should read the latter
20150111 16:56:03< vultraz> hm
20150111 16:56:33< shadowm> Yes, so my theory is that this mode somehow reads it in a separate instance.
20150111 16:56:52< shadowm> Even though the same WML must already exist in memory as part of the big game config tree.
20150111 16:56:59< mattsc> shadowm: the CL code is mostly separate from the “normal” mode.
20150111 16:57:26< shadowm> It *has* to know the latter, otherwise you wouldn't be able to have units on the map or anything really.
20150111 16:57:53< mattsc> I once tried to look into this and added a few things, but I think it would be really good if it could be cleaned up.  But as I said, I don’t have the knowledge to do that (at least not in the amount of time I have available at the moment).
20150111 16:58:21< shadowm> "--ai-config arg     selects a configuration file to load for this side. [...]"
20150111 16:58:36< shadowm> "file"
20150111 16:58:51< shadowm> That's probably the problem. We shouldn't treat these things as files.
20150111 16:59:36< mattsc> shadowm: for the time being, should I backport this to 1.12 or wait?  (Either way, I need to be off again right now.)
20150111 17:00:05< mattsc> Yes ‘arg’ is a file for this argument.
20150111 17:00:05< shadowm> Because once WML is parsed into config, we lose track of files and directories.
20150111 17:00:32< shadowm> So of course we can't reuse the parsed WML (from data/) if we need to load a specific "file", even if we already read it.
20150111 17:01:00< shadowm> So, [ai]s have ids.
20150111 17:01:10< mattsc> [I’ll be afk for a while, will stay logged in though.  Sorry.]
20150111 17:01:16< shadowm> Couldn't we use that instead of referring to files directly?
20150111 17:02:10< shadowm> mattsc: I've not decided yet whether to backport the prerequisite commit that's my own.
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20150111 17:03:31< vultraz> huh
20150111 17:03:39< vultraz> {core/terrain-graphics.cfg} is included twice
20150111 17:04:35< shadowm> No.
20150111 17:04:46< shadowm> If it were the case then I'd have been flooded with warnings.
20150111 17:04:55< vultraz> oh nvm, it's the cfg
20150111 17:05:03< vultraz> other case is the folder
20150111 17:05:29 * vultraz notes
20150111 17:06:43< gfgtdf> maybe we should put includeguards in our config files :p, or even implement something like #pregma once.
20150111 17:07:14< shadowm> The latter might actually be feasible.
20150111 17:08:35 * vultraz googles pregma, gets an address in Buenos Aires
20150111 17:08:38< shadowm> We already keep a dictionary of included paths around for the purpose of implementing the path encoding optimization in the preprocessor, so it'd just be a matter of checking for the existence of an entry and aborting if it's found.
20150111 17:08:43< shadowm> He means pragma.
20150111 17:09:17 * vultraz gets the Pacific Rim Application and Grid Middleware Assembly
20150111 17:09:27< vultraz> ah, here
20150111 17:09:45< shadowm> The thing is that this is actually kind of a border case, and I'm not sure if there's a purpose to requesting this on specific files that nobody with a brain would explicitly include themselves in WML.
20150111 17:10:13< shadowm> It'd just serve as an ugly hack to prevent inefficiencies resulting from bad design on the engine side.
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20150111 17:12:24< shadowm> I could add an unconditional warning for reincluding files but as it turns out people use this for legitimate purposes. :\
20150111 17:12:51< shadowm> Just like redefining macros.
20150111 17:14:52< gfgtdf> shadowm: but it could for example happen that there is a resources addon and 2 mp modifications use that addon as {~add-ons/cool_resources/macros} and when someone wants to play with these 2 modifications enables he the files are included twice.
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20150111 17:17:34< shadowm> Hm, true. Though the author could specify a protocol for this if they wanted, for example have their resources add-on define RESOURCES_LOADED if read and require people to explicitly include their designated source file if RESOURCES_LOADED isn't yet defined. But yeah, it's cumbersome.
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20150111 18:19:30< mattsc> shadowm: yes, [ai] tags include ids, but IIRC nothing is done with them. They aren’t even retained in the AI configurations once those have been read.
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20150111 21:01:55< lipkab> zookeeper: Up for a second game?
20150111 21:08:23< zookeeper> lipkab, if i knew it was going to be a really fast one, then yeah... but it might not be and i don't want to have to leave
20150111 21:09:22< lipkab> zookeeper: Ok, some other time then.
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