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20150119 03:04:18< ancestral> Question with [hotkey]: how can I specify the return key?
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20150119 03:15:23< ancestral> Additionally, can I map a command to multiple hot keys?
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20150119 03:26:14< vultraz> ancestral: no idea
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20150119 03:58:22< ancestral> vultraz: Okay, so you can bind multiple keys to the same command
20150119 03:58:31< ancestral> Still unsure how to bind the return key
20150119 03:58:57< ancestral> I’ve tried “ “ (with a LF between the quotes) and \n and “\n”
20150119 03:59:08< ancestral> (straight quotes here, not curlies)
20150119 04:00:11< nurupo> ""
20150119 04:04:18< ancestral> I have an idea that may be extremely obvious
20150119 04:05:05< ancestral> Annnnnnnnnd
20150119 04:05:13< ancestral> The answer is to use “return”
20150119 04:08:36< vultraz> xD
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20150119 04:39:46< irker258> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 59253a139402 / src/help/help_text_area.cpp: help browser: Don't underline links http://git.io/kx3Ohg
20150119 04:48:33< irker258> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8574da7c85ce / data/core/help.cfg: Removed a duplicate header http://git.io/EnVmIA
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20150119 05:00:16< vultraz> hm, actually, that did server a purpose...I wonder if I can hide it instead? *looks into*
20150119 05:04:42< vultraz> damn, you can't hide labels here. *makes note to deal with this later*
20150119 05:08:20< irker258> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 951951cba10d / data/core/help.cfg: Revert "Removed a duplicate header" http://git.io/Hj48IA
20150119 05:08:23< irker258> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 7a4b4fda82fd / data/core/editor/help.cfg: Added extra newline before editor toplevel topic list for consistency http://git.io/zKtP0A
20150119 05:12:48 * vultraz is a big fan of the •
20150119 05:16:16< ancestral> Bullets?
20150119 05:16:17< ancestral> •••
20150119 05:19:42< ancestral> vultraz: When writing out a hot key shortcut
20150119 05:20:01< ancestral> Do you prefer Ctrl-X or Ctrl+X?
20150119 05:20:09< ancestral> (Or something different than - and +)
20150119 05:21:51< nurupo> ^X
20150119 05:22:48< ancestral> nurupo: How about Shift R?
20150119 05:23:12< ancestral> I want to emphasize the shift key needs to be pressed
20150119 05:23:24< ancestral> Moreso than just ‘R’ which people might just press ‘r’ on the keyboard
20150119 05:23:44< ancestral> nurupo: Also, how about alt r?
20150119 05:24:19< ancestral> vultraz: Ctrl•X :-P
20150119 05:30:17< vultraz> :P
20150119 05:30:22< vultraz> +
20150119 05:33:34< ancestral> Thanks
20150119 05:38:34< vultraz> jfc, this help text markup is so PRIMITIVE 
20150119 05:41:12< vultraz> I guess since it's GUI1
20150119 05:41:14< vultraz> ugh
20150119 05:41:19< vultraz> curse gui1
20150119 05:41:38< vultraz> actually, not even gui1
20150119 05:41:45< vultraz> gui0
20150119 05:44:50< ancestral> gui-1
20150119 05:47:05< vultraz> the help browser has it's own format parser D:
20150119 05:47:09< vultraz> its*
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20150119 05:54:02 * vultraz curses TTF_STYLE
20150119 05:59:22< vultraz> all hail pango
20150119 06:06:06< irker258> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master fd63f49fe4b6 / data/core/editor/help.cfg: Some cleanup and formatting to the editor Overview topic. More TODO http://git.io/mD-sqA
20150119 06:27:15< ancestral> Anyone have a middle-button mouse?
20150119 06:28:26< ancestral> Supposedly a middle click focus the screen on the pointer location, but I don’t see it defined in hotkeys.cfg. Is this hardcoded, or simply missing?
20150119 06:32:13< shadowm> þe former.
20150119 06:32:52< ancestral> I don’t have a three-button mouse, but I’d like to center the screen. Sucks.
20150119 06:33:21< vultraz> my scroll wheel can click but it does nothing
20150119 06:35:50< ancestral> So is it a bug?
20150119 06:36:07< shadowm> No, it just doesn't work the way you said.
20150119 06:36:34< ancestral> It centers on the selected hex?
20150119 06:36:37< shadowm> It works by dragging the screen around while holding the button pressed down.
20150119 06:36:54< shadowm> It doesn't "center" on anything.
20150119 06:37:01< ancestral> So, it pans across the map
20150119 06:38:02< shadowm> It used to automatically scroll towards the clicked location but someone decided this wasn't the best way to do it so that behavior changed in 1.11.something.
20150119 06:39:02< vultraz> oh, so it does work
20150119 06:39:54< ancestral> So it’s like in the old Windows days where if Num Lock was off (or was it on?) where the number keys scrolled/panned the screen
20150119 06:40:21< ancestral> And our keypads would have those lovely arrows showing which way the screen would go (as if it wasn’t obvious)
20150119 06:40:27< shadowm> They still do.
20150119 06:42:05< ancestral> Ahhh silly Windows keyboards
20150119 06:42:39< shadowm> Silly minimalism-obsessed Apple designers.
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20150119 06:46:36< ancestral> It’s just a relic of the days when people didn’t own pointing devices for their computers.
20150119 06:56:00< vultraz> ancient, then
20150119 06:59:45< ancestral> Anyone ever play that mouse game that came with Windows 3.11?
20150119 07:00:05< ancestral> That used those Num Pad arrow keys
20150119 07:10:04< shadowm> I didn't know Windows 3.11 ever shipped with any games other than the big three.
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20150119 07:25:58< ancestral> Aha
20150119 07:26:12< ancestral> shadowm: Rodent’s Revenge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodent's_Revenge
20150119 07:26:24< shadowm> That's from a separate pack, isn't it?
20150119 07:26:32< shadowm> Windows Entertainment Pack or whatever it was called.
20150119 07:26:34< ancestral> Apparently it is
20150119 07:26:53< ancestral> Along with Minesweeper, Tetris, Golf, etc.
20150119 07:27:10< ancestral> Oh that’s from Pack 1. This was in Pack 2. Apparently.
20150119 07:27:13< shadowm> Minesweeper?
20150119 07:27:26< ancestral> Maybe Pack 1 shipped with most of the computers back then?
20150119 07:27:47< ancestral> (My best friend growing up had a 386 with Windows 3.11. Meanwhile, I had the Mac SE.)
20150119 07:28:37< ancestral> Hah, they released a copy for the Game Boy Color. Go figure.
20150119 07:28:47< shadowm> Wikipedia says (as I suspected) that Minesweeper was shipped as part of Windows 3.1 and later.
20150119 07:29:15< shadowm> By the "big three" I meant Solitaire, Hearts, and Minesweeper.
20150119 07:29:58< ancestral> Right
20150119 07:30:38< shadowm> I suppose if you got an OEM-built machine it might have shipped with more software such as the Entertainment Pack.
20150119 07:33:04< nurupo> so, i assume wesnoth is applying for gsoc this year too? :)
20150119 07:33:52< nurupo> application perios starts in less than a month, better got those ideas written down
20150119 07:33:57< nurupo> *period
20150119 07:33:59< shadowm> Nobody has said anything about it and there are hardly any developers left to serve as mentors so I am guessing not.
20150119 07:34:16< nurupo> well, that's a sad thing to hear
20150119 07:34:34< shadowm> I don't know if the fresh blood feels confident enough in their skills to mentor students for 4 months or whatever.
20150119 07:35:05< shadowm> Also this isn't my field in the first place so I may be wrong, but a cursory glance at the mailing list should at least confirm the first part.
20150119 07:42:54< shadowm> Also, ancestral, you do not need to use Title Case for your bug reports' subjects.
20150119 07:43:16< shadowm> This isn't some kind of shoddy tabloid.
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20150119 07:50:00< ancestral> shadowm: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Typography_Style_Guide#Title_Case
20150119 07:50:36< ancestral> Not for bug reports, then?
20150119 07:50:57< ancestral> BTW there’s not even a way to edit a bug report title, is there?
20150119 07:51:05< shadowm> People are very liberal with their bug report subjects, and with reason since half of them don't speak English as their first language.
20150119 07:51:15< shadowm> Yes, there is but it's noisy if there are people CC'ed to it.
20150119 07:52:11< ancestral> In my hastiness, I misspelled “console” as “consome”
20150119 07:52:14 * shadowm loves it when people link him to crap he already knows and has been actively worked on for several years.
20150119 07:52:23< shadowm> *working
20150119 07:52:59< ancestral> Hey, I pushed proper quotes and dashes, and let Espreon run with it
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20150119 08:27:13< shadowm> loonycyborg: What do you think of https://gna.org/bugs/?23083 ? (It certainly doesn't happen on Linux, no idea about OS X.)
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20150119 11:47:00< aquileia> Ivanovic: Is it ok to duplicate the translatable map from Liberty for TB on 1.12 or will that break the string freeze?
20150119 11:49:47< Necrosporus> What's TB?
20150119 11:50:25< Necrosporus> aquileia, I guess they might belong to different textdomains
20150119 11:50:34< Necrosporus> in this case it is going to create new strings
20150119 11:50:37< aquileia> Two Brothers
20150119 11:51:15< Necrosporus> Though maps are rendered though other means than text
20150119 11:51:48< aquileia> They don't introduce translatable strings in the typical way - they need an overlay with localized location names
20150119 11:53:00< aquileia> Currently, only the german, polish and gaelic overlays were done, so I copied these over as well
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20150119 11:54:34< vultraz> oh hey aquileia 
20150119 11:54:42< aquileia> hi vultraz
20150119 11:54:56< vultraz> are you testing your PRs
20150119 11:56:57< aquileia> The one on master was tested before proposing, for the 1.12 one I copied over the LoW folder to my 1.13 build and verified it works there - I didn't introduce anything that could be incompatible with 1.12, so this should suffice
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20150119 11:57:13< vultraz> ok, do you want me to merge?
20150119 11:57:16< zookeeper> i'd imagine that one could copy the localizations with the map itself
20150119 11:57:37< aquileia> I'm just asking Ivanovic whether the 1.12 one is allowed from the viewpoint of it being in stringfreeze
20150119 11:57:41< zookeeper> (as long as one renames the files accordingly)
20150119 11:57:53< aquileia> zookeeper: I did
20150119 11:58:01< zookeeper> oh, ok
20150119 11:58:41< aquileia> So you think it's ok, then?
20150119 12:03:40< aquileia> The only possible issue would be if someone localizes the Liberty map on 1.12.0 - then someone else had to remember to copy it over to TB. But IMHO that's a lot better than keeping the old map
20150119 12:05:06< aquileia> And how are the chances that that'd happen right now, considering there are only three localizations (one of them by me) to this date?
20150119 12:07:13< aquileia> vultraz: I've got to leave for a while - PR 368 can be merged, and 369 as soon as either zookeeper or Ivanovic give the green light
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20150119 12:13:06< irker818> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master fd99e0f0c5c6 / / (13 files in 7 dirs): Port TB tracks to the Liberty bigmap http://git.io/b4Sx2g
20150119 12:13:06< irker818> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c76af883407e / / (13 files in 7 dirs): Merge pull request #368 from aquileia/bigmap_macro http://git.io/ZeCgqA
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20150119 12:47:10< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5580 (master - c76af88 : Charles Dang): The build was broken.
20150119 12:47:10< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/47512003
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20150119 13:18:14< loonycyborg> shadowm: I didn't try uploading addons on windows
20150119 13:20:12< loonycyborg> my test addon setup is on linux
20150119 13:20:28< loonycyborg> I didn't expect there will be any difference on win :P
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20150119 14:04:18< vultraz> loonycyborg: well, it happened for me
20150119 14:04:29< vultraz> would be nice if someone else could confirm if it happens or not
20150119 14:24:00< Necrosporus> what do you want to test, vultraz 
20150119 14:28:12< loonycyborg> upload a large addon on windows
20150119 14:28:17< loonycyborg> see if progress bar works
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20150119 14:54:15< vultraz> Necrosporus: you are on windows?
20150119 14:54:31< Necrosporus> nope
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20150119 14:55:17< vultraz> damn
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20150119 16:09:34< nurupo> is there a pre-built binary? i could test, if it's quick (under 5 minutes)
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20150119 16:13:15< Necrosporus> nurupo, there is prebuilt binary for 1.12.0 at least
20150119 16:13:29< Necrosporus> vultraz, which version you wanted to test on windows?
20150119 16:13:41< vultraz> master
20150119 16:18:17< vultraz> and 1.12 i guess since it happens there too
20150119 16:21:32< Necrosporus> nurupo, then 1.12.0 binaries could be found on main page http://wesnoth.org
20150119 16:22:42< zookeeper> ...
20150119 16:23:16< zookeeper> i hope that in a few years it'll be revealed that this was a long-term trolling operation all along
20150119 16:23:32< nurupo> ?
20150119 16:24:07< nurupo> getting 1.12.0
20150119 16:24:11< zookeeper> not you
20150119 16:24:20< Necrosporus> me?
20150119 16:24:29< Necrosporus> I didn't do anything bad, did I
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20150119 16:24:42< nurupo> what exactly should i do and what should i expect?
20150119 16:25:10< Necrosporus> nurupo, I guess. make an addon with big files and try to upload it?
20150119 16:26:06< Necrosporus> for that you have to fill _server.pbl
20150119 16:26:32< Necrosporus> expect a progress bar
20150119 16:26:51< nurupo> eh, how do i make an addon
20150119 16:27:04< nurupo> i'm not that much familiar with wesnoth :)
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20150119 16:37:35< vultraz> nurupo: make a filter in your userdata/data/addons folder, stick something big in it, and add a file named _server.pbl following this basic http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PblWML format
20150119 16:41:39< Ravana_> with 1.12.0 windows I remember that progress bar didn't work
20150119 16:44:15< vultraz> Ravana_: when uploading an addon?
20150119 16:44:39< Ravana_> yes, noticed that while uploading ageless(31mb)
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20150119 16:46:58< vultraz> shadowm: ^
20150119 16:48:28< Ravana_> I know for sure that bar didn't work correctly, exact behaviour was showing full bar and not responding I think
20150119 16:53:39< nurupo> i guess that means i don't need to test it. not that i would be able to though, your instructions are not complete
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20150119 16:57:46< Necrosporus> nurupo, make a directory in add-ons dir, create _server.pbl put some large files in there, start wesnoth, open addons look for your addon you should see option to upload. Upload. Then remove.
20150119 17:00:20< vultraz> no need, though, since the issue is confirmed
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20150119 17:43:33< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 6c11a92a5628 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: added lesson on abilities http://git.io/yzdkmw
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20150119 18:00:04< Ivanovic> aquileia: if the string already existed in the textdomain it would be fine
20150119 18:00:11< Ivanovic> but since the string only exists in another domain: not fine
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20150119 18:13:36< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c58523022bfe / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: expanded abilities lesson to include weapon specials, fixed a few typos in http://git.io/3qkK9g
20150119 18:13:39< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master ba4cc7e6491d / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: added a facing for Galdrad http://git.io/cwkkKA
20150119 18:18:52< Necrosporus> > A full list of abilities and weapons specials, along with traits, may be found in help."
20150119 18:19:01< Necrosporus> Actually that's not quite true
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20150119 18:28:41< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9fac2fb1f732 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: added advancement dialog for the Druid and Sorceress http://git.io/ICAvGA
20150119 18:33:14< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 82e40085eb12 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: expanded advancement dialog for Captain and Hero http://git.io/DkOMuQ
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20150119 18:34:03< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5581 (master - 6c11a92 : Charles Dang): The build was fixed.
20150119 18:34:03< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/47549215
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20150119 18:44:35< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master bea155422896 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/01_Tutorial_part_1.cfg: T S1: make clear at the end that there is a second scenario http://git.io/34iaRA
20150119 18:44:38< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f0e4a586d708 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/01_Tutorial_part_1.cfg: T S1: tweaked the victory lesson http://git.io/bnabpQ
20150119 18:44:41< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master cda19af75ad7 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/01_Tutorial_part_1.cfg: T S1: fixed a stray ' -> ’ http://git.io/OQCjCg
20150119 18:46:32< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9aa18e0e273f / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/01_Tutorial_part_1.cfg: T S1: heeded a comment and use the phrase 'it now flies your colors' http://git.io/-SkC5w
20150119 18:50:21< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e8a1e567ad33 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: made Galdrad's death a defeat condition, since he says most of the lessons http://git.io/s--l_g
20150119 18:52:24< vultraz> ALRIGHT
20150119 18:52:36< vultraz> zookeeper, shadowm: if you want to playtest this, now would be the time
20150119 18:52:42< vultraz> well, starting from now
20150119 18:52:51< vultraz> since that was the last batch of major changes I had to do
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20150119 19:18:22< shadowm> vultraz: I asked loonycyborg because I already confirmed it.
20150119 19:18:39< vultraz> you could have told me that BEFORE >____<
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20150119 19:19:11< shadowm> loonycyborg: So I was expecting a more technical opinion on the matter since I don't think I can be of use when it comes to dealing with backend crap.
20150119 19:19:56< loonycyborg> yeah, I have no idea why it's windows specific
20150119 19:20:08< shadowm> loonycyborg: In other words, I'm tempted to assign the bug to you unless you can help me in some other way.
20150119 19:21:04< loonycyborg> yup assign it to me. The problem is
20150119 19:21:15< loonycyborg> I have trouble making any debugging done on windows
20150119 19:21:22< shadowm> vultraz: Sorry, I thought it was obvious since I was rambling about MKLINK requiring admin access and having a different parameter order than ln.
20150119 19:21:36 * vultraz stares blankly
20150119 19:21:49< shadowm> Actually, I'm not sorry.
20150119 19:21:54< shadowm> I love watching you suffer.
20150119 19:22:17< loonycyborg> I can find the code that calculates progress
20150119 19:23:43< loonycyborg> it's all in network_asio.cpp
20150119 19:24:33< shadowm> Surely the problem is that is_write_complete() gets a bad value for bytes_transferred.
20150119 19:24:55< shadowm> Probably as much as the send size.
20150119 19:25:14< loonycyborg> hmm maybe
20150119 19:25:23< loonycyborg> it could be also due to wrong total size
20150119 19:25:33< loonycyborg> which it gets from parsing wml
20150119 19:25:48< shadowm> The total size seemed correct to me.
20150119 19:26:17< shadowm> Okay, I need to finish up and backport a patch before continuing.
20150119 19:26:23< loonycyborg> ok so the bar is always full?
20150119 19:26:46< vultraz> Yes
20150119 19:27:12< vultraz> Immediately full with total size shown, but upload proceeds as expected and everything else works
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20150119 19:37:50< shadowm> ARGH.
20150119 19:38:08< shadowm> utils::invalid_utf8_exception and utf8::invalid_utf8_exception are still distinct in 1.12?!
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20150119 19:46:01< irker791> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 7b0d2d76d3d4 / changelog data/game_config.cfg players_changelog: Revert "Change title screen music to transience.ogg." http://git.io/E1fRFQ
20150119 19:46:09< irker791> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 9514710e70b4 / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Catch utils::invalid_utf8_exception within handle_upload() http://git.io/VX_gUg
20150119 19:46:11< irker791> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 00878708872c / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Catch utf8::invalid_utf8_exception within handle_upload() http://git.io/2n35Ew
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20150119 19:49:12< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/47553849
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20150119 19:54:30< vultraz> dat indent
20150119 20:04:11< vultraz> ok, on to this THoT issue
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20150119 20:24:00< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/47554261
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20150119 20:27:32< shadowm> loonycyborg: This is what it looks like throughout the whole process, that's why I don't think the total size is incorrect: http://i.imgur.com/6Eq3JGK.png
20150119 20:28:14< shadowm> It's only 0.03 MiB larger than the copy on the add-ons server, but that's most certainly because I've committed several changes since then.
20150119 20:28:47< shadowm> 0.02.
20150119 20:38:13< irker791> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 2cdc992081c4 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (12 files in 2 dirs): THoT: instead of including full herodeath file, only include relevant macros per http://git.io/a_gg0w
20150119 20:38:29< vultraz> shadowm: ^ finally fixed that thing
20150119 20:39:22< vultraz> also, BLEGH. 0 code quality control in this campaign
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20150119 23:38:24< ancestral> Are spaces okay in add-on names?
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20150119 23:47:37< ancestral> I’m guessing no
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