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20150121 01:45:20< irker337> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 66651ab07f9f / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/09_Forbidden_Forest.cfg: THoT S9: cleaned up code http://git.io/aJSIIQ
20150121 01:45:20< irker337> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 5c13611fffc7 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/macros.cfg: THoT: simplified Staff of Righteous Flame effect anim. Still could be made bette http://git.io/BhiZ-g
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20150121 07:06:55< Ivanovic> aquileia: the "feature freeze" for 1.12.x applies also to assets
20150121 07:07:06< Ivanovic> so in fact the unit graphics and so on should not be updated in that branch
20150121 07:07:12< Ivanovic> those changes should just go to dev
20150121 07:07:21< Ivanovic> so that UMC authors know what they work against
20150121 07:07:40< Ivanovic> the same is of course true for other campaign  images (like the map), too
20150121 07:08:02< Ivanovic> and i don't think replacing that map counts as bugfixing
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20150121 07:13:28< irker150> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 340e02ed9b2a / data/tools/GUI.pyw: wmltools GUI: fixed wording of wmlindent -v -v toggle http://git.io/f27IUQ
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20150121 08:06:27< zookeeper> Ivanovic, but campaign assets have often been changed in the past in stable branches; UMC authors shouldn't rely on mainline campaigns, so asset freeze shouldn't apply to them, right?
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20150121 13:20:55< Guest12598> hello people...can anyone guide me how to contribute to current projects here?
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20150121 13:22:11< akki005_> hii everyone...please instruct me how to get started for battle for wesnoth?
20150121 13:23:12< zookeeper> well, the first thing would be to clone the main repo: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth
20150121 13:24:11< zookeeper> (assuming you're Guest12598 and want to contribute and didn't just pop in a minute later...)
20150121 13:25:31< Guest12598> yep i did that...made a local repo by cloning this one...how to go on after that now?
20150121 13:25:32< zookeeper> a good second step would be to figure out what you want to do, i suppose
20150121 13:26:40< zookeeper> if you want to do code then i guess you need to figure out how to compile: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnoth
20150121 13:27:53< Guest12598> yeah...i am a coder...i code in c++ and java and would like to go for that one
20150121 13:30:43< Guest12598> yeah i am going through the compiling steps...it probably will take some time..in the meanwhile I will be grateful if you give me tips what to do once I get wesnoth compiled and all setups done
20150121 13:32:50< Necrosporus> There's http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EasyCoding
20150121 13:33:07< Necrosporus> Tasks that should be relatively easy to code but which are not implemented yet
20150121 13:34:56< Guest12598> great...i am looking for easy tasks as of now I am a beginner...thanks to both of you
20150121 13:35:32< Necrosporus> Which areas of Wesnoth would you like to improve?
20150121 13:36:03< Necrosporus> Another area could be fixing small bugs, for that you could go to the bug-tracker and look into opened bugs
20150121 13:37:48< Guest12598> actually i came to know about wesnoth while going through mentoring organisations of GSOC 2014 and there I got interested in wesnoth because it is game development oriented...thus i dont have much idea how to get started
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20150121 13:38:17< Guest12598> so in starting i want to take up some easy coding task...so that i once get comfortable working here
20150121 13:38:21< Necrosporus> Guest12598, so you did not yet play it?
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20150121 13:39:04< Guest12598> i did play it but not much
20150121 13:39:32< loonycyborg> Guest12598: better play it more
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20150121 13:39:51< loonycyborg> and improve things that get in the way
20150121 13:39:57< Guest12598> should i go for bugs in starting?
20150121 13:40:15< Necrosporus> By the way, if you are really going to develop you might want to install GNU/Linux, as linux development environment is way easier to set up and also more powerful. I do not say it's impossible to develop wesnoth on windows, in fact it's sometimes even useful (for example for bugfixing) but it's quite tricky to compile it there
20150121 13:40:47< zookeeper> yeah, it's probably best to try to work on something that you find needs working on... and that requires playing the game some more, most likely
20150121 13:41:20< Necrosporus> For me I feel like performance is an issue
20150121 13:41:33< Guest12598> yeah fortunately...i have linux as well as windows installed on my pc
20150121 13:41:37< Necrosporus> 1.12 is slower than 1.10 was
20150121 13:41:53< Guest12598> ohh i see
20150121 13:41:57< Necrosporus> What distrubution do you use? just curious
20150121 13:42:37< zookeeper> of course you can just browse around https://gna.org/bugs/?group=wesnoth and see if there's anything that you fancy
20150121 13:43:16< Guest12598>  i work on ubuntu based...but not much there...till now i am more used to working on windows
20150121 13:43:49< Guest12598> thanks zookeeper for the link
20150121 13:44:23< Necrosporus> Guest12598, have you finished a campaign or two?
20150121 13:46:13< Guest12598> not yet...my pre-mid terms have just finished yesterday...but i will soon in a day or two
20150121 13:49:36< zookeeper> if there's something i'd suggest for a newcomer, it'd be to focus on bugs and other improvements, not on new flashy features (especially gameplay-affecting features)
20150121 13:49:57< Guest12598> i have made some mini arcade games using python and also on unity...thats what attracted me to work more on game development...so i was looking for some open source platform which works on game development
20150121 13:50:19< zookeeper> there's tons of gameplay features that might seemingly be missing, but which are intentional omissions (and endlessly debated in the past)
20150121 13:50:25< Guest12598> and what would be better than GSOC organisations...I look forward to gain new things working here
20150121 13:51:08< Guest12598> hmm...good piece of advice...thansk for that
20150121 13:51:28< Guest12598> thanks*
20150121 13:57:17< Necrosporus> zookeeper, name a few?
20150121 13:57:28< Necrosporus> multiple units on same tile?
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20150121 14:05:45< Necrosporus> Guest12598, which new things do you want to gain?
20150121 14:06:19< Necrosporus> Are you arcade games free software and would you mind to provide a link to python one?
20150121 14:06:34< Necrosporus> unity is proprietary so doesn't count
20150121 14:08:13< Guest12598> actually i used codeskulptor for developing arcade mini-games and that too just for fun
20150121 14:08:42< Guest12598> but yeah i have it on my github...i give u link for that one
20150121 14:09:57< Guest12598> and i want to gain more experience on open source working for some established organisations...to gain what it is like to work in a professionaly way
20150121 14:10:40< Guest12598> https://github.com/Akki5/blackjack
20150121 14:10:47< Guest12598> https://github.com/Akki5/ricerocks
20150121 14:11:48< Guest12598> these are two of my repositories which exist on github...i made them a while ago in my vacations...thus some parts of the work may need to be improved...so oevrlook those
20150121 14:11:59< Guest12598> overlook*
20150121 14:14:08< Guest12598> i have one repo for that unity one too
20150121 14:15:15< Necrosporus> do you also have a link to try running ricerocks? 
20150121 14:15:37< Necrosporus> blackjack isn't quite interesting judging by name (it's a card game right?)
20150121 14:16:10< Guest12598> hehe yeah...you guessed it right...its a card game
20150121 14:16:40< Guest12598> yes i can put the ricerocks game online and provide you its link...just give me two minutes
20150121 14:18:02< Guest12598> http://www.codeskulptor.org/#user39_M0AEnse0gg_0.py
20150121 14:18:39< Guest12598> yeah..here it is...just click on the play button on top left corner...it will start the game in a new window
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20150121 14:19:23< Guest12598> the spaceship moves with the arrow keys and it fires weapon with 'space bar'
20150121 14:20:05< Necrosporus> There's a very similar game in standard kde games
20150121 14:21:03< Guest12598> thats a very popular space shooting game...in fact the one i made in unity also is a space shooting game
20150121 14:21:12< Necrosporus> I have played and closed it before I read your message (figured out by myself)
20150121 14:21:24< Necrosporus> Perhaps you might want to take a look at http://elm-lang.org/
20150121 14:21:26< Guest12598> actually...its a bit easy to develop so i did go for that
20150121 14:21:54< Necrosporus> A platform very similar to one you mentioned but with far more advanced (though still simple enough) language instead of python
20150121 14:22:50< Guest12598> okk...i heard about it...but never tried...thanks for that...i will surely check it out in near future
20150121 14:23:55< Guest12598> i wanted to learn using python...so instead i started with developing a game in python...that helped me learn language as well as it was much interesting
20150121 14:24:14< Guest12598> the reason why i now look ahead to game development
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20150121 14:25:20< Guest12598>  btw i wanted to ask you...if wesnoth will go for GSOC againt this year?
20150121 14:26:26< Necrosporus> I guess you should ask someone else, shadowm perhaps
20150121 14:27:52< Guest12598> thanks for that information...i will ask him
20150121 14:28:41< Guest12598> may i ask you where are you people from?
20150121 14:29:43< Necrosporus> By the way I'm not an official wesnoth developer
20150121 14:30:42< Guest12598> ohh i see...so how long you are active and working for wesnoth?
20150121 14:30:58< Necrosporus> I'm not working for wesnoth :)
20150121 14:31:38< Necrosporus> Well... I report bugs sometimes if that counts
20150121 14:31:57< Guest12598> hehe...i meant contributing to wesnoth rather :P
20150121 14:37:03< Guest12598> yeah i got it
20150121 14:37:40< Guest12598> i got to go now...thanks to all for giving their valuable peice of advice and information
20150121 14:38:11< Guest12598> will be here again soon...bubyee for then...bye necrosporus
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20150121 15:23:17< irker319> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f6629d87c9c6 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/_main.cfg: THoT: organized spelling exceptions http://git.io/6A8sSA
20150121 15:23:18< irker319> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d105d314f574 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/10_The_Siege_of_Kal_Kartha.cfg: ThoT S10: cleaned up code http://git.io/OrLRfw
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20150121 16:13:14< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5606 (master - d105d31 : Charles Dang): The build was broken.
20150121 16:13:14< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/47793954
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20150121 16:52:53< irker319> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master a94824ca7cb9 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (_main.cfg scenarios/11_The_Court_of_Karrag.cfg): THoT S11: cleaned up code http://git.io/XeJ6gQ
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20150121 17:07:27< Ivanovic> zookeeper: then there is another aspect why it makes sense to not change campaigns: what are the new things we can introduce in later stable releases?
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20150121 17:25:21< zookeeper> Ivanovic, what do you mean? in this case i believe he was talking about replacing an old-style bigmap with a new-style one, along with complete journey markers etc.
20150121 17:25:49< Ivanovic> at least it does impact the translations
20150121 17:25:59< Ivanovic> the other stuff was just the "bonus part"
20150121 17:26:54< vultraz>         generate_name=yes
20150121 17:26:56< vultraz>         name= _ "Masked Dwarf" <- logic 
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20150121 17:34:33< zookeeper> Ivanovic, looking at the PR, i don't think it actually really changes anything, because:
20150121 17:35:00< Ivanovic> zookeeper: if translators have to change the image to keep it translated: those are new strings and it breaks the string freeze
20150121 17:35:08< zookeeper> 1) TB didn't have a bigmap, now it'd have one (copied from liberty along with its few existing localizations)
20150121 17:35:31< zookeeper> 2) LoW only has its epilogue BG changed to the core titlescreen map
20150121 17:35:43< Ivanovic> zookeeper: and when did this happen?
20150121 17:35:48< Ivanovic> during the string freeze or before?
20150121 17:36:14< Ivanovic> besides: if it is the same file used as for the titlescreen it is no new string since the titlescreen already uses it and allows translations
20150121 17:36:46< zookeeper> 3) DM would, AFAICT, use the core titlescreen map where it didn't have one before, so no new/changed/removed images
20150121 17:37:14< zookeeper> when did what happen?
20150121 17:38:06< Ivanovic> anyway, considering how inactive i am: i don't care anymore...
20150121 17:38:49< Ivanovic> just do what you folks want to do, yet i would recommend not to handle the translators too badly by introducing new stuff during the string freeze
20150121 17:39:51< zookeeper> yes, my point was to point out that i believe the PR does not really introduce any new stuff
20150121 17:41:34< zookeeper> technically, the TB bigmap adds that image to TB, but equally technically it's not more work for the translators, because they already have the liberty bigmap on their plate
20150121 17:42:37< zookeeper> DM and LoW seem like a clear case of just using core assets so no problem there, unless i'm missing something
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20150121 17:51:46< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5607 (master - a94824c : Charles Dang): The build was fixed.
20150121 17:51:46< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/47806981
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20150121 18:07:54 * vultraz cries at the un-optimization in The Underlevels
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20150121 19:57:00< vultraz> WHEW
20150121 19:57:10< vultraz> that too long enough
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20150121 19:57:13< irker245> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9b0b500d7824 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (scenarios/11_The_Court_of_Karrag.cfg utils/herodeaths.cfg): THoT: move Dulcatulos's death event to a macro http://git.io/FGgxgA
20150121 19:57:13< vultraz> took*
20150121 19:57:14< irker245> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master dc6d3c21be8d / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: THoT S12: refactored scenario http://git.io/dZII5Q
20150121 19:58:19< vultraz> length down by about 120 lines and proprocessor bloat greatly decreased
20150121 20:00:24< vultraz> still some stuff to do
20150121 20:00:27< vultraz> but, tomorrow >_>
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20150121 20:07:44< irker245> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 54a260eec99d / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/_main.cfg: THoT: added myself to credits http://git.io/uOOGLg
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20150121 22:01:20< gfgtdf> vultraz: couldnÄt you remove the saga_told vvariable in your latest commit ?
20150121 22:02:12< gfgtdf> vultraz: i mean that is exatly what first_time_only=yes (default) does.
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