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20150124 01:51:02< shadowm> Hi ancestral.
20150124 01:51:11< ancestral> Hi
20150124 01:51:15< shadowm> How's it going?
20150124 01:53:34< ancestral> Fine, just keeping busy 
20150124 01:53:51< ancestral> 1.12.1 is tagged I see
20150124 01:54:21< ancestral> I’ve been talking with mattsc via pm on the forums
20150124 01:54:58< shadowm> 20:02:51 <shadowm> mattsc, ancestral, loonycyborg: Yeah, that means you should start doing your magic.
20150124 01:55:31< ancestral> Gotcha.
20150124 01:56:16< ancestral> I’ll have time tonight, my goal is to have it ready on or before Sunday
20150124 01:56:52< shadowm> (Which reminds me loonycyborg hasn't acked my prod, hm.)
20150124 01:57:05< loonycyborg> just a bit busy
20150124 01:57:08< ancestral> (If everything goes wrong, I’ll work with mattsc; worst case he said he can do this 1.12.1 release)
20150124 01:57:19< ancestral> But this is good practice for me
20150124 01:58:03< shadowm> loonycyborg: Okay, just needed to know if you'd read it. :)
20150124 01:58:12< ancestral> shadowm: I will likely not be on IRC much tomorrow, if that matters to you
20150124 01:58:44< ancestral> Although, probably important to know, where do I put the binary when I’m ready?
20150124 01:58:57< shadowm> wesnoth-1.12/wesnoth-1.12.1 in the FRS.
20150124 01:59:09< shadowm> i.e. here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth-1.12/wesnoth-1.12.1/
20150124 01:59:15< ancestral> Aha
20150124 01:59:34< ancestral> Oooh boy, I haven’t used my SF account in ages
20150124 02:00:05< shadowm> I don't know if the web upload method is reliable for large files, and I didn't have much of a choice anyway so I used rsync.
20150124 02:00:32< shadowm> The most I've ever uploaded with the web interface is around 18 MNiB.
20150124 02:02:56< ancestral> I have no idea what “MNiB” means, but I assume it’s a somewhat large amount of bytes
20150124 02:03:39< shadowm> MiB.
20150124 02:04:01< ancestral> shadowm: Do I need to be in this, or is it optional? https://sourceforge.net/p/wesnoth/_members/
20150124 02:04:33< shadowm> Yes, I need to add you as a release technician (I guess nobody asked Ivanovic before).
20150124 02:04:49< shadowm> What is your SF.net account name?
20150124 02:04:56< ancestral> ancestral-sf
20150124 02:08:04< shadowm> ancestral: Added.
20150124 02:08:25< ancestral> I am running into a strange login issue… when I log in, it still says “log in” in the top right corner
20150124 02:08:26< shadowm> If you are logged in, that means you should see two buttons on that page labeled "Add Folder" and "Add File".
20150124 02:08:35< ancestral> Hmm
20150124 02:09:05< shadowm> I don't think you are logged in then.
20150124 02:09:06< ancestral> I might need to poke their support
20150124 02:09:36< shadowm> Maybe try clearing all SF.net cookies?
20150124 02:10:22< ancestral> Good idea. A simple thing I should have thought of.
20150124 02:11:03< ancestral> And we have a winner
20150124 02:12:08< ancestral> Great, I see the add folder and add file buttons, all is good
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20150124 03:20:18< shadowm> ancestral: And don't forget to use the same naming pattern as with previous releases (`Wesnoth_1.12.1.dmg`).
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20150124 04:19:24< loonycyborg> shadowm: I've uploaded the windows release
20150124 04:19:48< loonycyborg> and signatures to f.w.o
20150124 04:22:03 * shadowm finally got around to updating the screenshots on SF.net.
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20150124 06:05:47< shadowm> gfgtdf: So, if I understand correctly, https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?22936 means that observers joining an MP campaign after the first scenario may get OOS?
20150124 06:13:03< Necrosporus> What is qt branch for?
20150124 06:13:40< Necrosporus> shadowm, and gold carried over twice
20150124 06:13:59< Necrosporus> so players get more gold than they are intended to
20150124 06:14:14< shadowm> I know, that's kind of obvious since it's the bug subject.
20150124 06:14:32< shadowm> Okay, not the subject, but it's literally in the first line of the OP.
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20150124 06:15:29< shadowm> gfgtdf: I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at the announcement draft (specifically, the MP fixes section and the first item under Known Bugs later on) to confirm whether I got it right or not: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41536
20150124 06:17:03< shadowm> vultraz, Ivanovic, whoever else cares: The announcement draft is up. Note that I still plan to wait until Sunday afternoon UTC or so, or the OS X package (whichever happens last) before announcing.
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20150124 06:18:06< shadowm> I'm not sure there's a point to adding more introductory text but I may change my mind later and add some.
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20150124 06:18:22< shadowm> vultraz I literally highlighted you 44 seconds before you rejoined.
20150124 06:18:41< shadowm> Or it was 44 seconds from my perspective, anyway.
20150124 06:34:02< Necrosporus> shadowm, I can't read the announce draft
20150124 06:34:54< shadowm> Of course you can't.
20150124 06:44:20< shadowm> Hm, perhaps I should include a link to the shiny press release-type 1.12 announcement for the sake of redundancy^Wproviding a reminder for those who haven't yet migrated from 1.10.x? vultraz?
20150124 06:44:45< shadowm> Not that I can blame them for not switching. MP campaigns. :\
20150124 06:45:26< Necrosporus> I think that's not a bad idea
20150124 06:46:54< shadowm> It bothers me that updating the download links in the press release would require breaking the eternal string-freeze on it unless I came up with some kind of pofix-like arrangement.
20150124 06:47:37< shadowm> And otherwise they point to the .0 release.
20150124 06:49:08< shadowm> And the more I think about it, the more I think it's worth it.
20150124 06:51:24< ancestral> shadowm: How do I (or where I can I learn how to) build translations?
20150124 06:51:52< shadowm> Eh.
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20150124 06:52:53< shadowm> ancestral: You mean, as in compiling the game's gettext catalogues (*.po -> *.mo)?
20150124 06:53:08< ancestral> Yes
20150124 06:53:36< shadowm> I have no idea how people do it on OS X with the Xcode workflow, sorry. You'll have to ask mattsc or Alarantalara or crimson_penguin.
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20150124 06:53:54< ancestral> Okay
20150124 06:54:01< shadowm> The platform-neutral way is to use cmake and build the mo-update target.
20150124 06:54:27< shadowm> That's with -DENABLE_NLS=TRUE (the default assuming cmake can find the gettext tools like msgfmt, etc.).
20150124 06:54:41< ancestral> Found my instructions from mattsc
20150124 06:55:19< shadowm> Also, did you see my message from earlier about the bundle's file name?
20150124 06:55:42< ancestral> Yes
20150124 06:55:58< shadowm> Okay, cool.
20150124 06:56:00< ancestral> I read it from irclogs
20150124 06:58:25< Necrosporus> are there any new units with rails movements or they are still decorative elements only?
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20150124 07:06:19< ancestral> Hmm… NLS tools are not present
20150124 07:12:23< Necrosporus> By the way, is there a tool to swap strings between source and po-file?
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20150124 07:21:28< crimson_penguin> ancestral: I always just did it separately with whatever tool (like cmake, I think)
20150124 07:21:32< crimson_penguin> it's been a while
20150124 07:22:02< ancestral> crimson_penguin: mattsc gave me some instructions to build it with scons. I don’t care how I do it personally
20150124 07:22:16< crimson_penguin> cool
20150124 07:22:30< ancestral> I’m trying to interpret the terminal output
20150124 07:30:35< ancestral> Hmm
20150124 07:33:28< vultraz> why not xcode
20150124 07:33:33< ancestral> Darn, not working…
20150124 07:33:40< ancestral> vultraz: Dunno
20150124 07:36:27< vultraz> shadowm: good idea
20150124 07:37:07< ancestral> Oh well, I’ll just have to ping mattsc
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20150124 08:13:08< ancestral> Crendgrim: are you active on reddit?
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20150124 10:43:08< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
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20150124 10:55:32< irker132> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master e89855e7ca80 / src/actions/move.cpp: get_village(): added checks for the new defeat conditions http://git.io/NCQXvQ
20150124 10:55:32< irker132> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 1454600ba433 / src/scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp: Lua set_village_owner(): added checks for the new defeat conditions http://git.io/u_kSRw
20150124 10:55:33< irker132> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master caeedcc21680 / changelog: Fixed changelog to merge PR #364. Again. http://git.io/KTxwzw
20150124 10:55:34< irker132> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 26216f640943 / src/scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp: Lua set_village_owner(): moved checks for new_side before its first use http://git.io/K6WZPg
20150124 10:57:03< Elvish_Hunter> Yep, I had to fix the changelog two or three times before that Git allowed me to merge correctly PR #364.
20150124 10:59:17< Elvish_Hunter> The only problem now is that some unit tests will fail until bug #23188 is fixed.
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20150124 11:20:03< gfgtdf> shadowm: i think the "except for observers joining after the scenario transition has already taken place " is wrong, the reason is that even observers that were already in teh game might not have teh carryover data becasue it is not calculated to for res = OBSERVER_END in here: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.12/src/playcampaign.cpp#L311
20150124 11:20:17< gfgtdf> (only for res == VICTORY)
20150124 11:21:47< aquileia> shadowm: Thanks for bumping the changelog entries to 12.1...now I can fix my PR to apply to 1.12.1+dev
20150124 11:22:09< aquileia> And as I'm editing the changelog anyhow, it's perfect timing
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20150124 11:31:56< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/48150965
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20150124 11:38:23< aquileia> vultraz: around?
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20150124 11:40:40< aquileia> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/07_Mages_and_Drakes.cfg#L51 - guess what bug you'll encounter 50% of the time
20150124 11:44:02< vultraz> aquileia: bad SUFs?
20150124 11:44:44< aquileia> bad gender
20150124 11:45:19< aquileia> the same with Leollyn in DM, BTW
20150124 11:45:26< vultraz> oh
20150124 11:45:41< aquileia> a male portrait + female sprite
20150124 11:47:49< vultraz> thanks
20150124 11:49:31< aquileia> I'm all for having some of the powerful mage characters female, but rather not those with a  unique male portrait ;)
20150124 11:49:57< vultraz> :P
20150124 11:49:58< aquileia> Loosing Perrin's wouldn't be too bad though as it's used for the mage councellor of Haldric II as well
20150124 11:50:20< aquileia> and ESR had an issue with that potrait not matching the character anyhow
20150124 11:50:33< irker132> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e700b9170697 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/07_Mages_and_Drakes.cfg: THoT S7: specify Master Perrin as male http://git.io/PR2OuQ
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20150124 11:51:20< aquileia> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/07_Mages_and_Drakes.cfg#L51
20150124 11:51:33< aquileia> didn't copy the new link,  sorry
20150124 11:51:34< aquileia> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/04_Leollyn.cfg#L70
20150124 11:54:57< aquileia> and  he isn't carried over to S5 but recreated (checked by giving him xp in S4) so the gender there'll be random again
20150124 11:55:36< vultraz> ugh
20150124 11:55:46< vultraz> I'll deal with that
20150124 11:55:56< vultraz> and the gender thing at the same time
20150124 11:56:14< vultraz> Not sure when I'll do DM, but noted
20150124 11:57:07< aquileia> I'd say it'd be good to fix the gender ín both separately so it can be bachported into 1.12
20150124 11:58:22< vultraz> oh
20150124 11:58:24< aquileia> it definitely is a bug, so it should go there as well
20150124 11:58:24< vultraz> hm
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20150124 12:00:01< aquileia> I could add it to my PR, if you want
20150124 12:00:21< vultraz> huh
20150124 12:00:32< vultraz> oh, nvm
20150124 12:00:37< vultraz> uh...
20150124 12:00:40< vultraz> right
20150124 12:00:45< vultraz> Ok I'll fix it
20150124 12:00:52< aquileia> ok
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20150124 12:02:11< irker132> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8fe182fdfef3 / data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/ (04_Leollyn.cfg 05_Council_in_Weldyn.cfg): DM: specify Leollyn as male http://git.io/vI7k5Q
20150124 12:02:37< vultraz> I'll probably change the instance in s5 to a recall later, but master only
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20150124 12:10:56< irker132> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.12 532836777aba / data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/scenarios/ (04_Leollyn.cfg 05_Council_in_Weldyn.cfg): DM: specify Leollyn as male http://git.io/VycSDA
20150124 12:10:59< irker132> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.12 dbc749971081 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/07_Mages_and_Drakes.cfg: THoT S7: specify Master Perrin as male http://git.io/WsBrZw
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20150124 12:29:02< shadowm> aquileia: The alternative was to postpone 1.12.1 for several more days.
20150124 12:34:04< aquileia> ahem... I don't see the context
20150124 12:35:11< aquileia> I was actually glad that you did the changelog already, no irony intended, if that's what you mean
20150124 12:35:20< aquileia> and I'm off
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20150124 12:36:50< shadowm> I'm more used to people (including me) raging about changelog merges.
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20150124 12:44:35< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5651 (master - e700b91 : Charles Dang): The build is still failing.
20150124 12:44:35< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/48154064
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20150124 12:49:38< irker132> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 10a5851a797b / wml_test_schedule: Update wml_test_schedule http://git.io/TvmgDQ
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20150124 13:09:48< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5652 (master - 8fe182f : Charles Dang): The build is still failing.
20150124 13:09:48< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/48154732
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20150124 13:19:46< irker132> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 370e03ec826c / src/ (actions/move.cpp game_board.cpp game_board.hpp scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp): remove code duplication of defeat_condition check http://git.io/1wj_JQ
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20150124 13:31:00< irker132> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 1112187b7d99 / / (20 files in 7 dirs): Port THoT tracks to the SoF bigmap http://git.io/DHAUbQ
20150124 13:31:02< irker132> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 24858862e257 / / (20 files in 7 dirs): Merge pull request #371 from aquileia/bigmap_macro http://git.io/q6jVDQ
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20150124 13:54:00< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5654 (master - 10a5851 : gfgtdf): The build is still failing.
20150124 13:54:00< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/48157324
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20150124 14:00:08< vultraz> zookeeper: just noticed something. in THoT s11 there's the line 'Neither side can recruit or recall. You must win with the troops you have." but there's no disallowing of recruits or storing the recall list or anything
20150124 14:00:14< vultraz> what should the behavior be?
20150124 14:01:39< gfgtdf> the break_replay_with_lua_random wml unit test did not produce teh expected result
20150124 14:16:21< Necrosporus> мш
20150124 14:16:38< Necrosporus> vultraz, let me take a look, i have played through thot
20150124 14:19:42< vultraz> And so have I
20150124 14:22:47< Necrosporus> vultraz, there is no keep, it's the reason why noone could recruit or recall
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20150124 14:23:23< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5655 (master - 370e03e : gfgtdf): The build was fixed.
20150124 14:23:23< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/48159056
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20150124 14:23:38< vultraz> oh right
20150124 14:23:40< vultraz> I added the keep
20150124 14:23:45< vultraz> because the comment said so
20150124 14:23:51< vultraz> so if the comment specifies a keep
20150124 14:23:58< Necrosporus> why?
20150124 14:24:01< vultraz> why does it say no recruits
20150124 14:24:04< vultraz> agh
20150124 14:24:08< vultraz> how shoudl I know why
20150124 14:24:16< vultraz> esr wrote those when he wrote the damn thing
20150124 14:24:24< Necrosporus> ok. i could read the scenario file from 1.12.0 
20150124 14:25:28< vultraz> . . .
20150124 14:25:30< vultraz> no need
20150124 14:25:35< vultraz> zookeeper, verdict?
20150124 14:26:04< vultraz> zookeeper: I appear to have added keeps when none are required, so should I revert, disallow recruits, or what
20150124 14:27:19< Necrosporus> i guess just remove the keeps
20150124 14:33:22< Necrosporus> vultraz, so I see what you mean. I guess the plans for scenario was changed but initial comment was not updated
20150124 14:36:00< aquileia> zookeeper: On a side note, if Kal Kartha got a map label, only the Gaelic localized map would have to be updated by gunchleoc - the Portuguese and German translations use "Kal Kartha" and thus wouldn't need to be amended
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20150124 14:48:09< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5656 (master - 2485886 : Charles Dang): The build was fixed.
20150124 14:48:09< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/48159775
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20150124 14:49:30< zookeeper> vultraz, no idea, i've never played that scenario
20150124 14:50:23< zookeeper> aquileia, well, sure, i can get you a version with it added
20150124 14:52:42< aquileia> I'd say it could be used in SoF and THoT - Kal Kartha had knowledge about runelore, so they existed back then
20150124 14:53:34< aquileia> if both are replaced, it's one less map to worry about
20150124 14:55:28< zookeeper> true
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20150124 15:24:29< gfgtdf> shadowm: did you read my message earlier about the announcement ?
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20150124 15:43:21< Necrosporus> Why I can't help for factions while I'm opening help from main screen?
20150124 15:43:24< Necrosporus> * see
20150124 15:56:46< shadowm> gfgtdf: It's in my to-do list to read it as soon as I have time to do so with the announcement draft in front of me.
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20150124 16:34:39< shadowm> gfgtdf: So I'll just remove that bit. Observers may still encounter OOS as a result of this bug, right?
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20150124 17:08:32< vultraz> shadowm: what should I do with the anim speed poll
20150124 17:17:42< ancestral> I mentioned this before… but I don’t think it’s a bad idea to occasionally mention stuff like this on the front page.
20150124 17:18:21< ancestral> If you are intending to get input from the players, I believe there’s a good number of people who visit wesnoth.org and never make their way [back] to the forums, but might if they knew there was something interesting going on.
20150124 17:21:21< Ravana_> I believe there should be awareness of speed setting especially for multiplayer, but changing actual default isn't important
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20150124 17:39:34< shadowm> vultraz: Whatever you want to do with it.
20150124 17:41:49< vultraz> Alright if I lock it?
20150124 17:42:07< shadowm> It's your poll, so...
20150124 17:42:41< vultraz> I mean the topic
20150124 17:42:50< vultraz> (you can lock a poll?)
20150124 17:43:00< shadowm> It's your topic, so...
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20150124 18:29:56< Rhonda> There is someone streaming wesnoth on twitch  :D
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20150124 20:13:17< aquileia> vultraz: I assume AOI bigmap for NR?
20150124 20:14:49< aquileia> Given that there's only one pre apocalypse campaign left,  I may as well finish it now...
20150124 20:15:52< vultraz> I'm not sure, i haven't played NR in forever
20150124 20:15:58< vultraz> But if you think so, I'll trust your judgement
20150124 20:16:09< vultraz> And we really should get you push access
20150124 20:16:33< aquileia> The SoF map is centred better, but cluttered with map labels irrelevant to NR
20150124 20:16:47< aquileia> So it's the choice between these two
20150124 20:16:53< vultraz> you could remove the labels, I guess
20150124 20:18:18< aquileia> they're part of the image, and I don't think it's worth editing it
20150124 20:22:52< vultraz> ah
20150124 20:22:57< vultraz> well, ask zookeeper. he makes the maps
20150124 20:25:47< zookeeper> which ones would you need removed?
20150124 20:26:29< aquileia> I really don't think it's worth it, I'm finr with the AOI map
20150124 20:26:29< zookeeper> all but knalga?
20150124 20:27:07< aquileia> it's the same scale, only centred diffferently
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20150124 22:41:55< aquileia> I suppose it's intentional that the elves promise 5000 gold but send only 1500 after being insulted? (NR8, NR10)
20150124 22:56:31< aquileia> NR is pretty much the worst case for trackplacer, which doesn't support backtracking without a new track
20150124 22:57:28< aquileia> I'm still at the last track stages... at this point I thought I'd have it wired in!
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20150124 23:41:17< gfgtdf> shadowm: yes the point is that not only observers who joined later can/will get OOS all observes can/will
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