--- Log opened Sat Jan 31 00:00:08 2015
20150131 00:01:14< zookeeper> names should be capitalized of course, so if there is a thing which has the name "Loyalists" then it should be capitalized.
20150131 00:01:40< zookeeper> but of course you can also talk about "loyalists"
20150131 00:02:14< ancestral> (Right, people loyal to a cause, but not specifically those among the Loyalist faction)
20150131 00:02:28< zookeeper> it'd also help if you had said whether you mean factions as in the game mechanic or in-universe factions
20150131 00:02:51< ancestral> Er, in-universe?
20150131 00:03:20< ancestral> That is, if instead of war, this was a sport, and instead of factions, they were teams
20150131 00:03:39< zookeeper> well, i doubt there's a "Drakes" in-universe faction the same way there's a "Knalgan Alliance"
20150131 00:03:42< ancestral> The team names would be capitalized
20150131 00:03:46 * c74d recalls Wesbowl.
20150131 00:04:06< ancestral> zookeeper: Well, what would the humans call the faction of drakes?
20150131 00:04:16< ancestral> (that might be a bad question to ask; maybe they don’t)
20150131 00:04:22< zookeeper> i'd say they don't
20150131 00:04:40< zookeeper> unless they are organized enough that either the humans or the drakes themselves call them by some specific name
20150131 00:05:01< ancestral> How about the undead?
20150131 00:05:29 * zookeeper shrugs
20150131 00:05:41< ancestral> I guess what I’m getting at is, if this was war, and there was a peace treaty, and they’re signing documents… (forget if it’s realistic or not in the Wesnoth setting, this is hypothetical anyway)
20150131 00:05:58< ancestral> There would be a name for the faction more than just the race
20150131 00:06:04< ancestral> most likely
20150131 00:06:43< zookeeper> then the signatories (?) would probably be "Xagnos the Necromancer (and his army of skeletons)" or "The drakes of mountain Bigpeak"
20150131 00:06:59< zookeeper> in any case i gotta leave
20150131 00:07:03< ancestral> If it’s a large enough threat, there’ll ought to be a name for it ;-)
20150131 00:07:12< ancestral> zookeeper: Thanks for you input!
20150131 00:07:15< ancestral> and discussion
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20150131 03:49:58< vultraz> shadowm: most of these are wmllint being stupid https://www.dropbox.com/s/qd2q8o7dgimdoe8/master-wmllint-output.txt?dl=0
20150131 03:52:14< vultraz> I figure you know better what to do with these
20150131 03:53:41< shadowm> I have seen them before.
20150131 03:54:08< shadowm> The officially-sanctioned procedure is `cd data/tools; make lint`.
20150131 03:54:27< vultraz> I don't have make
20150131 03:56:05< vultraz> And I don't know where to get make
20150131 03:57:20< shadowm> mingw.
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20150131 03:58:20< shadowm>   DATA = ../../data
20150131 03:58:22< shadowm>   MAINLINE = $(DATA)/core $(DATA)/multiplayer $(DATA)/themes $(DATA)/campaigns/*
20150131 03:58:25< shadowm>   UMC =
20150131 03:58:33< shadowm>   ./wmllint --dryrun $(MAINLINE) $(UMC)
20150131 04:00:23< vultraz> mingw has a console?
20150131 04:00:42< shadowm> mingw has a bash port.
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20150131 04:01:03 * vultraz looks
20150131 04:01:19< shadowm> It also has ports for coreutils, findutils, make, etc.
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20150131 04:02:15< vultraz> what am I looking for..
20150131 04:07:09< vultraz> I don't have msys
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20150131 05:26:02< irker173> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 758191052e93 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/maps/ (11_The_Court_of_Karrag.map 13_Epilogue.map): THoT: small aesthetic tweaks to Karrag's throne room http://git.io/FQT1
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20150131 08:20:27< shadowm> vultraz: http://pastebin.com/aVJXEptw
20150131 08:21:48< shadowm> Also, I told you the other day I'm not fixing the wmllint errors with that editor help file until that file stops being the unsightly disaster it currently is.
20150131 08:22:05< shadowm> Especially re profanities and translatable placeholders.
20150131 08:24:25< shadowm> vultraz: Also http://pastebin.com/a33z4yg2 .
20150131 08:24:54< shadowm> Decide on the correct spelling of 'minimap' vs. 'mini-map' so I can add an exception somewhere.
20150131 08:25:05< shadowm> Or add it yourself.
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20150131 08:27:54< shadowm> zookeeper: Reminder that you should either get someone to change the semantics of hit/miss events or revert the addition of that code to data/core/macros/sound-utils.cfg in master.
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20150131 08:32:56< zookeeper> shadowm, ah, yes
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20150131 08:34:43< irker468> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master e53367ffc53f / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: tutorial: Fix translatable quote syntax http://git.io/FQoW
20150131 08:34:43< irker468> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 7161fa99997b / data/core/macros/sound-utils.cfg: Add wmllint exceptions for WML-like content in verbatim quote blocks http://git.io/FQol
20150131 08:34:44< irker468> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 13bb6e70a5fd / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/units/Lich_Lord.cfg: EI: Silence wmllint warning about unlabeled [attack] http://git.io/FQo8
20150131 08:34:46< irker468> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 7d61ec3ac07d / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/06_Return_to_Parthyn.cfg: DiD S6: 'behond' -> 'behold' http://git.io/FQo4
20150131 08:34:49< irker468> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 82c6e55e2833 / data/core/units.cfg: Add wmllint spelling exception for 'liminal' http://git.io/FQoB
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20150131 08:55:46< Necrosporus> Seems like wesnoth cmake errors even if I have boost disabled (it says it can't find boost headers)
20150131 08:59:25< shadowm> Boost disabled? What does that mean?
20150131 09:06:30< Ivanovic> Necrosporus: completely disabling boost is not possible
20150131 09:11:28< Necrosporus> shadowm, boost filesystem is disabled in ccmake settings, boost is not installed. But OK, I understand, I need boost nevertheless, so I compile it too
20150131 09:12:40< shadowm> Yes, only Boost.filesystem is optional, and only in 1.12.x.
20150131 09:12:51< shadowm> Boost.locale too.
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20150131 10:21:55< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20150131 10:23:17< vultraz> hey Elvish_Hunter 
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20150131 10:25:15< irker468> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 9fdf620897d1 / / (3 files in 2 dirs): THoT: fixed some messages not being shown in custom events in 'The Underlevels' http://git.io/F7Tq
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20150131 10:30:40< vultraz> Elvish_Hunter: ahh thanks. I had just refactored that scenario and missed that
20150131 10:32:38< Elvish_Hunter> Well, after your changes I replayed simply had to replay THoT ;-) By the way, where did you get the 'unlock.ogg' file from?
20150131 10:33:05 * Elvish_Hunter added a 'replayed' too much...
20150131 10:34:00< Elvish_Hunter> Also, from the wmllint output that you recently posted, I see that you can't use wmllint for spellchecking.
20150131 10:34:13< vultraz> guy over in frogatto, ActionJackalope, gave me 3 unlock sounds that I added to my UMC. The one I used in THoT is the second one 
20150131 10:34:37< Elvish_Hunter> If you want to enable it, you can go to https://pythonhosted.org/pyenchant/download.html and get the pyenchant-1.6.6.win32.exe .
20150131 10:35:49< irker468> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e97a7d0e11bd / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: fixed a bunch of typos http://git.io/F7I7
20150131 10:35:52< irker468> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master dbf6b1f06363 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Rune_Lord.cfg: THoT: added idle efx to Karrag (clone of the Lich idle anim) http://git.io/F7I5
20150131 10:36:10< Elvish_Hunter> Then, after that you installed the file above, wmllint's spellchecking will work on Windows as well.
20150131 10:38:22< irker468> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1e383f83f1b6 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg: T S2: missed a typo (defuffs -> debuffs) http://git.io/F7Ld
20150131 10:39:25< vultraz> shadowm: I'd say 'minimap'
20150131 10:40:10< vultraz> Elvish_Hunter: did you like Karrag's new throneroom?
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20150131 10:42:43< vultraz> Elvish_Hunter: also, that pyenchant doesnt work since I'm on win 8.1 64 bit and it only likes 32 bit python
20150131 10:43:18< Elvish_Hunter> vultraz: the runes add a nice touch; however, I found that, if I manage to move Angarthing to 14,15, I can recruit even if I'm not supposed to do it.
20150131 10:43:47< vultraz> keep on the bottom? fixed in 758191052e93 
20150131 10:47:13< Elvish_Hunter> Perfect :-) About the pyenchant issue: that's why, despite having Windows 7 64 bit, I decided to install Python at 32 bit: it works pretty much in the same way as the 64 bit version, but there are less compatibility problems.
20150131 11:01:11< irker468> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master e48f4c2059bd / / (31 files in 30 dirs): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation http://git.io/F7sL
20150131 11:01:13< irker468> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 88e813d17fe9 / / (30 files in 29 dirs): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation http://git.io/F7sq
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20150131 11:04:46< vultraz> hm, I might do that
20150131 11:07:24< irker468> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master bcb9f81fdc35 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/11_The_Court_of_Karrag.cfg: THoT S11: used 'variation none' instead of 'variation ()' http://git.io/F7Zp
20150131 11:09:18< Elvish_Hunter> vultraz: for what's my experience, in past I have found several libraries that work only with Python at 32 bit; but I have yet to find one single library that works only with Python at 64 bit.
20150131 11:09:33< Elvish_Hunter> So, in my case it was a pretty much forced choice.
20150131 11:09:40< mjs-de> m
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20150131 11:30:04< vultraz> Elvish_Hunter: do you have any suggestions for improving THoT since you recently replayed it?
20150131 11:34:04< Elvish_Hunter> No, the only thing that I can think of is that the staff in the Forbidden Forest should give an overlay to the Mage bearing it. Perhaps a scaled down version of items/staff-magic.png
20150131 11:34:59< Elvish_Hunter> I had two Magi and I always kept confusing which one had the staff...
20150131 11:35:13< vultraz> ah
20150131 11:35:15< vultraz> good idea
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20150131 11:41:29< Elvish_Hunter> Anyway, now I have to go. Bye!
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20150131 12:03:22< irker468> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 684782eeef08 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (5 files in 2 dirs): THoT: move sorf holder death event to sorf holder's config instead of including  http://git.io/F7wr
20150131 12:09:30< vultraz> I really think [object] [then] shouldn't be written to [unit]
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20150131 16:15:04< aquileia> zookeeper: Is it ok if I fix the Karrag halo for some of the animations and omit it for the rest?
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20150131 16:15:28< vultraz> aquileia: what do you mean
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20150131 16:17:33< aquileia> the base halo is assymetrical (glowing hammer) and doesn't flip to the left when Karrag does - at least that's the behaviour I had yesterday, today it simply disappeared
20150131 16:18:44< aquileia> I moved the halo to a [standing_anim] which flips it correctly and automatically applies it to most animations, but some are left without halo if I commit my fix
20150131 16:19:01< aquileia> so the hammer would temporarily cease glowing
20150131 16:19:07< vultraz> well a partial fix is better than none
20150131 16:19:26< zookeeper> i'm sure anything is better than the current non-flipping one
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20150131 16:19:45< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master b795e4eabfb7 / data/core/units/monsters/Fire_Dragon.cfg: Replace dragon fire breath animation http://git.io/FdkQ
20150131 16:19:45< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 77784fba83aa / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Rune_Lord.cfg: THoT: Partially fix Karrag halos http://git.io/Fdk7
20150131 16:20:09< zookeeper> if standing animations currently get used as a base for all other built-in anims (healed, moving, etc etc) then it ought to be enough to just do it in the standing anim, but if not... well, that doesn't sound too bad either
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20150131 16:21:45< aquileia> I could fix the defend as well, but it's not worth the extra code I think
20150131 16:22:24< aquileia> had I not set my animation speed to 0.75, it'd be barely noticeble
20150131 16:29:19< Necrosporus> By the way you might be pleased knowing Wesnoth 1.12.1 runs on Samsung Chromebook ARM if you manage to build boost and sdl stuff
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20150131 16:33:30< aquileia> vultraz: good enough? http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=22094
20150131 16:33:56< aquileia> for backporting to 1.12, I mean
20150131 16:34:03< vultraz> I tried it out in-game
20150131 16:34:04< vultraz> it looks good
20150131 16:34:14< vultraz> but it would be better if it came directly from the mouth
20150131 16:34:18< vultraz> then again
20150131 16:34:24< vultraz> if anyone ever animates it
20150131 16:34:31< vultraz> the head will probably turn and the mouth open right there
20150131 16:34:33< vultraz> so
20150131 16:34:37< vultraz> I guess it's good
20150131 16:35:16< aquileia> the problem is that the missile frames aren't centered around where the flame burst comes from, but on the ball
20150131 16:35:45< aquileia> so for every direction, the offset at the mouth is slightly different
20150131 16:36:50< aquileia> I compromised instead of making 6 separate sub-animations
20150131 16:38:16< vultraz> should be good
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20150131 16:42:20< aquileia> besides, if I really wanted to make it perfect I'd crop every single missile frame so that the upper jaw  remains visible all the time
20150131 16:42:50< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:1.12 449caec62e3d / data/core/units/monsters/Fire_Dragon.cfg: Replace dragon fire breath animation http://git.io/Fd3s
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20150131 16:49:56< aquileia> lipkab: I know, unusual question, but considering the advances of unit_display & display, is there any reason to prefer halo=     to     [halo_frame] image= [\halo_frame] ?
20150131 16:51:16< lipkab> aquileia: It is indeed an unusual question, to the extent that I don't understand it.
20150131 16:52:41< lipkab> I barely know anything about AnimationWML so you should ask someone else...
20150131 16:52:45< aquileia> You have less control over halos, they glitch more frequently (e.g. you can't easily change to a larger halo, the standard halo doesn't flip), ...
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20150131 16:55:07< lipkab> That's nice but I still don't have any relevant skills.
20150131 16:55:26< lipkab> The answer is "I don't know".
20150131 16:56:23< aquileia> Sorry, I thought there might be reasons engine wise (and you worked quite a bit on the SDL surface handling, IIRC)
20150131 16:57:25< lipkab> The SDL stuff is one level below that.
20150131 16:57:55< aquileia> ok
20150131 16:59:16< lipkab> Maybe Coffee could help you.
20150131 17:01:08< vultraz> :refresh is the best command ever
20150131 17:01:15< vultraz> instantly updates the image cache
20150131 17:09:13< aquileia> vultraz: Could you just get a mage of light, attack with it and observe the illumination aura around the mage itself?
20150131 17:10:09< aquileia> I hope that's just something I screwed up locally... but for me the halo jumped into the corner of the screen
20150131 17:12:34< irker116> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e1d5f6c8be4d / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (images/misc/righteous-flame-icon.png utils/macros.cfg): THoT: repurposed the UtBS dehydration icon for a sorf holding icon http://git.io/FdRR
20150131 17:12:37< vultraz> I'm actually seeing no halo 
20150131 17:12:39< vultraz> at all
20150131 17:12:52< vultraz> on mage of light
20150131 17:13:45< vultraz> aquileia: it's uhh
20150131 17:13:52< vultraz> in the corner of the screen
20150131 17:13:53< vultraz> O_O
20150131 17:14:31< vultraz> aquileia: and after I attack the halo appeared
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20150131 17:14:36< vultraz> correctly on the unit
20150131 17:14:48< vultraz> when i spawned the unit with the debug menu, there was no halo
20150131 17:16:24< zookeeper> what's a sorf?
20150131 17:16:38< aquileia> staff of righteous f...
20150131 17:16:44< zookeeper> oh right
20150131 17:19:31< zookeeper> that'd be SoRF then :p
20150131 17:21:14< aquileia> any objections if I redefine MISSILE_FRAME_FIREBALL as {MISSILE_FRAME_FIREBALL_XY 0 0} ? Currently both are nearly the same
20150131 17:22:06< zookeeper> well rather just add a new one?
20150131 17:22:17< zookeeper> move old to deprecated if it's become useless
20150131 17:22:37< aquileia> both already exist, but the old one is kept for compatibility
20150131 17:22:39< zookeeper> err nevermind, i misunderstood
20150131 17:23:27< zookeeper> well, i don't know what the difference is, but if it's something practically imperceptible then i guess it's fine?
20150131 17:23:28< aquileia> how does one flag a macro as deprecated?
20150131 17:23:48< vultraz> oh, speaking of deprecated macros
20150131 17:23:56< zookeeper> moving it to deprecated-utils.cfg
20150131 17:24:07< vultraz> shouldn't EARLY_FINISH_BONUS_CAPTION also be moved
20150131 17:24:20< vultraz> since it says "# Deprecated; use the below EARLY_FINISH_BONUS_FOOTNOTE instead"
20150131 17:25:21 * zookeeper shrugs
20150131 17:25:32< vultraz> I'll take that as a yes
20150131 17:26:30< irker116> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master a7c4f23b2f7b / data/core/macros/ (deprecated-utils.cfg objective-utils.cfg): Moved deprecated EARLY_FINISH_BONUS_CAPTION to the proper place http://git.io/FdzE
20150131 17:26:38< zookeeper> in deprecated-utils.cfg, someone should edit that "# The removal will be 2 versions later." note though
20150131 17:26:48< aquileia> Would I have to replace the 10 mainline uses before deprecating?
20150131 17:26:55< zookeeper> preferably, yes
20150131 17:26:59< vultraz> you should
20150131 17:27:04< aquileia> damn...
20150131 17:27:12< zookeeper> well, i don't think you need to do it _before_, but still
20150131 17:27:29< vultraz> and we're waiting for anon before deprecating MESSAGE right?
20150131 17:27:34< zookeeper> i don't think anyone complains if you do it next week or a day before 1.13.0 or whatever :p
20150131 17:28:34< zookeeper> WRT the "2 versions later": it's completely pointless to for example deprecate a macro in 1.13.1 and then remove it in 1.13.3 because no one ports UMC from 1.31.1 to 1.13.3.
20150131 17:29:10< zookeeper> it should be more like "in the next development series" (as in, if you deprecate now, it'll be removed in 1.15)
20150131 17:32:19< vultraz> # Tag macros for removal, where VERSION_NAME is the the next development series from the date of deprecation.
20150131 17:33:19< vultraz> good enough?
20150131 17:35:50< vultraz> alright, yes
20150131 17:36:14< irker116> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master b357a39882b7 / data/core/macros/deprecated-utils.cfg: Improved DEPRECATE comment http://git.io/FdV4
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20150131 17:40:58< aquileia> considering boucman introduced auto_[v,h]flip in 1.9.2, it hasn't seen a lot of use... but it's absolutely awesome.
20150131 17:46:56< vultraz> I'm slightly reconsidering 684782eeef08 
20150131 17:47:30< vultraz> It brings up the question why we don't do all death events like that, especially for mcs
20150131 17:47:33< vultraz> which i guess...you could do
20150131 17:47:41< vultraz> but it seems hacky
20150131 17:47:45< vultraz> so I dunno
20150131 17:47:54< vultraz> does shadowm recommend this syntax or not?
20150131 18:04:47< zookeeper> url?
20150131 18:05:17< vultraz> http://git.io/F7wr
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20150131 18:08:39< zookeeper> i take it you mean the idea of putting death [event]s inside the [unit]s themselves rather than including a deaths.cfg in every scenario or somesuch?
20150131 18:09:04< vultraz> yes
20150131 18:09:26< vultraz> especially since in this case there's code duplication because ALL of [object] is written to [unit]
20150131 18:09:30< vultraz> very inelegant
20150131 18:10:39< zookeeper> well, in most cases a deaths.cfg (or similar) is a lot more readable and easier to edit code-wise
20150131 18:10:59< zookeeper> ...because then you have all those death events in the same place, as opposed to littered around everywhere
20150131 18:12:08< vultraz> you could still have the macros and then include them in the [unit] definitions
20150131 18:12:15< vultraz> I dunno
20150131 18:12:32< zookeeper> yeah but that would then be identical to the old way code-wise... except more complicated
20150131 18:12:58< vultraz> except you wouldn't have to have death events in every scenario
20150131 18:13:06< vultraz> that's the only benefit
20150131 18:13:14< zookeeper> yeah, it's a really tiny benefit
20150131 18:13:17< vultraz> and I don't think that's really worth it
20150131 18:13:21< vultraz> so I dunno
20150131 18:13:25< vultraz> I might revert that, oartually
20150131 18:13:28< vultraz> partually
20150131 18:13:29< vultraz> partially
20150131 18:14:04 * zookeeper shrugs
20150131 18:14:25< zookeeper> i don't see a problem with that change, i just wouldn't want you to go on a conversion spree and try to do it everywhere :p
20150131 18:14:33< vultraz> yeah
20150131 18:14:56< Necrosporus> I think death.cfg is ok
20150131 18:15:12< Necrosporus> including it within every scenario is not that hard
20150131 18:15:37< vultraz> you're missing the point here, Necrosporus 
20150131 18:17:12< Necrosporus> Including death definition into [unit] is not OK because consequences of losing of a char is actually dependent of scenario, not of char itself
20150131 18:17:50< Necrosporus> it could even be that losing a char is defeat condition in one scenario and win condition in other
20150131 18:19:08< irker116> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master cf87c150ad82 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/macros.cfg: THoT: compress two [not] blocks in RECALL_VETERAN and added a fallback http://git.io/Fd53
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20150131 18:32:26< aquileia> zookeeper: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/fe4b187f7cf50297
20150131 18:33:06< zookeeper> cool
20150131 18:33:43< aquileia> Never wired in or already replaced?
20150131 18:35:20< zookeeper> oh, right
20150131 18:35:34< zookeeper> i thought you finally committed my ancient WIP :P
20150131 18:36:06< zookeeper> i don't know if it's wired in yet, but it's not been replaced with anything newer
20150131 18:36:31< aquileia> Never wired in, and the code aged a little - should I update it?
20150131 18:36:54< zookeeper> if it needs updating, then sure
20150131 18:37:26< zookeeper> i believe not so long ago i tried to push the job of actually making use of it to vultraz
20150131 18:37:52< vultraz> eh?
20150131 18:37:58< aquileia> I don't know whether we should wire it in - it's more powerful than the new animation for the dragon
20150131 18:38:17< vultraz> aquileia: why not wire it to the dragon! :D
20150131 18:39:03< zookeeper> what new animation?
20150131 18:39:11 * aquileia spent several hours on getting the dragon right...
20150131 18:39:21< vultraz> http://git.io/FdkQ
20150131 18:39:21< zookeeper> master only?
20150131 18:39:28< vultraz> and 1.12
20150131 18:39:55< aquileia> The dragon now doesn't breathe from his belly and there's a little explosion when he hits
20150131 18:40:25< vultraz> I don't see why you can't just replicate the behavior of that with this
20150131 18:42:04< aquileia> vultraz: Because the dragon is extremely large, his mouth has an offset by half a hex - so SE animations go S, S animations go SW, ...
20150131 18:42:39< zookeeper> well the dragon will always look like crap in combat
20150131 18:42:47< aquileia> s/half a hex/one hex
20150131 18:43:16 * vultraz suggests making the dragon our first 6-hex unit :P
20150131 18:43:33< zookeeper> aquileia, doesn't my macro handle that correctly?
20150131 18:43:53< vultraz> anyway im off
20150131 18:44:11< vultraz> shadowm: i've dealt with the typos and will deal with the editor help and wmllint validation on thot tomorrow
20150131 18:45:13< aquileia> oh, you're right, the flame is no longer directional
20150131 18:47:45< zookeeper> yep
20150131 18:48:17< zookeeper> i don't recall how it was supposed to be used though... i suspect the intention was one call for south, one for north
20150131 18:50:52< aquileia> depends on how many DIRECTION_SUFFIX cases you have
20150131 18:58:02< aquileia> zookeeper: Do you want the grey fumes to go upward or in the direction of the blast?
20150131 18:59:49< aquileia> *upwards
20150131 19:00:52< zookeeper> you mean the projectiles/fire-breath-* anim? that should always remain upright
20150131 19:01:04< aquileia> always up?
20150131 19:01:08< zookeeper> yes
20150131 19:01:11< aquileia> ok
20150131 19:01:50< aquileia> I guessedso, but you can never be sure - especially as I didn't do that for the dragon
20150131 19:02:37< aquileia> his breath is so powerful that the gas coninues forward
20150131 19:02:46< aquileia> *continues
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20150131 19:09:34< aquileia> <zookeeper> well the dragon will always look like crap in combat    <-- https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources/master/units/dragon/dragon_attack_se_wip.gif
20150131 19:10:01< zookeeper> yes, that would be infinitely better
20150131 19:10:39< aquileia> pixelmind even said he might animate the mainline dragon, but left before
20150131 19:11:45< aquileia> my favorite was https://github.com/aquileia/wesnoth-resources/blob/master/units/dragon/yummy_goblin.gif
20150131 19:12:32< zookeeper> i've given up all hope of wesnoth ever having any hope of getting out of the animation limbo
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20150131 19:14:04< aquileia> We still have these? https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/core/images/units/human-magi/mage-die-1.png
20150131 19:14:13< bumbadadabum> yeah...
20150131 19:14:14< aquileia> But they're unused 
20150131 19:16:19< aquileia> May I delete them?
20150131 19:17:45< zookeeper> i dunno. i believe they've survived several previous cycles of someone asking whether they should remain :p
20150131 19:19:06< aquileia> I can sympathize with the white one staying, but - a brown robe turning blue, a grey one turning red upon death?
20150131 19:19:17< aquileia> WINR ?
20150131 19:19:40< zookeeper> they're placeholders waiting for someone to update the frames to match the baseframe
20150131 19:20:44< bumbadadabum> ^
20150131 19:20:50< bumbadadabum> they're in an #ifdef UNUSED
20150131 19:21:19< aquileia> I can't find that ifdef...
20150131 19:22:15< zookeeper> __UNUSED or _UNUSED or something IIRC... or maybe they're now in [comment] blocks, i dunno
20150131 19:23:02< aquileia> I suspect these blocks were deleted long ago
20150131 19:23:26< zookeeper> could be
20150131 19:23:44< aquileia> The only hits for 'die' in Mage.cfg are the die sounds
20150131 19:24:13< zookeeper> yep, it's gone
20150131 19:24:39< aquileia> that's the reason I ask about the frames
20150131 19:27:58< zookeeper> seems fairly pointless to keep them when they haven't been updated in the past... 8 years
20150131 19:34:02< aquileia> esr: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/core/macros/animation-utils.cfg#L4 # These don't rely on any other macros. Please don't change this.
20150131 19:35:47< aquileia> The SOUND:HIT_AND_MISS andSOUND:HIT marcos found widespread usein the lower parts - may I complete that contrary to your comment?
20150131 19:35:51 * zookeeper doesn't know why
20150131 19:37:44< aquileia> These two are extremely useful for improving readability after Coffee fixed them (before they didn't work as intended, it seems)
20150131 19:38:53< aquileia> shikadibot_: seen esr
20150131 19:38:54< shikadibot_> aquileia: Queried user esr is currently in this channel.
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20150131 19:47:18< zookeeper> this pepito guy has posted in 4 threads about the same ship XP thing, 3 of those new threads he made...
20150131 19:49:13< ancestral> Well, he did actually paste some code in
20150131 19:49:23< ancestral> So it looks like he’s trying
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20150131 20:25:51< shadowm> vultraz: pastebin.com/kkPesncV
20150131 20:25:57< shadowm> vultraz: http://pastebin.com/kkPesncV
20150131 20:31:52< irker116> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle website:master 9cf933985c44 / start/1.12/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Simplified Chinese translation update http://git.io/FFQz
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20150131 20:33:07< shadowm> Ivanovic: The additional step is just running `pofix.py -w <po file>` on incoming announcement po files, and on `*.html po/*.po*` after a new stable release has been announced and set in pofix's website string-fixes table.
20150131 20:33:22< shadowm> Ivanovic: Anyway, committed.
20150131 20:36:22< Catoptromancy> http://pastebin.com/WnXkEs30
20150131 20:36:43< Catoptromancy> leader spawns are swapped locally, sometimes
20150131 20:37:09< Catoptromancy> after a turn or two, need to leave and reload game to start my player on correct keep
20150131 20:37:22< Catoptromancy> desyncs
20150131 20:38:10< zookeeper> that's all you get?
20150131 20:41:00< Necrosporus> Catoptromancy, run ccmake .. and change build type to Debug
20150131 20:41:26< zookeeper> anyone who knows: what does Catoptromancy need to do in order to produce all the DBG_MP output?
20150131 20:41:27< Necrosporus> there is also an option to enable debug
20150131 20:42:05< Necrosporus> and some command line keys
20150131 20:44:13< zookeeper> maybe just run with -d?
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20150131 20:47:17< Necrosporus> zookeeper, it depends on what you are trying to do. 
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20150131 20:48:22< Necrosporus> -d enables additional commands ingame
20150131 20:48:29< Necrosporus> like inspect
20150131 20:49:13< Necrosporus> But there are also options like log-debug
20150131 20:50:31< Necrosporus> they enable additional logging. maybe ./wesnoth --log-debug mp/main will do
20150131 20:51:15< Necrosporus> or --log-debug mp/* even
20150131 20:51:41< Necrosporus> Catoptromancy, run ./wesnoth --help to learn about additional options
20150131 21:00:49< shadowm> Catoptromancy, zookeeper: --log-debug=mp/* should work, yes.
20150131 21:02:21< shadowm> I just don't know if that'll be enugh in this case since some MP stuff goes into other log domains like config and engine and network.
20150131 21:02:45< zookeeper> the couple ones i was interested in go to DBG_MP
20150131 21:03:12< shadowm> Then mp/* should suffice (assuming DBG_MP was defined in terms of one of those).
20150131 21:03:59< zookeeper> i take it that enabling all domains produces a gargantuan amount of output?
20150131 21:04:10< zookeeper> if not, then might as well do that...
20150131 21:04:33< Necrosporus> shadowm, is it --log-debug=mp/* or --log-debug mp/* ? ./wesnoth --help seem to suggest the latter
20150131 21:04:41< shadowm> Either works.
20150131 21:04:59< zookeeper> okay. so how does one do that? :P
20150131 21:05:14< shadowm> zookeeper: Yes, it's not recommended unless you are logging to a file.
20150131 21:05:48< zookeeper> right
20150131 21:05:50< shadowm> You will get a massive amount of noise, especially from GUI2, filesystem code, the image cache, and the WML parser and preprocessor.
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20150131 21:06:44< zookeeper> i guess i'm happy if i get DBG_MP and LOG_NG
20150131 21:07:14< shadowm> The latter would be --log-info=engine.
20150131 21:08:03 * zookeeper bumps the counter for how many cookies shadowm deserves
20150131 21:08:42< Catoptromancy> ill have to test this later
20150131 21:08:46< Catoptromancy> got commands ready
20150131 21:09:24< shadowm> You can pass both `--log-debug=mp/* --log-info=engine` in the same command line, btw, in case it isn't obvious.
20150131 21:10:33< zookeeper> now, i wonder who i'd have the best chance of convincing to reproduce (with the same output setup) with him...
20150131 21:10:40< aquileia> shadowm: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/game_initialization/connect_engine.cpp#L847  Besides the typo, this assert triggererd when loading HttT S17
20150131 21:11:52< shadowm> aquileia: Okay?
20150131 21:12:39< shadowm> (What do I have to do with this?)
20150131 21:13:18< aquileia> Just thought I'd notify someone in case I forget to issue a bug report of find the problem
20150131 21:14:07< shadowm> Shouldn't you notify the author of that line instead? My memory is rather unreliable these days.
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20150131 21:35:54< gfgtdf> aquileia:i wrote that assertion
20150131 21:36:41< gfgtdf> aquileia: usuallythe save_id should already be set here: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/game_initialization/mp_game_utils.cpp#L61
20150131 21:36:57< gfgtdf> aquileia: which is called from connect_engine s constructor
20150131 21:37:11< aquileia> the last debug output I got was "debug unit: Building unit type Commander, level 5" so I assume it was downhill a long time before
20150131 21:38:21< gfgtdf> aquileia: id you go to that scenario using debug commands or normally?
20150131 21:38:56< aquileia> I :cl'd to the one before, then killed the enemy leader
20150131 21:45:28< gfgtdf> aquileia: and it happens onlyin that scenrio ?
20150131 21:46:12< aquileia> I assume so (could be connected to the random map)
20150131 21:46:24< gfgtdf> aquileia: yes that makes sense
20150131 21:47:02< aquileia> I'm now ':kill'ing my way through to try whether it was caused by skipping prevoius scenarios
20150131 21:47:19< gfgtdf> aquileia: i dontthink so
20150131 21:47:43< gfgtdf> aquileia: beeing relared to randomscenario genertion makes perfectly sense
20150131 21:50:36< aquileia> I went through the campaign and it still crashes, so yes, it's most likely a bug with random maps
20150131 21:51:50< gfgtdf> aquileia: y i already have possible a fix halfcompleted
20150131 21:52:15< aquileia> that's fast
20150131 21:59:00< irker116> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 10af81149338 / src/ (saved_game.cpp saved_game.hpp): fix assertion failure on random scenario generation http://git.io/Fb3f
20150131 21:59:02< irker116> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master dfdd347c0746 / src/hotkey_handler_replay.hpp: fix replay hotkeys (23185) http://git.io/Fb3J
20150131 21:59:03< gfgtdf> aquileia: ^
20150131 21:59:40< gfgtdf> aquileia: it is not tested tohough
20150131 21:59:44< aquileia> Ill try it shortly, I can't pull right now
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20150131 22:46:12< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 9d950c8f4c7c / data/core/macros/animation-utils.cfg: animation-utils: Use auto_vflip=false http://git.io/FbE7
20150131 22:46:14< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master f7d8aac7e23f / data/core/macros/animation-utils.cfg: Define *_FIREBALL in terms of *_FIREBALL_XY http://git.io/FbE5
20150131 22:46:16< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master dbc3b3c8e4cb / data/ (11 files in 3 dirs): Deprecate MISSILE_FRAME_FIREBALL http://git.io/FbEd
20150131 22:46:18< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master e268104f62d0 / data/core/macros/animation-utils.cfg: Fix layer of impact burst for DRAKE_FIRE_ANIM http://git.io/FbEF
20150131 22:46:20< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 500df9282f39 / data/core/images/units/human-magi/ (16 files): Delete unused mage death animations http://git.io/FbEb
20150131 22:46:22< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 01cd01a661f0 / data/core/macros/ (animation-utils.cfg animation-utils2.cfg): Use SOUND:HIT[_AND_MISS] for defend/attack macros http://git.io/FbEN
20150131 22:52:40< irker116> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master ab3ba07053eb / data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/12_A_Final_Spring.cfg: Fixup dbc3b3c8e http://git.io/Fbzs
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20150131 23:30:14< aquileia> gfgtdf: Fix confirmed
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