--- Log opened Sat Jan 10 00:00:50 2015
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20150110 00:40:21< gavenkoa> Hi! How to say message from any of [filter_adjacent] type,side=Peasant,2 [/filter_adjacent]?
20150110 00:40:21< gavenkoa>  
20150110 00:41:29< zookeeper> exactly like that
20150110 00:41:29< gavenkoa> When main person in   [event] name=moveto [filter] id=Father [/filter] and he touch Peasant?
20150110 00:41:29< gavenkoa>  
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20150110 00:42:34< zookeeper> [message] type,side=Peasant,2 [filter_adjacent] id=Father [/filter_adjacent] [/message] is what you want, i guess
20150110 00:43:36< gavenkoa> Wow! [message] allow filters!!!
20150110 00:44:09< zookeeper> sure it does: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InterfaceActionsWML#.5Bmessage.5D
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20150110 01:00:00< gavenkoa> Thanks! Is that possible to save to variable that adjacent unit id (any one from all possible)? So lately I can refer it in filters by "id={stranger}"?
20150110 01:01:16< zookeeper> sure, but it's probably a better idea to use [role] to give the unit a role and then use role=stranger in the filters later
20150110 01:04:03< gavenkoa> please, that syntax is used for saving id? [role] select all units that type. I try to remember exaclty which one person meet...
20150110 01:04:19< gavenkoa> met
20150110 01:04:55< zookeeper> [role] assigns the role only to one unit, not all matching units
20150110 01:05:50< zookeeper> anyway, if you really want to store the id in a variable, then: [store_unit] [filter] ... [/filter] kill=no variable=foo [/store_unit] {VARIABLE stranger $foo.id} {CLEAR_VARIABLE foo}
20150110 01:06:04< zookeeper> after that you can use id=$stranger as a filter
20150110 01:06:32< zookeeper> (and it too works regardless of how many units match the filter)
20150110 01:06:50< zookeeper> anyway, i'm off for the night ->
20150110 01:07:05< gavenkoa> thank!
20150110 01:08:37< gavenkoa> I don't know about [store_unit]. That is a solution! I try to read about [role] on wiki.
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20150110 01:12:43< gavenkoa> also go sleep, 3am (( thanks and bye!
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20150110 03:16:27< mjkr> what is the protocol on which wesnoth is running for multiplayer?
20150110 03:17:46< mjkr> never mind, it's tcp
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20150110 03:28:44< mjkr> however, i'm seeing abnormal disconnections
20150110 03:28:55< mjkr> with a 1240 mtu link
20150110 03:29:36< mjkr> with version 1.12.0
20150110 03:29:41< mjkr> very frequent
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20150110 03:43:13< mjkr> to verify this isn't a server-specific issue, can someone join me on server2 on a game to test?
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20150110 03:44:31< mjkr> hmm, i just got auto disconnect from server 2 and 3
20150110 03:46:14< mjkr> i'm having no nproblem with other tcp based apps though
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20150110 11:11:14< noobie_> What is the % of a recruiting unit randomly getting a specific trait?
20150110 11:24:29< noobie_> I know it might sounds like a stupid question to many of you, but I'm not used to calculate odds other than 1/x
20150110 11:28:57< zookeeper> well, you have 1/x chance of getting it as the first trait, and if you don't, then another 1/x chance of getting it as the second (x being number of possible traits, and assuming a unit with two random traits)
20150110 11:29:36< zookeeper> i'd make a wild guess and say that it's... (this might take a while)
20150110 11:31:35< zookeeper> err... (1 - (1/x)) + (1 - (1 - (1/x))) * (1/x) ? that's probably 1) utterly wrong and 2) needlessly complicated
20150110 11:31:47< noobie_> wait, x can't be the same in both cases! we can't have a unit with having a trait twice
20150110 11:31:56< zookeeper> oh, true enough
20150110 11:32:35< zookeeper> but then it's just 1/(x-1) for the second trait
20150110 11:33:31< noobie_> are you sure it's not just 2/x ?
20150110 11:34:32< zookeeper> i'm not sure of anything :p
20150110 11:35:01< zookeeper> i'm sure you can find a similar formula via google though
20150110 11:35:50< noobie_> searching it as how?
20150110 11:39:19< zookeeper> "probability pool two attempts" seems to bring up some relevant results
20150110 11:39:35< zookeeper> the first result has the committee example
20150110 11:41:11< zookeeper> ...which seems like the exact same case, just with different values
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20150110 11:49:51< noobie_> I'm cheching the google results for "probability calculator" ...
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20150110 13:06:37< Necrosporus> Soliton, if undead is both is 'undeads' a valid form?
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20150110 13:11:20< Necrosporus> zookeeper, noobie_ : it is 1/x + (1-1/x)*1/(x-1)
20150110 13:12:31< gavenkoa> (1-1/x)*1/(x-1) = (x-1)/x*1/(x-1) = x?
20150110 13:14:05< Necrosporus> (x-1) / (x * (x-1)) = 1/x
20150110 13:14:10< Necrosporus> So it's 2/x
20150110 13:17:08< noobie_> so it's 40% for 5 traits (elves) or 50% for 4 traits (orks)
20150110 13:17:49< Necrosporus> Also how do I calculate in case you do not know
20150110 13:20:54< Necrosporus> There are two cases, first trait being X and not X, assuming equal probability for all traits it's 1/x, another possibility is trait is not X which has probability (1-1/x), in this case the probability of second trait being X is 1/(x-1), so total probability of X being second trait is (1-1/x)*1/(x-1) which equal to probability of first trait 1/x
20150110 13:21:13< Necrosporus> And it's 100% for two traits
20150110 13:21:21< Necrosporus> a unit will always have both traits
20150110 13:22:10< Necrosporus> ~67% for three traits
20150110 13:27:53< noobie_> What do you mean 3? Is there a unit having access to only 3 traits?
20150110 13:28:37< zookeeper> i bet he means if the unit gets 3 traits instead of 2
20150110 13:28:58< zookeeper> err
20150110 13:29:30< zookeeper> no, by 100% he meant that if the pool is 2 traits the unit will always have it, but if the pool is 3 traits then there's a 67% chance it'll have it
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20150110 13:30:52< noobie_> I can understand the pool of 2 (undead+fearless), but I can't understand the pool of 3.
20150110 13:43:25< noobie_> unless of course he meant a campaign playing undeads... available traits: fearless, undead and loyal (for Necrophage unit if I remember correct)
20150110 13:46:06< noobie_> and judging by his nickname, that was what he probably meant :-P
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20150110 13:48:25< noobie_> Bottom line, the average Elvish Fighter has 35,4 Hit Points...
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20150110 14:06:08< Necrosporus> noobie_, actually I'm talking about a hypotetical unit with pool of three or two traits
20150110 14:06:27< Necrosporus> I didn't have any real unit in mind
20150110 14:07:02< Necrosporus> noobie_, I do not think necrophages get random traits from this list
20150110 14:07:33< Necrosporus> Actually they always get undead and fearless unless defined with loyal 
20150110 14:08:50< Necrosporus> But there's no problem to define a necrophage with a all traits like undead fearless loyal quick strong dexterous resilient intelligent
20150110 14:10:23< noobie_> Not important anyway. Do you agree with my conclusion on HP?
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20150110 14:42:40< Necrosporus> noobie_, I did not try to calculate it
20150110 14:42:52< Necrosporus> And I'm not sure if it makes sense at all
20150110 14:43:22< Necrosporus> Also most of traits change HP so you have to calculate mean of all possible combinations
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20150110 14:50:06< noobie_> 5 extra HP for resilient trait multiplied by its odds 0,4 to be there + 1 extra HP for strong also multiplied by same 0,4 odds = 0,4 x 6 = 2,4 extra HP for any elvish unit of level 1 (in adition to their initial HP to get the average)
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20150110 14:53:36< noobie_> I'm making a table of average values for every unit in default era, including defence, mobility and resistances (the last one is the hardest)
20150110 14:54:58< zookeeper> why?
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20150110 15:10:38< noobie_> so I can compare units in 1on1 fighting against either random enemies or specific ones
20150110 15:14:36< noobie_> Is there a complete guide for traits anywhere? Goblins seems to have traits which are not mentioned in manual.
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20150110 15:52:54< noobie_> nope, no guide about traits anywhere :/
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20150110 15:59:29< zookeeper> noobie_, eh, yes, traits are in the in-game help
20150110 16:00:08< zookeeper> it's a top-level category, even
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20150110 16:30:35< noobie_> I would like to see a list of available traits for each unit or a list of units can have each traits. There is no such thing in the in-game help (unless you have a newer game version than mine)
20150110 16:34:18< zookeeper> i don't think there is any such list.
20150110 16:36:43< zookeeper> in any case, i fail to come up with any possible real-world uses for information gained by such comparisons between units
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20150110 16:46:03< noobie_> hm... that means you wouldn't like to see my table :-p Nevermind. I was talking about a list of units similar to those used for abilities. The in-game help says "the x ability is available for a, b and c units". Why not for traits too? 
20150110 16:46:54< zookeeper> either because no one thought to add one, or because the list would be obnoxiously long for most traits
20150110 16:47:27< celticminstrel> Most traits don't apply to specific units, do they?
20150110 16:47:33< celticminstrel> Oh wait, "available for".
20150110 16:47:51< celticminstrel> Yeah, that list would include nearly all units.
20150110 16:49:56< noobie_> Then the opposite: "the x unit can have 2 of a, b, c or d traits" on each unit's profile page
20150110 16:53:50< noobie_> I really have trouble to clarify all the goblin
20150110 16:54:23< noobie_> 's traits and some of the undeads
20150110 16:57:08< noobie_> or an update for the manual (it surely doesn't mention them all)
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20150110 17:03:49< Necrosporus> noobie_, you could always take a look in the source
20150110 17:05:24< noobie_> I have no idea how
20150110 17:05:54< Necrosporus> Also look at the goblin help
20150110 17:05:59< Necrosporus> I mean race help
20150110 17:08:32< Necrosporus> noobie_, open file <wesnoth-dir>/data/core/units.cfg and go to line 154
20150110 17:08:44< Necrosporus> They have traits weak, dim and slow
20150110 17:08:55< Necrosporus> but only one of those
20150110 17:09:37< Necrosporus> Common traits are strong, quick, intelligent and resilient
20150110 17:10:05< zookeeper> units.cfg will tell you almost everything
20150110 17:10:32< zookeeper> you can grep in data/core/units for "{TRAIT_" to find unit-specific exceptions (such as heavy infantryman having fearless in their trait pool)
20150110 17:10:41< Necrosporus> trolls are never intelligent but could be fearless
20150110 17:11:27< Necrosporus> Mechanic units has only trait mechanical and undead only trait undead
20150110 17:13:24< Necrosporus> dark mages are never strong
20150110 17:13:53< Necrosporus> corpses and ghouls always fearless, bats and falcons are always feral
20150110 17:14:14< noobie_> wow I need to see these infos! incoming noobie question: how can I find this .cfg file? 
20150110 17:14:32< Necrosporus> Also Naffat line is not strong
20150110 17:14:35< Necrosporus> I wonder why
20150110 17:15:29< Necrosporus> Have ou compiled your wesnot or installed from repo?
20150110 17:15:42< Necrosporus> in any case most probaly /usr/share/wesnoth/
20150110 17:16:55< noobie_> found it while looking for games on ubuntu software center
20150110 17:18:06< Necrosporus> So it's from repository
20150110 17:18:15< Necrosporus> are you running 1.12.0 by the way?
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20150110 17:19:26< noobie_> 1.10.2
20150110 17:21:32< Necrosporus> That's old
20150110 17:21:57< Necrosporus> Latest 1.10 version is 1.10.7 and it's already obsolete 
20150110 17:22:06< Necrosporus> 1.12.0 is latest stable version
20150110 17:24:18< noobie_> yeah I installed it months ago, but only now had time to seriously play it. Why? Does last version has better in-game help?
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20150110 17:26:22< Necrosporus> noobie_, a little
20150110 17:26:29< Necrosporus> but it also features new units
20150110 17:26:36< Necrosporus> And better minimap
20150110 17:26:57< Necrosporus> There are other changes, but I'd say the minimap the best one
20150110 17:27:25< Necrosporus> And some I'd call negative even, I do not like some sprite updates
20150110 17:29:46< noobie_> where did you see the forthmentioned infos about traits? Are they included in the new in-game help?
20150110 17:31:05< Necrosporus> noobie_, I said you, in <wesnoth-dir>/data/core/units.cfg 
20150110 17:31:37< Necrosporus> <wesnoth-dir> is /usr/share/wesnoth most probably
20150110 17:32:16< noobie_> it's not there
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20150110 17:33:22< Necrosporus> noobie_, you are doing something wrong then
20150110 17:33:45< Necrosporus> give me output of ls -ld /usr/share/w*
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20150110 17:40:59< noobie_> says /usr/share/webkitgtk-3.0 and /usr/share/wine .nothing about wesnoth
20150110 17:46:07< Necrosporus> Ok
20150110 17:46:23< Necrosporus> then try locate units.cfg
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20150110 17:49:03< celticminstrel> Necrosporus: Which sprite updates don't you like?
20150110 17:49:41< Necrosporus> I have said it earlier
20150110 17:49:53< Necrosporus> giant scorpions are too big
20150110 17:49:59< Necrosporus> They are just lvl1
20150110 17:50:09< celticminstrel> I see.
20150110 17:50:25< Necrosporus> And lack animation while original sprite had it
20150110 17:50:34< Necrosporus> Also I dislike new horse sprites
20150110 17:50:42< Necrosporus> They are also too big and not animated
20150110 17:51:03< celticminstrel> Besides monsters and horses, what else got new sprites?
20150110 17:51:30< noobie_> with the same command?
20150110 17:51:30< Necrosporus> Lisar and Konrad got new portraits, not sprites though
20150110 17:51:42< Necrosporus> noobie_, `locate wesnoth`
20150110 17:51:45< Necrosporus> it's other command
20150110 17:52:06< celticminstrel> If it's in your PATH you can do `which wesnoth` instead.
20150110 17:52:21< celticminstrel> I dunno if it would be, though...
20150110 17:52:23< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, he's looking for data dir
20150110 17:52:28< celticminstrel> Oh.
20150110 17:52:30< Necrosporus> locate wesnoth/data even
20150110 17:52:39< celticminstrel> Yeah, that sounds better, then.
20150110 17:52:52< Necrosporus> or locate units.cfg
20150110 17:52:56< shadowm> Run wesnoth in terminal, check the first "data directory" line.
20150110 17:53:24< shadowm> Or if you are using 1.12.0, don't do that and just go into Preferences -> General -> Paths instead.
20150110 17:53:37< celticminstrel> He's using 1.10.
20150110 17:53:46< shadowm> Or.
20150110 17:59:30< noobie_> I found it at last! @ /usr/share/games/wesnoth/1.10/data/core/units.cfg
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20150110 18:20:25< noobie_> It doesn't provide all the infos you mentioned :( I think I should switch to 1.12
20150110 18:20:46< celticminstrel> If you're looking in units.cfg, that's the wrong place.
20150110 18:21:28< celticminstrel> Actually, maybe some of the info is there...
20150110 18:21:37< celticminstrel> But each unit has its own .cfg as well.
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20150110 18:22:15< noobie_> What is the right place then?
20150110 18:22:39< celticminstrel> I can't quite remember if there's soemthing like a races.cfg.
20150110 18:23:16< celticminstrel> The races specify default sets of traits.
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20150110 18:23:38< celticminstrel> Each unit's own .cfg file might add additional traits, or even override the defaults.
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20150110 18:36:56< noobie_> but there is no "more possible" traits, besides"must have", right?
20150110 18:38:41< celticminstrel> There could be.
20150110 18:38:45< celticminstrel> I'm not sure.
20150110 18:44:31< noobie_> I can't see that. I need to assume either dim and weak are equally possible with the common traits or these files are missing infos compared to the last version's files
20150110 18:47:11< celticminstrel> Huh?
20150110 18:47:41< celticminstrel> It's entirely possible for a unit to add a trait to the default set that it's allowed to get; I'm just not sure if any of the default units actually do it.
20150110 18:57:29< noobie_> yes Goblins:dim, weak, slow "but only 1 of those" according to Necrosporus I can't see this "but", I can't see Trolls are never intelligent or that mages are never strong. I can't see those.. 
20150110 18:57:45< noobie_> In any case, why does it have to be so hard? Am I really the only one who thinks more details about traits should be included on the manual and/or the in-game help?
20150110 18:59:03< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, units.cfg defines races, so it is it
20150110 18:59:51< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, Heavy Infantry 
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20150110 19:01:05< Necrosporus> noobie_, look at the line 140
20150110 19:01:46< Necrosporus> or 138, 140 and 141-143 to be exact
20150110 19:02:51< noobie_> says "ignore_global_traits=yes" but what that exactly means?
20150110 19:03:04< Necrosporus> It exactly means it
20150110 19:03:12< Necrosporus> goblins do not have global traits
20150110 19:03:24< Necrosporus> which are defined in the beginning of file
20150110 19:03:55< Necrosporus> They only have one trait (line 140) which is dim, weak or slow
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20150110 19:05:06< Necrosporus> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/UnitsWML#.5Brace.5D
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20150110 19:05:18< noobie_> aha! I thought you meant 1 common and 1 of those 3 (like bats with feral)
20150110 19:05:35< Necrosporus> ignore_global_traits: 'yes' or 'no' (default). Determines whether global traits (see [traits] above) are applied. 
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20150110 19:09:18< noobie_> "undead_variation" is for when someone dies by plague?
20150110 19:10:04< zookeeper> yes
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20150110 19:16:44< celticminstrel> I wonder if that works for arbitrary plagues.
20150110 19:18:16< noobie_> I think with some patience I can gather all the info about traits -thank you all for showing me how- but as I said, it shouldn't be so hard... Bye for now. See ya!
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