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20150123 00:03:10< Molt> hey ancestral - about 7 years or so
20150123 00:03:56< Molt> thanks zookeeper!
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20150123 00:17:38< Molt> brb
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20150123 01:24:23< ancestral> Molt: Perhaps you’d like to try my add-on ;-)
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20150123 02:54:14< Molt> ancestral - of course i would!
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20150123 15:54:49< kowalski> hi all
20150123 15:54:56< kowalski> I 'm addicted to this game
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20150123 16:18:53< kowalski> hello guys
20150123 16:19:19< treefeedxavier> Hi
20150123 16:19:50< kowalski> just a test msg , this is the first time I use IRC
20150123 16:20:18< treefeedxavier> kowalski: same
20150123 16:20:42< treefeedxavier> Dear community, I have a question: if _main.cfg have strings with _ (underdash) but not fall in to .po files - what autor of add-on must to do for it?
20150123 16:21:01< treefeedxavier> Если можно по русски.
20150123 16:21:20< kowalski> Russian ? I 'm not Russian
20150123 16:21:49< kowalski> My nickname comes from cartoon
20150123 16:21:50< treefeedxavier> kowalski: Not you - any responder
20150123 16:22:03< kowalski> ok , see ya :)
20150123 16:22:11< treefeedxavier> I know thap pinguin
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20150123 16:26:10< zookeeper> treefeedxavier, not sure what you're asking. do you mean that your strings are not in your .po file even though they should be?
20150123 16:26:35< treefeedxavier> zookeeper: yes
20150123 16:26:44< treefeedxavier> try to explain
20150123 16:27:04< treefeedxavier> I`m translator, not autor
20150123 16:27:05< zookeeper> do you have a #textdomain line at the top of your file?
20150123 16:27:08< zookeeper> oh, right
20150123 16:27:25< treefeedxavier> I just want to help
20150123 16:27:42< zookeeper> then you should tell the author, it's _probably_ a missing #textdomain
20150123 16:28:02< treefeedxavier> No [textdomain]
20150123 16:28:02< treefeedxavier> name="wesnoth-A_Rough_Life"
20150123 16:28:02< treefeedxavier> path="data/add-ons/A_Rough_Life/translations"
20150123 16:28:02< treefeedxavier> [/textdomain]
20150123 16:28:02< treefeedxavier> is on
20150123 16:28:41< zookeeper> yes, but any file containing strings need to have #textdomain wesnoth-A_Rough_Life
20150123 16:28:43< treefeedxavier> O, I see
20150123 16:29:14< treefeedxavier> You right - thanks. I tell to autor to do that.
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20150123 16:38:42< Necrosporus> treefeedxavier, and this line must come above translatible strings
20150123 16:39:13< Necrosporus> if I understand correctly you even could have several texdomain files so lines might come to different textdomains
20150123 16:39:33< Necrosporus> It might be useful if you use common words like bash, fist, bite and so one
20150123 16:39:57< Necrosporus> zookeeper, right?
20150123 16:42:34< treefeedxavier> Necrosporus: That is clear - I allready send PM to campaign autor to do it. Tnx.
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20150123 16:54:33< Necrosporus> I have other question. Do you have to write translatable strings in source in English?
20150123 16:54:59< Necrosporus> I mean what if an addon author couldn't speak English at all?
20150123 16:55:33< Necrosporus> is it possible for him to write strings in his native language and then for someone to translate into english with en.po or something?
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20150123 17:10:53< celticminstrel> I don't see any reason why not?
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20150123 18:11:17< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: that would work, but it hinders any further translations
20150123 18:11:43< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: people are much more likely to speak English + their mother tongue than <random language> + their mother tongue
20150123 18:12:00< Crendgrim> (and always referencing another .po file gets tedious pretty fast)
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20150123 18:30:27< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, what if an addon author knows several languages (two or more including english). Do you think it's better to translate each string immediately it appears or finish the addon first writing everything directly in english and translate it after that?
20150123 18:31:09< Crendgrim> Well, that's what I just said.
20150123 18:31:18< Crendgrim> Write it in English, so it can be translated into other languages more easily.
20150123 18:31:34< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, this is other question
20150123 18:31:53< Necrosporus> what's better to translate immediately or delay translation till first stable version?
20150123 18:32:37< Crendgrim> It's always fun to do work twice.
20150123 18:34:42< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, is there a tool to replace strings in source according to po file?
20150123 18:36:20< Crendgrim> ?
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20150123 19:34:37< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, imagine someone wrote strings in source in his native language, then someone else translated them creating en.po. Is there a way to swap strings like src > hl.po and en.po > src ?
20150123 19:35:09< Necrosporus> by hl.po I mean some language which was used to write translatable strings in source
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20150123 19:35:24< celticminstrel> It sounds possible.
20150123 19:36:04< celticminstrel> But it would need to update any other .po files as well, right?
20150123 19:36:07< Necrosporus> I guess there must be a tool for that?
20150123 19:36:15< celticminstrel> I dunno if there is.
20150123 19:36:34< Necrosporus> celticminstrel, when the addon is written initially there is probably only src in some lang and en.po
20150123 19:36:43< celticminstrel> By "possible" I mean something along the lines of "one could write a script for it in Python/Perl/scripring-language-of-choice".
20150123 19:36:46< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: probably not, because that's a stupid tool
20150123 19:37:04< Crendgrim> You don't want to change the source translatable strings unless necessary
20150123 19:37:14< celticminstrel> I don't see the point of it either.
20150123 19:37:18< Crendgrim> Because each change to those strings will render all derived .po's unusable
20150123 19:37:37< celticminstrel> Which is why I said it'd have to update any other .po files.
20150123 19:37:46< celticminstrel> Possible it may be, but probably a lot harder than it sounds.
20150123 19:38:06< Necrosporus> I do not think there are any other po files
20150123 19:38:10< Crendgrim> as soon as external translation services come into play, you have a larger problem
20150123 19:38:34< Crendgrim> Necrosporus: well, that is a very specific, unlikely usecase.
20150123 19:38:57< celticminstrel> Necrosporus: Are you speaking hypothetically or do you actually have such an add-on?
20150123 19:38:57< Crendgrim> To this imaginary author: Don't be lazy, do it in English from the beginning.
20150123 19:40:47< Necrosporus> Crendgrim, the imaginary author do not know english, but has a friend who does
20150123 19:41:20< Crendgrim> gotta do it manually then.
20150123 19:42:43< Necrosporus> I think it must be quite common though
20150123 19:42:46< celticminstrel> I thinking an en.po is probably better, really.
20150123 19:42:51< celticminstrel> ^think making
20150123 19:43:20< celticminstrel> Because the English version is a translation of the original.
20150123 19:44:01< celticminstrel> If you shove the original off into a .po and put the English translation in the source, then if you need to correct the translation for some reason, the original text will no longer work.
20150123 19:44:25< Crendgrim> "quite common"? I doubt it. All the WML resources are only available in English to the best of my knowledge, so all authors need to speak at least a rudimentary English.
20150123 19:46:51< celticminstrel> Is that really enough for writing dialogue and such, though? Isn't it better for them to write that in the language they're familiar with?
20150123 19:47:17< Crendgrim> sure, then get someone to translate it in-source
20150123 19:47:23< celticminstrel> Why?
20150123 19:47:50< Necrosporus> Another solution would be putting original dialogue into comments above strings
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20150123 21:43:17< lynxlynxlynx> http://youtu.be/BEG-ly9tQGk?t=2m35s <-- isn't this wesnoth music? oO
20150123 21:43:33< lynxlynxlynx> am I mixing stuff up?
20150123 21:44:50< Necrosporus> I think it's too short to recognize
20150123 21:47:51< lynxlynxlynx> maybe bg2 then, if it doesn't ring a bell
20150123 21:48:08< zookeeper> sounds very similar, but i can't really connect those few notes to any wesnoth track
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20150123 22:10:36< shadowm> Nah, it's not.
20150123 22:10:46< shadowm> Not mainline, anyway.
20150123 22:12:06< Necrosporus> I guess this one would be lvl3 archer in Wesnoth?
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