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20150127 03:50:06< Molt> hey ya'll. having a lot of trouble with my code and can't figure it out:
20150127 03:52:40< Molt> I've set it up so when the leader of either two human teams goes to a certain hex a unit is summoned who engages in dialog. That unit was spawned in an earlier turn and then stored/killed - now it is being [unstored_unit]
20150127 03:53:37< Molt> my issue is when I place either of the leaders of the teams on the hex, several units are spawned with the [unstored_unit] - rather than 1
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20150127 04:00:07< vultraz> Molt: pastebin the code, please
20150127 04:02:48< Molt> k. coming right up
20150127 04:09:58< Molt> Here is an excerpt of what is important: https://paste.ee/p/3lfZN
20150127 04:15:38< Molt> i can also paste.ee the full thing, but it is a lot to parse through
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20150127 04:17:32< vultraz> Molt: you really should use wmlindent on your code. makes it a LOT easier to read
20150127 04:17:58< vultraz> 1105 is also a weird delay time
20150127 04:18:01< vultraz> why not 1000
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20150127 04:18:54< vultraz> Molt: ok, I believe the problem is the new turn event
20150127 04:18:57< vultraz> why did you do that?
20150127 04:19:05< vultraz> just stick the filter condition in the moveto event
20150127 04:19:41< vultraz> by having a new turn event with first_time_only=no, you're spawning a new moveto event every turn
20150127 04:20:36< vultraz> I think you may be thinking you're making the moveto event happen on any turn past 6, but in reality, nested events create those events
20150127 04:20:39< Molt> because i don't want that event to happen until after turn 6 (until Ujak first appears on the map and moves to the location where you go to get him)
20150127 04:20:46< vultraz> yes
20150127 04:20:56< vultraz> so stick the filter_condition in the moveto
20150127 04:21:00< vultraz> and it won't work until after turn 6
20150127 04:21:08< Molt> k
20150127 04:21:17< Molt> thanks man. lemme try that
20150127 04:21:33< vultraz> as I said, i think it's creating a copy of the event every turn
20150127 04:21:56< Molt> that sounds right
20150127 04:21:59< Molt> brb
20150127 04:24:46< vultraz> Molt: some reading material http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EventWML#Nested_Events
20150127 04:28:47< Molt> thanks.
20150127 04:28:54< Molt> would this work? http://paste.ee/p/gKkX0
20150127 04:30:25< vultraz> you should use boolean variables for stuff like was_ujak_summoned
20150127 04:30:27< vultraz> ie, yes/no
20150127 04:30:33< vultraz> and should use boolean_equals
20150127 04:32:32< vultraz> WML does not recognize 0/1 as boolean false/true
20150127 04:32:37< vultraz> so it's better to use yes/no
20150127 04:32:42< vultraz> which is better coding practice anyway
20150127 04:32:49< vultraz> 0/1 is ... bleh
20150127 04:32:57< vultraz> what you have would work, yes
20150127 04:33:05< vultraz> but as I said, better coding practice
20150127 04:33:14< Molt> k. yeah, you're right
20150127 04:34:21< vultraz> it's also internally slightly faster to use explicit type_equals checks
20150127 04:35:03< vultraz> see [variable] here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ConditionalActionsWML#Condition_Tags
20150127 04:35:38< vultraz> so for example, if you did need to have a number value, it would be better to use numerical_equals
20150127 04:41:20< vultraz> plain equals= evaluates the value as a string, if you were wondering
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20150127 07:42:42< evening> hi
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20150127 07:52:25< vultraz> hi
20150127 07:57:50< evening> why elensefar so hard?!
20150127 07:58:44< zookeeper> it's not actually hard, i believe it's just the first scenario where one needs some sort of strategy and carefulness :P
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20150127 08:22:15< zookeeper> in any case, the forum is filled with threads about that scenario, just search for "elensefar" and you ought to find plenty of ideas
20150127 08:24:20< evening> thanks
20150127 08:24:30< evening> already did.
20150127 08:25:01< evening> tried most of those strategies before I even read them.
20150127 08:25:20< evening> even charging horsemen
20150127 08:26:09< Appleman1234> evening, sometimes you have to go back and play several other scenarios differently before hand
20150127 08:26:32< zookeeper> only if you have a particularly bad (or in this case, non-existant) recall list and minimum starting gold.
20150127 08:26:42< evening> did that too. The Isle of the Dead really messes things up.
20150127 08:26:49< evening> nice portion thaty.
20150127 08:27:09< Appleman1234> hence the sometimes 
20150127 08:27:12< evening> does recall list really tap your gold?
20150127 08:27:27< zookeeper> recall list doesn't affect your gold in any way
20150127 08:27:28< evening> does it cost to have units to recall?
20150127 08:27:31< evening> oh
20150127 08:28:04< zookeeper> recalling a unit costs 20 gold, and... that's it
20150127 08:28:36< evening> it is a luck thing. Some NPC are so skilled at dodging.
20150127 08:30:59< Appleman1234> luck ? it is the rng 
20150127 08:33:41< DeFender1031> evening, you can also "cheat" by saving before each battle and redoing it until you get a more favorable outcome...
20150127 08:33:59< zookeeper> better not to get into that habit
20150127 08:34:07< zookeeper> it can be hard to get rid of :p
20150127 08:34:22< evening> DeFender1031: don't like that way. I would never lose if I did that.
20150127 08:35:24< evening> it's what I get for playing Challenging though.
20150127 08:35:29< evening> it should be expected.
20150127 08:36:01< DeFender1031> that's not entirely true... i mean, you still have to be smart about your moves. Sure, it's theoretically possible to get every move to be maximum hits for you and no hits for them, but in many cases it's so unlikely that you're never going to see it even if you redo it a thousand times.
20150127 08:36:11< evening> I am going to try a night and day team approach
20150127 08:36:17< evening> hope night team can survive.
20150127 08:36:54< evening> DeFender1031: actually, I used to play it like that back when there were only 4 stories.
20150127 08:37:23< evening> DeFender1031: made the game too easy, then when I played against some humans, my strategy was so flawed.
20150127 08:37:40< DeFender1031> hmm... good point.
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20150127 08:55:52< zookeeper> it's one thing to saveload a few times per scenario, but if it comes routine to constantly do it to avoid any losses or any setbacks, you'll find yourself spending more time in the loading screen than actually playing the game, so i'd imagine it can't be all that fun.
20150127 08:56:00< zookeeper> s/comes/becomes
20150127 09:03:28< ashudal> hi, how do i register my name on the official server?
20150127 09:03:51< zookeeper> register on the forums
20150127 09:04:02< zookeeper> the same login will be used on the multiplayer server
20150127 09:04:20< ashudal> ok, thank you :)
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20150127 12:12:31< Molt> morning ya'll
20150127 12:14:08< Molt> i'm trying to get the side number of the unit who caused the death of a unit. would this work inside of [event] name= last breath?  -->  {VARIABLE myVariableName $second_unit.side}
20150127 12:41:35< zookeeper> yes
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20150127 17:16:09< patwotrik> hmmm
20150127 17:16:29< patwotrik> it would not be so difficult to implement in-game registration?
20150127 17:21:33< zookeeper> implementing a phpbb registration interface in the game sounds awfully hacky and annoying to maintain
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20150127 17:52:52< patwotrik> zookeeper, if you say so
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20150127 17:58:34< DeFender1031> zookeeper, hacking two completely separated systems together is some semblance of secure and foolproof communication? I can't imagine why that would be hacky and annoying...
20150127 17:58:46< DeFender1031> in some semblance*
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