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20150201 01:20:45< Catoptromancy> $ ./wesnoth --log-debug mp/*
20150201 01:20:50< Catoptromancy> played a game with that
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20150201 02:50:41< vultraz> shadowm: btw, can I start removing devfeature1.11 from the wiki now?
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20150201 03:06:40< shadowm> Yes.
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20150201 05:03:10< vultraz> shadowm: I'm not sure what "unit Dwarvish Rune Lord is missing traits type=arcane" means
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20150201 05:04:32< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 51681528bc9a / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/ (13 files): THoT: silence several erroneous wmllint warnings http://git.io/FNEH
20150201 05:04:42< vultraz> besides that, rest should be fixed there ^
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20150201 05:15:58< shadowm> vultraz: It means that the unit has SPECIAL_NOTES_ARCANE in its description but no actual arcane attacks.
20150201 05:21:05< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master eb87bd0e0c25 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/11_The_Court_of_Karrag.cfg: THoT S11: fixup 51681528bc9a http://git.io/FNzx
20150201 05:21:08< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master cea7092e6dbf / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Rune_Lord.cfg: THoT: only show arcane special notes for undead Karrag http://git.io/FNzp
20150201 05:21:13< vultraz> shadowm: ok, done
20150201 06:00:45< vultraz> Hmm
20150201 06:01:06< vultraz> Using ai_algorithm=idle_ai for undiscovered side drops the turn delay by about 4 - 5 seconds
20150201 06:01:11< vultraz> sides in ThoT S12*
20150201 06:01:27< vultraz> I believe I shall do this
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20150201 06:52:43< vultraz> hm...
20150201 06:52:50< vultraz> I need mattsc, damn
20150201 06:54:55< vultraz> yeah, this not working
20150201 07:01:03< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 438c9a378bce / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/08_Fear.cfg: THoT S8: small formatting fixup http://git.io/FNii
20150201 07:01:06< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e3aa2e0121d8 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/characters.cfg: THoT: free upkeep for Angarthing, Ratheln, and Dulcatulos http://git.io/FNiP
20150201 07:01:09< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 39bd4dfc24a8 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: THoT S12: color-coordinate masked dwarf tc and profile variations, and displayed http://git.io/FNiX
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20150201 07:20:17< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9bcb81c69134 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: THoT S12: don't charge Karrag upkeep for his Draug guards http://git.io/FNXp
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20150201 07:22:26< ancientcc> GUI Tool for Editor gui2::twidget. http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=41574
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20150201 07:35:09< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e21804932156 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: THoT S12: glow the teleport runes once they're unlocked http://git.io/FNMc
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20150201 07:44:52< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 348f984a4133 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/12_The_Underlevels.cfg: THoT S12: small format fixup http://git.io/FNDa
20150201 07:51:28< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c7afecb03db2 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/macros.cfg: THoT: tweaked SoRF cannot_use_message http://git.io/FNyG
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20150201 08:05:52< irker269> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c2f35b9daeb8 / data/campaigns/tutorial/scenarios/ (01_Tutorial_part_1.cfg 02_Tutorial_part_2.cfg): T: format fixup http://git.io/FN9m
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20150201 13:25:48< vultraz> SUF lvl: wat http://pastebin.com/m6ev4AXr
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20150201 15:51:18< vultraz> zookeeper: I'm thinking, UNIT is probably another to deprecate if we're getting rid of bare-bones syntax shortcut macros
20150201 15:54:03< zookeeper> i bet everyone and their mom uses UNIT in a gazillion places, so... not really
20150201 15:55:03< vultraz> *shrug* IMO it's like {MESSAGE}, but if you don't think so, ok
20150201 15:57:23< zookeeper> i don't want to deprecate anything that doesn't satisfy all of 1) used very little, 2) particularly confusing if left in and 3) broken in some way and hard to maintain
20150201 15:58:01< vultraz> makes sense
20150201 15:58:55< zookeeper> for example superceding an old animation macro with a new one and deprecating the old is a good example of something that makes sense to do IMO, if the contents of the old one cannot simply be updated and the new one is superior in every way
20150201 16:00:05< zookeeper> on the other hand, i wouldn't mind at all if someone collected all pretty-much-useless shortcut macros into one file which we'd keep just for compatibility
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20150201 16:02:29< zookeeper> but those macros should all be ones ones that we don't use nor should use in mainline (for whatever reason)
20150201 16:03:59< zookeeper> i get 159 matches for "{UNIT " in mainline campaigns so that clearly wouldn't be one of them, nor do i see any reason why one should go and replace all those calls with something else
20150201 16:08:28< Ravana_> I find it likely that people would redefine new {UNIT} if core version is removed
20150201 16:10:21< zookeeper> at least i would probably find it easiest to just put the old core def into my add-on... and then wonder what benefit the deprecation really brought anyone
20150201 16:10:52< Ravana_> exactly
20150201 16:18:18< vultraz> wheww
20150201 16:18:21< vultraz> finally done with this
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20150201 16:18:36< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master aebe2ab8e35a / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/utils/macros.cfg: DiD: removed some unnecessary comments http://git.io/FpJT
20150201 16:18:37< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e0b02406a9c3 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (13 files in 2 dirs): DiD: all-inclusive format fixup, code cleanup, and general refactor http://git.io/FpJk
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20150201 16:22:20< vultraz> Most visible change is that now all teams have proper team names 
20150201 16:22:36< vultraz> no more looking at the status table and seeing side numbers
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20150201 16:24:23< vultraz> In S7, the alarm will be raised on sighting instead of on attack 
20150201 16:25:37< vultraz> couple small string changes, simplified filters
20150201 16:25:39< vultraz> etc etc etc
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20150201 16:28:47< vultraz> hm
20150201 16:31:54< zookeeper> S7 would probably require a more in-depth rewrite at some point. more interesting alarm mechanic or making it possible to sneak through undetected, or something.
20150201 16:33:55< vultraz> If someone can come up with a good sneak gameplay mechanic in wesnoth, I take my hat off to them
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20150201 16:36:21< zookeeper> i guess the current mechanic might be fine; if the guards are strong enough that you can't just beat them all, but must find an opening with scouts and then try to rush through before they all gang up on you, that sounds good enough.
20150201 16:36:34< zookeeper> i'm not sure if that's how it tends to play out currently, i haven't played it in a long time
20150201 16:36:41< vultraz> huh. weird. the formula syntax isn't working here
20150201 16:36:56< vultraz> value=$($turn_number + 50) 
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20150201 16:37:13< vultraz> and value=$(50+$turn_number) is making the turns 501
20150201 16:37:14< vultraz> not 51
20150201 16:37:31< vultraz> Guess I do need a var here...
20150201 16:37:50< zookeeper> + is preprocessor concatenation
20150201 16:37:58< zookeeper> wrap the whole thing in quotes
20150201 16:38:26< vultraz> ah
20150201 16:38:28< vultraz> quotes
20150201 16:39:24< zookeeper> yeah. always use them with formulas :P or any other complicated spells, i'd say
20150201 16:40:38< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 640e1899e9a1 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/11_Descent_into_Darkness.cfg: DiD S11: formula syntax needs quotes http://git.io/FpqZ
20150201 16:43:39< vultraz> I wish I could get rid of this Iceball unit type >_>
20150201 16:43:51< vultraz> it makes the animation awkward anyway
20150201 16:44:54< zookeeper> please do
20150201 16:45:33< zookeeper> couldn't it be replaces with a custom unit anim which just moves a missile farther than 1 hex?
20150201 16:45:42< zookeeper> i'm not sure if it'd work, but that's what i'd try
20150201 16:46:35< vultraz> Not sure how to do that
20150201 16:46:42< vultraz> I guess just a big...image
20150201 16:46:52< zookeeper> or actually i doubt any kind of visible missile is really even required; could just play the usual spellcasting anim and simultaneously play an explosion anim of some kind on the wall
20150201 16:47:45< vultraz> don't you need a fake unit for that
20150201 16:47:55< zookeeper> no, just a regular missile/subanim, but just have offset= go >1.0 or x/y/halo_x/halo_y/something go big enough to take the image as far as it needs to go
20150201 16:48:29< vultraz> maybe I should leave this for aquielia 
20150201 16:49:00< zookeeper> well, no you wouldn't, just place an [item] with an animated halo, and have the last frame be blank with a long duration to prevent it from looping until you remove it
20150201 16:49:24< vultraz> oh right
20150201 16:49:31< vultraz> yeah I do that in my umc
20150201 16:50:24< zookeeper> anyway, as i said i don't know if the offset/etc trick would work
20150201 16:50:45< zookeeper> i believe offset can go >1.0, but as to how much bigger, i don't know
20150201 16:50:47< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 5c6efff527f0 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (_main.cfg units/lich.cfg): DiD: use ENABLE_ANCIENT_LICH instead of a custom unit hack http://git.io/Fp3J
20150201 16:51:54< zookeeper> your adepts aren't supposed to be able to advance to ancient liches
20150201 16:51:58< zookeeper> will that change that?
20150201 16:52:37< vultraz> No, because they use Dark Sorcerer DiD which only advances to necromancer
20150201 16:53:17< zookeeper> oh, right
20150201 16:55:14< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4c2579efcf66 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/11_Descent_into_Darkness.cfg: DiD S11: use Lich instead of Lich DiD for Malin's rebirth type http://git.io/FpsT
20150201 16:55:23< zookeeper> {MODIFY_UNIT (type=Dark Sorcerer DiD) advances_to (Lich,Necromancer)}
20150201 16:55:41< zookeeper> you sure? :P
20150201 16:56:01< vultraz> yeah well that's deliberate
20150201 16:56:20< zookeeper> yes
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20150201 16:56:57< zookeeper> so, is it not true that now your adepts will be able to advance to ancient liches from that scenario onwards?
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20150201 16:58:10< vultraz> It is true, since, you stop recruiting DA DiD and start recruiting DA regular in that scenario
20150201 16:58:53< zookeeper> and previously they couldn't (because ENABLE_ANCIENT_LICH wasn't used), meaning that yes, you changed that? :p
20150201 17:00:38< vultraz> ah. hm. yes. but there isn't really any reason they can't advance
20150201 17:00:55< vultraz> s/can't/shouldn't
20150201 17:01:00< zookeeper> if i'm right, then i'd imagine the cleaner way than simply reverting would be to get rid of ENABLE_ANCIENT_LICH and just set malin's advancement and XP when creating his lich self
20150201 17:01:39< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure the original reasoning is that malin gets to be the big bad lich and it'd be weird if there were others just as big and bad in his troops
20150201 17:01:52< zookeeper> hence only he gets to that stage
20150201 17:02:05< vultraz> you can set advancement in [unit]?
20150201 17:02:14< zookeeper> i'd think so?
20150201 17:02:30 * vultraz checks wiki
20150201 17:03:22< zookeeper> through [modifications] [advance] if not directly. but i'd think directly works too, since i believe i've seen plenty of advancement hacks like that.
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20150201 17:03:45< zookeeper> anyway, i'll go make some dinner since i'm starving soon ->
20150201 17:05:41< vultraz> Lemme test
20150201 17:10:09< vultraz> zookeeper: ah, it does work
20150201 17:10:11< vultraz> :D
20150201 17:10:16< vultraz> but the wiki says nothing about it
20150201 17:13:43< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 586025220150 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (_main.cfg scenarios/11_Descent_into_Darkness.cfg): DiD: enable advancement to Ancient Lich for Malin only http://git.io/FplL
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20150201 17:37:11< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master da6078534d11 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (scenarios/11_Descent_into_Darkness.cfg units/iceball.cfg): THoT S11: improved presentation of Malin's rebirth scene. Gets rid of the Icebal http://git.io/FpEQ
20150201 17:37:51< vultraz> zookeeper: ^
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20150201 17:41:37< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d34bfb3a8501 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/units/ (12 files): DiD: renamed unit files to fit naming convention http://git.io/Fpze
20150201 17:45:05< vultraz> zookeeper: btw, did you ever do your playlist expansion thing on DiD?
20150201 17:47:23< irker098> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e0c4611f60f3 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/12_Endless_Night.cfg: DiD S12: minor format fixup http://git.io/FpgX
20150201 17:51:13 * vultraz off
20150201 17:59:51< zookeeper> vultraz, nope, i've been waiting on the music bug to be properly fixed
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20150201 18:59:01< vultraz> zookeeper: which one?
20150201 18:59:56< zookeeper> https://gna.org/bugs/?23065
20150201 19:01:53< zookeeper> i'd often like to add situational music (but to play once _after_ the current track, not by interrupting) or to have the story screen music play out before switching to regular playlist
20150201 19:11:01< vultraz> I see
20150201 19:14:44< vultraz> is immediate= supposed to default to yes or no?
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20150201 19:18:09< vultraz> zookeeper: if it's supposed to default to no, then the behavior in your comment #2 is to be expected, isn't it?
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20150201 19:22:06< zookeeper> i don't know what it's supposed to default to
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20150201 19:22:31< zookeeper> probably no
20150201 19:22:43< vultraz> I would guess so as well
20150201 19:22:48< vultraz> the wiki doesn't say
20150201 19:23:18< vultraz> in that case, if you add immediate=yes to INTRO_AND_SCENARIO_MUSIC that goes away
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20150201 19:28:22< zookeeper> well i don't recall whether i tried that or not
20150201 19:28:45< vultraz> I just tried it, and story music them immediately starts playing
20150201 19:30:07< vultraz> then*
20150201 19:30:37< zookeeper> hmh
20150201 19:36:57< zookeeper> you're right
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20150201 19:41:48< zookeeper> it still has one side-effect though: for example with that macro, SCENARIO_MUSIC won't start playing first after the intro music: the chosen track will be random.
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20150201 19:45:47< vultraz> zookeeper: that doesn't happen for me...
20150201 19:49:56< vultraz> just tested it, and the specified track starts playing after the intro 
20150201 19:50:32< zookeeper> well my build's a month old, but nothing should have changed between now and then
20150201 19:50:49< zookeeper> you sure it's not just the randomization giving you that track?
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20150201 19:52:53< vultraz> yeah
20150201 19:53:12< zookeeper> right. because for me it's random.
20150201 19:53:40< vultraz> random from all music or random from the playlist?
20150201 19:55:19< zookeeper> umm... from the playlist, of course
20150201 19:55:51< vultraz> well I dunno then
20150201 19:56:18< vultraz> It doesn't happen to me. Need a third party to confirm or deny this
20150201 19:56:29< vultraz> in the meantime, shouldn't we commit the immediate=yes thing?
20150201 19:58:10< zookeeper> i don't know, depends on whether we want to need to do that or not?
20150201 19:59:13< vultraz> well it makes sense
20150201 19:59:36< vultraz> music that should play immediately should be specified as such
20150201 20:04:47< zookeeper> hmhmhm
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20150201 20:05:30< zookeeper> yeah i guess i agree
20150201 20:10:46< irker098> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 f5143225d989 / changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth/zh_TW.po: updated Chinese (Traditional) translation http://git.io/Fhc3
20150201 20:10:48< irker098> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 130117284c2f / / (5 files in 4 dirs): updated Chinese (Traditional) translation http://git.io/Fhcs
20150201 20:20:33< zookeeper> i'm mainly wondering what the right course of action for 1.12 would be. i'd hate to leave it as-is, or to break compatibility (even if plain [music] tags at scenario level are presumably really rare)
20150201 20:22:18< vultraz> well
20150201 20:22:35< vultraz> either we restrict this change to master
20150201 20:23:05< vultraz> or we say that starting in 1.12.2 toplevel [music] will need immediate=yes
20150201 20:23:13< vultraz> that's really the only two options
20150201 20:26:55< zookeeper> unless in 1.12 one checks for whether the tag is scenario-level and then treats it differently
20150201 20:27:10< vultraz> I...suppose that could be done
20150201 20:27:19< vultraz> if someone wanted to add extra code to the backport
20150201 20:29:09< zookeeper> yep
20150201 20:29:18< zookeeper> sounds like something that might not be complicated to add
20150201 20:30:59< vultraz> Leave a note on the bug
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20150201 20:35:47< Catoptromancy>  ./wesnoth --log-debug=mp/* --log-info=engine
20150201 20:36:04< Catoptromancy> I have been running that, but cannot find a logfile
20150201 20:38:30< vultraz> Catoptromancy: should be in your stderr file
20150201 20:38:37< vultraz> what os?
20150201 20:38:47< Catoptromancy> linux
20150201 20:38:55< zookeeper> vultraz, yeah i'll add one
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20150201 20:40:26< vultraz> hm, not sure where it is on linux
20150201 20:40:27< vultraz> though
20150201 20:40:35< vultraz> I think it's supposed to output in console?
20150201 20:40:54< Catoptromancy> ive posted a pastebin, people said to use that command
20150201 20:40:57< Catoptromancy> for more info
20150201 20:42:21< zookeeper> yes, i'd expect that you need to redirect the output to a file
20150201 20:42:57< zookeeper> which i'd recall you could do by ending the command with > filename
20150201 20:43:13< zookeeper> but what do i know, it's been too long since i've had to do it
20150201 20:43:40< Catoptromancy> ya was empty file
20150201 20:43:52< Catoptromancy> maybe specific errors get added to file
20150201 20:45:26< Catoptromancy>  ./wesnoth --log-debug=mp/* --log-info=engine > log
20150201 20:45:32< Catoptromancy> ill try that later on
20150201 20:46:15< Catoptromancy> but seems like it would just copy console to a txt anyway
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20150201 20:55:20< Catoptromancy> ah got a Debug build working too
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20150201 23:13:03< irker098> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 0d8957dae822 / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/Fhp4
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20150201 23:35:22< Catoptromancy> ok im testing that bug soon 
20150201 23:35:23< Catoptromancy> heh
20150201 23:35:28< Catoptromancy> or desync 
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20150201 23:40:25< zookeeper> vultraz, you couldn't be persuaded to test something with Catoptromancy with a 1.12 debug build, would you?
20150201 23:40:37< Catoptromancy> ill test
20150201 23:41:14< zookeeper> yes, but it'd be most helpful to also have the same output from someone else
20150201 23:42:22< Catoptromancy> my log isnt owrking though
20150201 23:42:34< Catoptromancy> tons more stuff is getting spammed to console
20150201 23:42:51< Catoptromancy>  ./wesnoth --log-debug=mp/* --log-info=engine > log
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20150201 23:43:03< Catoptromancy> $ cat log
20150201 23:43:03< Catoptromancy> bash-4.2$ 
20150201 23:44:21< zookeeper> Catoptromancy, maybe relevant: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=465173#p465173
20150201 23:44:52< Catoptromancy> ah yesss
20150201 23:45:53< Catoptromancy> $ cat log
20150201 23:45:53< Catoptromancy> Battle for Wesnoth v1.12.1
20150201 23:46:05< Catoptromancy> does a Debug build say it anywhere?
20150201 23:46:13< Catoptromancy> --version and such
20150201 23:46:27< Catoptromancy> or just that it spams console means its debug build
20150201 23:47:28< zookeeper> i don't know, i'd imagine it probably doesn't specifically identify itself as such
20150201 23:47:39< Catoptromancy> if someone makes a random bot server with 9 players, that should trigger my bug fast
20150201 23:48:31< Catoptromancy> i did a solo multiplayer, but it worked
20150201 23:48:36< Catoptromancy> think someone else needs to host
20150201 23:49:21< zookeeper> yes
20150201 23:49:39< zookeeper> i don't have much time right now, but i think i can host one or two...
20150201 23:49:54< Catoptromancy> should take only one or two
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20150201 23:52:18< zookeeper> ok, let's see...
20150201 23:54:36< zookeeper> so, uh, got a pastebin? :P
20150201 23:55:45< Catoptromancy> http://www.geocities.ws/catodemos/wesnoth/
20150201 23:55:59< Catoptromancy> save game and log
20150201 23:56:20< zookeeper> cool, thanks
20150201 23:56:35< zookeeper> gfgtdf, interested in looking into the OOS bug more?
20150201 23:56:44< Catoptromancy> sure
20150201 23:56:54< Catoptromancy> always down for fixing my favorite games heh
20150201 23:57:20< Catoptromancy> er
20150201 23:57:22< zookeeper> no that was a name, not me randomly mashing the keyboard :P
20150201 23:57:37< Catoptromancy> rofl just googled that, thought it was acronym
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