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20150202 00:00:01< zookeeper> i have to go in a few minutes, so i'll just record my current non-coder thoughts here:
20150202 00:00:40< zookeeper> his client is modifying the leader placement (info engine: modifying placing... etc), and i wonder whether the other clients 1) do the same but with different results or 2) don't do it at all
20150202 00:05:11< zookeeper> wait, what... in the savegame in above url, the [replay_start] and [snapshot] contain different map_data... not the starting positions, but the actual terrains.
20150202 00:05:24< zookeeper> that's probably unrelated, but still
20150202 00:06:44< zookeeper> oh right, that's SCATTER_EMBELLISHMENTS
20150202 00:06:47< zookeeper> nevermind
20150202 00:07:14< zookeeper> _but_
20150202 00:07:24< zookeeper> that macro does use rand in prestart
20150202 00:07:32< zookeeper> i dunno if that'd be relevant
20150202 00:08:14< zookeeper> (that macro is used by random map generators, and this bug only happens on random maps...)
20150202 00:13:34< zookeeper> yeah that'll the next on the list of things to try... tomorrow
20150202 00:15:01< gfgtdf> zookeeper: prestart,preload events happen between [replay_start] and [snapshot]
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20150202 00:22:33< gfgtdf> zookeeper cant you just check the log file from the other client if you want to know whether the  other clients 1) do the same but with different results or 2) don't do it at all ?
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20150202 07:11:12< Catoptromancy> more info on OOS glitch
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20150202 07:12:41< Catoptromancy> sometimes swaps me with other player, usually swaps me with a bot, 
20150202 07:12:54< Catoptromancy> just now my keep spawn was fine, but 2 bots swapped
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20150202 08:43:37< Catoptromancy> <Catoptromancy> sometimes swaps me with other player, usually swaps me with a bot, 
20150202 08:43:37< Catoptromancy> <Catoptromancy> just now my keep spawn was fine, but 2 bots swapped
20150202 08:44:52< Catoptromancy> heh
20150202 08:45:04< Catoptromancy> i got git repo debug build also
20150202 08:48:09< zookeeper> great
20150202 08:48:49< zookeeper> right now i just want to test something on my end, you don't need to do anything but join and see if it desyncs
20150202 08:49:14< zookeeper> it's up
20150202 08:52:30< Catoptromancy> got a log of that 
20150202 08:52:47< zookeeper> and again...
20150202 08:54:01< zookeeper> looks like my hunch wasn't correct
20150202 08:54:17< zookeeper> thanks for the test, but no luck this time :P
20150202 08:54:41< Catoptromancy> np
20150202 08:58:09< vultraz> zookeeper: I don't actually have a 1.12 build, so I can't help
20150202 08:58:32< Catoptromancy> 1.13?
20150202 08:58:56< vultraz> I have a 1.13 build
20150202 08:59:12< Catoptromancy> me too
20150202 08:59:15< Catoptromancy> we can test on it
20150202 08:59:26< zookeeper> Catoptromancy, oh wait, actually can you join once more?
20150202 08:59:32< Catoptromancy> ok
20150202 09:01:10< zookeeper> Catoptromancy, ok, now i'm really out of ideas :p
20150202 09:01:14< Catoptromancy> = (
20150202 09:01:30< Catoptromancy> i got logs and save games of all of those
20150202 09:03:40< zookeeper> yeah, as i said no need
20150202 09:03:50< zookeeper> or at least i doubt i'd get anything new from them
20150202 09:04:58< zookeeper> maybe we should at least rule out the possibility that it's the strong AI though, since i very much doubt that it has anything to do with it...
20150202 09:12:16< Catoptromancy> hmm
20150202 09:13:11< zookeeper> if you just happen to have nothing better to do, we can do that now :P
20150202 09:13:22< Catoptromancy> sure
20150202 09:14:17< zookeeper> yep, it's not the strong AI
20150202 09:14:20< Catoptromancy> woah that one desynced really fast
20150202 09:14:27< Catoptromancy> almost instantly
20150202 09:14:36< zookeeper> i moved my deathblade on the first turn
20150202 09:14:40< zookeeper> so that'd have desynced it
20150202 09:14:50< Catoptromancy> not always
20150202 09:15:14< Catoptromancy> ahh something else
20150202 09:15:17< zookeeper> hmh?
20150202 09:15:34< Catoptromancy> we figure out if 2 players are swapped, not bots
20150202 09:15:47< Catoptromancy> if I am swapped with other player, I tell him to not move off keep
20150202 09:15:55< Catoptromancy> when he is on keep, I can still recruit
20150202 09:16:01< Catoptromancy> so I do not lose a turn
20150202 09:16:15< Catoptromancy> when he moves off keep, I can no longer recruit
20150202 09:16:19< zookeeper> ...wot? player 2 can recruit on 1's turn? :P
20150202 09:16:46< Catoptromancy> no its my turn, but game thinks I am off keep since other player has moved
20150202 09:17:06< zookeeper> so which side are you?
20150202 09:17:18< Catoptromancy> ? side?
20150202 09:17:22< zookeeper> 1 or 2?
20150202 09:17:28< Catoptromancy> umm 
20150202 09:17:39< Catoptromancy> we play team 1 and team 2
20150202 09:18:12< Catoptromancy> ill say player 1 starts his turn, recruits, does not leave keep
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20150202 09:18:29< Catoptromancy> now its player 2 turn, he can recruit because player 1 did not leave keep
20150202 09:18:47< Catoptromancy> once game desyncs, and the save is reloaded
20150202 09:18:57< Catoptromancy> my local game has the players swapped
20150202 09:19:09< zookeeper> right
20150202 09:19:10< Catoptromancy> and then we can keep playing
20150202 09:19:19< Catoptromancy> we can test some more
20150202 09:19:32< Catoptromancy> you will see some bots move to a village without recruiting
20150202 09:19:35< zookeeper> what happens when you try to recruit, but can't? does it say that you don't have your leader on a keep, or what?
20150202 09:19:42< Catoptromancy> yes
20150202 09:19:55< Catoptromancy> "need leader on keep to recruit"
20150202 09:20:04< Catoptromancy> its because swapped player was off keep
20150202 09:20:06< zookeeper> well that's pretty odd indeed
20150202 09:20:23< Catoptromancy> game thinks I am other player
20150202 09:20:40< Catoptromancy> no,
20150202 09:20:53< Catoptromancy> something like that
20150202 09:21:37< Catoptromancy> heh
20150202 09:21:46< Catoptromancy> got quick way to see that
20150202 09:21:59< zookeeper> i'd have thought that if your client thinks your leader is on a keep, you can recruit. i don't understand how it could simultaneously have your leader on a keep but still prevent you from recruiting.
20150202 09:22:37< Catoptromancy> my real keep has a different leader on it
20150202 09:22:40< zookeeper> and yeah i'd very much like to see that
20150202 09:22:47< Catoptromancy> 9 player game, no bots
20150202 09:23:08< Catoptromancy> 6 player actually
20150202 09:23:13< Catoptromancy> dont want to desync so fast
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20150202 09:28:52< Catoptromancy> no idea
20150202 09:28:57< Catoptromancy> seems bot related
20150202 09:31:09< Catoptromancy> not bot related heh
20150202 09:31:51< Catoptromancy> about 10% of the games I see a bot move to a village without recruiting
20150202 09:32:04< Catoptromancy> not sure what to test now
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20150202 09:32:43< zookeeper> i'm running out of things to try
20150202 09:33:48< zookeeper> maybe if you can reproduce it with vultraz on 1.13 and both produce a log with the same output options
20150202 09:33:56< Catoptromancy> heh and 10% of the games, I am forced to not recruit my first turn
20150202 09:34:22< Catoptromancy> sleeping soon, so needs to be quick
20150202 09:34:58< Catoptromancy> well 
20150202 09:35:06< vultraz> can't right now
20150202 09:35:08< Catoptromancy> now it is definitely not bots fault
20150202 09:35:15< Catoptromancy> we played all players
20150202 09:36:15< zookeeper> better to just try to figure out what causes the desync first. maybe that's the root cause for the castle/recruitment/whatever problem too
20150202 09:36:30< zookeeper> and getting that log from both clients when it happens ought to help
20150202 09:37:13< Catoptromancy> whoever does code can look at the symptoms, and figure out the real cause faster
20150202 09:37:44< Catoptromancy> actually....
20150202 09:37:52< Catoptromancy> does anyone else have this problem
20150202 09:38:07< zookeeper> yes, i'd like the logs for the benefit of whoever will look at the code :p
20150202 09:38:09< Catoptromancy> or entirely may computer
20150202 09:38:14< zookeeper> not that i've heard, so far it's only you
20150202 09:38:27< Catoptromancy> but we play with lots of bots
20150202 09:38:46< Catoptromancy> does anyone really play with 9 bots?
20150202 09:38:54< Catoptromancy> or 4 bots
20150202 09:39:13< Catoptromancy> the more players/bots the much more likely and faster it desyncs
20150202 09:39:19< zookeeper> i bet someone does. besides haven't we established that it doesn't require bots?
20150202 09:39:34< Catoptromancy> but bots fill slots
20150202 09:39:37< zookeeper> you just said that you've swapped castles when there were only two players
20150202 09:39:42< Catoptromancy> no
20150202 09:39:47< Catoptromancy> it was 3v3
20150202 09:39:49< zookeeper> oh
20150202 09:39:53< Catoptromancy> 2 players on one team
20150202 09:40:04< Catoptromancy> so 4 bots
20150202 09:40:14< zookeeper> well, the more sides there are, the more likely it is that it desyncs
20150202 09:40:24< zookeeper> (probably)
20150202 09:40:35< Catoptromancy> heh another factor to figure out
20150202 09:45:14< Catoptromancy> http://www.geocities.ws/catodemos/wesnoth/
20150202 09:46:11< Catoptromancy> warning replay: Warning: Move destination 12,36 appears occupied.
20150202 09:46:19< Catoptromancy> ahhh thats what forces a desync
20150202 09:46:38< zookeeper> no, that's a symptom
20150202 09:46:47< Catoptromancy> well ya,
20150202 09:47:03< Catoptromancy> if players moved in a very specifc way, then it takes longer to desync
20150202 09:47:14< Catoptromancy> only when recruits are overlapped
20150202 09:47:25< Catoptromancy> or leader moves from keep on second turn
20150202 09:47:53< zookeeper> yes, the OOS is only reported once the clients disagree on whether a given move should be possible
20150202 09:48:37< zookeeper> oh wait, jenkins gives debug builds
20150202 09:48:49< zookeeper> this means i could have been doing this myself all this time. oh well...
20150202 09:49:11< zookeeper> up for one more quick test before you leave? :P
20150202 09:49:15< Catoptromancy> sure
20150202 09:51:28< zookeeper> got the log for that one?
20150202 09:51:33< zookeeper> hopefully the last one i'll need
20150202 09:51:37< Catoptromancy> didnt log
20150202 09:51:42< Catoptromancy> can do again
20150202 09:51:45< zookeeper> oh, okay
20150202 09:51:47< zookeeper> well... sure
20150202 09:55:48< Catoptromancy> uploaded
20150202 09:56:08< zookeeper> great, thanks
20150202 09:57:03< zookeeper> yeah... see, this is mine:
20150202 09:57:04< zookeeper> 20150202 11:52:16 info engine: modifying placing...
20150202 09:57:05< zookeeper> 20150202 11:52:16 info engine: placing side 2 at 36,4
20150202 09:57:14< zookeeper> and this is yours:
20150202 09:57:15< zookeeper> 20150202 04:52:19 info engine: modifying placing...
20150202 09:57:15< zookeeper> 20150202 04:52:19 info engine: placing side 4 at 36,4
20150202 09:58:15< zookeeper> figuring out why our clients decided to pick a different side for the same castle i'll leave to a coder :p
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20150202 10:06:22< irker472> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1429269c4681 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (13 files in 2 dirs): DiD: split main character stats into their own macros http://git.io/beQO
20150202 10:10:19< zookeeper> vultraz, eh, you sure you want to remove quotes around namings with ''s in them?
20150202 10:10:37< zookeeper> s/namings/id's
20150202 10:15:11< zookeeper> they've been put there for a reason, and i don't recall for what purpose exactly and whether it's still necessary, hence the question :p
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20150202 10:18:44< aquileia> vultraz: Doesn't that mean that g
20150202 10:19:09< aquileia> malin_old*.png won't appear anymore?
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20150202 10:23:48< vultraz> aquileia: no, since there's a modify_unit 
20150202 10:24:07< vultraz> for some reason, specifying it in [side] doesn
20150202 10:24:10< vultraz> t work
20150202 10:24:12< vultraz> I don't know why
20150202 10:24:45< vultraz> zookeeper: I'm only unquoting ids
20150202 10:24:46< zookeeper> that's because most of the leader unit keys in [side] are only used if the leader needs to be created
20150202 10:24:47< vultraz> zookeeper: not names
20150202 10:25:04< vultraz> names are translatable and therefor always have quotes
20150202 10:25:10< zookeeper> yes, hence the s/namings/id's
20150202 10:25:48< vultraz> oops
20150202 10:25:51< zookeeper> if you know that a ' doesn't cause any problems in unquoted values then it's fine
20150202 10:26:01< vultraz> I didn't mean to commit this https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1429269c468169e74d3ec863c5d92725bc76c773#diff-abbd81b63e0f70e84bae8cd3a9dfe52cR142
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20150202 10:54:43< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20150202 10:56:13< vultraz> hey Elvish_Hunter 
20150202 10:56:49< Elvish_Hunter> Hi vultraz!
20150202 10:58:45< vultraz> sup?
20150202 11:00:02< Elvish_Hunter> I just had an idea about how to improve the [objectives] tag...
20150202 11:00:22< vultraz> oh?
20150202 11:00:35< Elvish_Hunter> Usually, inside [objectives], we put [objective] condition=win/lose
20150202 11:00:51< Elvish_Hunter> What if, instead, we could just put [win] or [lose]?
20150202 11:02:04< vultraz> why not [objective_victory] and [objective_defeat] or just [victory] and [defeat]
20150202 11:03:17< Elvish_Hunter> Yes, the exact name of the tag isn't that important; but with my idea, the tag name matches the old condition= key.
20150202 11:03:49< Elvish_Hunter> Of course, I won't remove [objective]: these two tags will be like 'syntactic sugars'.
20150202 11:04:02< Elvish_Hunter> What's your opinion about it?
20150202 11:04:04< vultraz> You'd have to talk to zookeeper 
20150202 11:04:10< vultraz> I'm fine either way
20150202 11:04:58< zookeeper> i'm not enjoying being against everything all the time, but what exactly would be the point?
20150202 11:05:19< irker472> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master be93799aaafb / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (13 files in 2 dirs): DiD: improved death macros names and stuck them near the top of the scenario fil http://git.io/bvkA
20150202 11:05:22< irker472> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 14b661d3cd29 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/04_Beginning_of_the_Revenge.cfg: DiD S4: fixup 1429269c4681, reverted a change I committed accidentally http://git.io/bvkp
20150202 11:05:25< irker472> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 288c307a9dd2 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/11_Descent_into_Darkness.cfg: DiD S11: use GENERIC_UNIT for the cave creatures, meaning CAVE_GUARD can now be  http://git.io/bvkh
20150202 11:05:53< Elvish_Hunter> zookeeper: mainly less typing, of course. Without the need to use a macro.
20150202 11:06:47< zookeeper> surely the typing saved by that in a year is less than the typing needed to implement it
20150202 11:08:08< zookeeper> i fail to see the point in spending time on something like that when the benefit is so microscopic... the game is full of actual player-facing things in need of fixing or improvement
20150202 11:08:47< vultraz> the coding could be done in 5 minutes
20150202 11:08:52< vultraz> I just looked
20150202 11:09:14< zookeeper> you're going to have at worst a handful of sets of objectives per scenario, meaning that's one of the things least in need of things to make them faster to type
20150202 11:09:32< Elvish_Hunter> Well, the things is that I have an implementation ready for this. It was pretty much question of moving some lines inside a Lua closure...
20150202 11:10:30< zookeeper> it's still more code to maintain forever
20150202 11:11:25< vultraz> ya know, I really can't decide if I want death macros at the beginning or the end of the scenario files
20150202 11:11:33< vultraz> why do I obsess about these things >_>
20150202 11:12:58< zookeeper> i don't know :p i know that i used to obsess about exact formatting and optimal prettiness of code once
20150202 11:13:13< Elvish_Hunter> Well then, in case that someone wants to take a look, here there is the new objectives.lua: http://pastebin.com/VBMGAFP8
20150202 11:13:44< vultraz> zookeeper: decide for me. beginning or end?
20150202 11:14:00< vultraz> I'm leaning toward beginning
20150202 11:14:02< zookeeper> vultraz, whichever is more common currently!
20150202 11:14:30< vultraz> hm
20150202 11:14:30< zookeeper> or just stop obsessing about them and don't move them at all
20150202 11:14:33< vultraz> ok that would be bottom
20150202 11:14:39< zookeeper> if you need to put in new ones, then the more common place
20150202 11:14:47< vultraz> yeah definitely bottom
20150202 11:15:17< vultraz> sooo I need to fixup be93799aaafb then
20150202 11:16:55< vultraz> I should document my standards somewhere 
20150202 11:18:26< irker472> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 32cb83ba64be / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/ (11 files): DiD: fixup be93799aaafb ... moved death macros back down because I'm obsessive http://git.io/bvqr
20150202 11:18:38< vultraz> ok, next todo..
20150202 11:37:56< Elvish_Hunter> Well, now I have to go. Bye!
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20150202 11:58:23< vultraz> actually
20150202 11:58:28< vultraz> zookeeper: can I assign this to you :P http://pastebin.com/RntGEqgz
20150202 11:58:35< vultraz> THoT S5
20150202 11:59:12< zookeeper> THoT, eh? eh...
20150202 11:59:18< zookeeper> besides why does it need refactoring?
20150202 11:59:40< vultraz> I feel it could be simpler
20150202 11:59:55< zookeeper> yes, but i'm not going to refactor something like that just because it could be a bit simpler
20150202 12:00:14< zookeeper> if it works and isn't completely obnoxious, then it's fine
20150202 12:00:32< vultraz> alright
20150202 12:00:38< vultraz> guess I'll do a few syntax things, then
20150202 12:00:43< vultraz> [elseif] for example
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20150202 12:36:41< vultraz> hm
20150202 12:36:44< vultraz> this logic is weird
20150202 12:37:58< vultraz> oh, 5 are the bandits
20150202 12:41:13< vultraz> so I can split this into two events
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20150202 14:02:59< vultraz> . . . huh
20150202 14:04:27< vultraz> this is...weird
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20150202 14:07:25< irker472> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c17ce20931a5 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/05_Invaders.cfg: THoT S5: refactored and simplified bandit spawning on village capture http://git.io/bffg
20150202 14:07:47< vultraz> ok, need to test sometime...
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20150202 14:11:22< vultraz> . . .
20150202 14:11:24< vultraz> wha
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20150202 14:13:23< vultraz> weird
20150202 14:13:28< zookeeper> you're still in the habit of pushing first and testing later?
20150202 14:13:42< vultraz> It's not that commit
20150202 14:14:21< vultraz> in either version of the code, sometimes, randomly, if you start the scenario again from a SoS save, and try to capture a village you did in the previous run, the event wont fire
20150202 14:15:02< zookeeper> and you'd expect the randomization to work the same as in the previous run, because..?
20150202 14:16:11< vultraz> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20150202 14:16:14< vultraz> jesus
20150202 14:16:20 * vultraz kicks himself
20150202 14:16:25< vultraz> 0..2
20150202 14:16:27< vultraz> of course
20150202 14:16:29< vultraz> ugh
20150202 14:16:35< vultraz> and here I'm thinking something's wrong
20150202 14:18:43< vultraz> zookeeper: thanks >_<
20150202 14:18:53 * vultraz facepalm facepalm facepalm
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20150202 14:51:41< vultraz> zookeeper: appears there's some reason, then
20150202 15:01:09< vultraz> I think I'll tackle AOI next
20150202 15:02:39< zookeeper> if you must
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20150202 21:43:28< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 5c8005f21b58 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/ (7 files): AOI: initial format revamp http://git.io/bTb7
20150202 21:43:29< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 35d6d376ab67 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/04_Valley_of_Trolls.cfg: AOI S4: simplified shroud removal http://git.io/bTb5
20150202 21:43:30< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d72ec1c43e10 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (3 files in 2 dirs): AOI: used herodeath macros where appropriate. TODO: see if can merge Linaera's d http://git.io/bTbd
20150202 21:43:33< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9e316fe4833a / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/ (5 files): AOI: removed unnecessary fog and shroud keys http://git.io/bTbb
20150202 21:43:38< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 2f4ab180be25 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (8 files in 2 dirs): AOI: split Erlornas and Linaera into their own macros http://git.io/bTbN
20150202 21:43:39< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 7e4cf428b0ab / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (scenarios/05_Linaera_the_Quick.cfg utils/characters.cfg): AOI: set Linaera's Loyal trait in her cs macro http://git.io/bTbA
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20150202 21:43:45< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master cc6db862355b / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (4 files in 2 dirs): AOI: used Erlornas's death event from S3 as his standard one when no custom one  http://git.io/bTbp
20150202 21:43:48< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 42d9bf3bf1bf / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (3 files in 2 dirs): AOI: tweaked Erlornas's line on Linaera's death so it can be used in both S5 and http://git.io/bTbh
20150202 21:43:51< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 99ce1c6e344e / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/05_Linaera_the_Quick.cfg: AOI S7: small format fixup http://git.io/bTbj
20150202 21:43:54< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4566aa72a426 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/ (5 files): AOI: standardized the side 1 team name across all scenarios http://git.io/bTNe
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20150202 21:59:01< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4e4d1b9384cd / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (5 files in 2 dirs): AOI: split adviser recall logic into a macro http://git.io/bkvl
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20150202 22:12:24 * vultraz dusts off hands
20150202 22:15:38< vultraz> Well, there's AOI done
20150202 22:16:19< irker976> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 61a8de3d9464 / src/game_initialization/create_engine.cpp: don't reload config when selecing campaigns http://git.io/bktd
20150202 22:16:21< irker976> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 6172dd3e56dd / src/game_initialization/ (configure_engine.cpp configure_engine.hpp): remove unneeded member variable. http://git.io/bktF
20150202 22:16:23< irker976> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f2f34629daa2 / src/game_initialization/ (mp_options.cpp mp_options.hpp): remove unused functions http://git.io/bktb
20150202 22:16:24< irker976> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 20b91d3b9335 / src/game_initialization/mp_options.hpp: remove undefined function http://git.io/bktN
20150202 22:16:27< irker976> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master a882a83444df / src/game_initialization/create_engine.cpp: add type=sp/mp for [era] and [modification] http://git.io/bktA
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20150202 22:34:00< vultraz> zookeeper: I'm starting to see why we can't add mainline campaigns at the drop of a hat >_> so much code to maintain
20150202 22:41:19< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 52b8758006d7 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/05_Linaera_the_Quick.cfg: AOI S5: fixup a missing = http://git.io/bkCE
20150202 22:41:22< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 0b2229edc700 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/01_Defend_the_Forest.cfg: AOI S1: forgot facing for Lomarfel http://git.io/bkCu
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20150202 22:54:17< gfgtdf> vultraz: you want to fix https://gna.org/bugs/?23236 on master?
20150202 22:54:17< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c6fa28fbb57d / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/utils/macros.cfg: AOI: port DiD logic for adviser creation http://git.io/bkB8
20150202 22:54:20< irker976> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master dfcc26aae666 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/utils/macros.cfg: DiD: simplify new ghost adviser creation with placement=leader http://git.io/bkB4
20150202 22:56:48< gfgtdf> vultraz: ^
20150202 22:58:08< zookeeper> gfgtdf, so are you interested in trying to solve the starting positions OOS problem?
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20150202 22:59:39< gfgtdf> zookeeper: i can help but after looking at the engine i currently also have no idea how it could be caused
20150202 22:59:56< gfgtdf> zookeeper: in teh engine i mean
20150202 23:00:06< zookeeper> gfgtdf, anyway, i pasted the relevant info engine lines here 12 hours ago
20150202 23:00:08< zookeeper> okay
20150202 23:00:21< zookeeper> doesn't help that no one else seems to be experiencing it
20150202 23:00:42< gfgtdf> zookeeper: maybe he used a  addon that adds new terrains that confuses teh liked terrain calculations ?
20150202 23:01:00< zookeeper> at least he said that he didn't have any add-ons
20150202 23:02:28< gfgtdf> zookeeper: if i remember correctly he said he can build master too so maybe we could put  verymuch logmessages in place_sides_in_preferred_locations in master.
20150202 23:02:47< zookeeper> maybe...
20150202 23:04:00< zookeeper> i don't know the code so don't know if there's anything there that could be something unintentionally platform-specific, but that possibility comes to mind
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20150202 23:10:58< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm i also thought about that
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20150202 23:11:28< gfgtdf> zookeeper: but the only think i curently know to be plattofrm spcific is floating point calculation, and afaik that cod doesnt use floating point calculation
20150202 23:11:38< gfgtdf> s/think/thing
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20150202 23:28:50< vultraz> gfgtdf: I'll look into it
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20150202 23:37:11< vultraz> gfgtdf: should it use shallow_parsed or parsed?
20150202 23:37:33< vultraz> before it was using shallow_literal
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