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20150215 10:16:42< aquileia> vultraz: Areyou sure about bced80cb7ec3 ( http://git.io/NrG7 ) ? Clearing the caves is actually an alternate condition, not a bonus (just as it was in S3). You'd have to set victory_when_enemies_defeated=no if you want to change that. Or did you mean that you can't really defeat that last death knight without seeing the dwarves? 
20150215 10:19:47< vultraz> aquileia: hm...I thought it was a bonus since that's what it said in the objectives
20150215 10:20:46< aquileia> In NR, pretty much every 'bonus' objective is in fact an alternate where you'll recieve the bonus
20150215 10:21:49< vultraz> doesn't alternate mean 'it will also end the scenario' whereas bonus should mean 'provide bonus on scenario end'
20150215 10:22:13< aquileia> I didn't say NR was right in that use ;)
20150215 10:23:17< vultraz> so...you think we should revert that, and correctly mark it as an alternate objective
20150215 10:23:59< aquileia> I wonder, though; why 'Alternative objective' instead of 'or' ?
20150215 10:26:01< aquileia> Oh, and S3 no longer mentions the bonus at all
20150215 10:29:16< aquileia> ah, it seems 'or' no longer is used as widespread as I remembered
20150215 10:30:12< vultraz> yeah, I corrected s3
20150215 10:30:22< vultraz> since killing pruol ends the scenario
20150215 10:30:41< aquileia> +{EARLY_FINISH_BONUS_FOOTNOTE} wouldn't hurt for the alternate
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20150215 10:35:50< vultraz> In which case we might use ALTERNATIVE_OBJECTIVE_BONUS
20150215 10:36:06< aquileia> Wasn't aware of that, even better
20150215 10:36:36< aquileia> Then that should be used in S2.1 and S3
20150215 10:36:43< vultraz> could you commit that?
20150215 10:36:51< vultraz> I'm working on s5a
20150215 10:38:03< vultraz> also, any comments on the new s4 map? :)
20150215 10:41:42< aquileia> a) sure, b) as I said before, I can't give map feedback
20150215 10:42:04< vultraz> ah
20150215 10:42:27< vultraz> just noticed s5a is over 3000 lines of WML D:
20150215 10:42:43< aquileia> That's also the reason why, in the campaign I'm working on with Wrathbow, he does all the map work
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20150215 10:48:18< vultraz> this scenario is going to be very hard to redo the map for..
20150215 10:49:40< aquileia> vultraz: Fun fact: ALTERNATIVE_OBJECTIVE_BONUS is used exactly once in mainline - in NR S8 !
20150215 10:49:49< vultraz> heh
20150215 10:50:09< aquileia> fabi inserted it there
20150215 10:51:00< fabi> aquileia: Hello
20150215 10:51:16< aquileia> Hi
20150215 10:53:08< aquileia> Hmm... before I commit the change...
20150215 10:53:34< aquileia> zookeeper: Is ALTERNATIVE_OBJECTIVE_BONUS on your list of macros to be deprecated?
20150215 10:53:48< zookeeper> no idea, why would it be?
20150215 10:54:12< aquileia> Because right now it'd be easy (used only once in mainline), but in a few minutes it'll spread
20150215 10:55:24< zookeeper> no reason to deprecate it
20150215 10:55:27< aquileia> ok
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20150215 10:56:07< aquileia> Then I'll use it wherever it fits
20150215 10:57:04< zookeeper> sure
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20150215 11:01:14< vultraz> ya know, somehow I have  a feeling NR was writting as a comedy
20150215 11:01:21< vultraz> written*
20150215 11:01:40< zookeeper> i get that feeling from half the campaigns
20150215 11:05:30< vultraz> imo, TRoW is probably the best written
20150215 11:20:15< aquileia> Objections if I leave that 'or' and add the 'Alternative objective' caption'? https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/03_Toward_Mountains_of_Haag.cfg#L31
20150215 11:22:02< zookeeper> please do
20150215 11:22:16< zookeeper> although there might be another "or"-based convention
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20150215 11:23:17< zookeeper> oh, or maybe there isn't, maybe i replaced those once with ALTERNATIVE_OBJECTIVE_CAPTION etc
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20150215 11:32:21< vultraz> aquileia: I would prefer if we removed the 'or'
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20150215 11:33:25< aquileia> IMHO it's too much of a hassle for translators if we remove it
20150215 11:34:54< zookeeper> err, i misread; by "please do" i meant please remove it
20150215 11:36:06< aquileia> oh, ok
20150215 11:36:09< vultraz> yeah. let's make using alternate objectives caption the standard
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20150215 11:37:05< aquileia> I thought the 'or' wouldn't interfere with the additional caption, but if you disagree...
20150215 11:37:45< vultraz> I guess it doesn't matter. It doesn't interfere, it just seems a but unnecessary
20150215 11:37:48< zookeeper> well it's a minor thing of course, but a stray word like that would bug me so i'd rather see it gone :P
20150215 11:38:13< aquileia> more work for a dozen translators, then
20150215 11:38:28< zookeeper> certainly
20150215 11:38:43< vultraz> can't be that hard to remove an 'or'
20150215 11:38:58< zookeeper> you can leave it if you want, but probably sooner or later someone will remove it anyway
20150215 11:39:07< zookeeper> (probably later, though)
20150215 11:53:39 * vultraz decides to deal with the map and the code at the same time for S5a
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20150215 11:59:13< irker875> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 44d23176df2b / data/campaigns/ (11 files in 5 dirs): Use ALTERNATIVE_OBJECTIVE_BONUS where appropriate http://git.io/NPM2
20150215 11:59:15< irker875> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master fcdefe4f9f15 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/10a_Stolen_Gold.cfg: NR S10a: Mark a comment as a translation hint http://git.io/NPMa
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20150215 12:01:47< irker875> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 65199a26443c / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/07a_Settling_Disputes.cfg: NR S7a: use image=none where appropriate http://git.io/NPDG
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20150215 12:35:02< irker875> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 1e201586af6f / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/02_01_Infested_Caves.cfg: Revert "NR S2.1: removed a condition that's always true by that point" http://git.io/NPbf
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