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20150221 05:14:31< irker173> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 98e3006a1fc4 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/ (scenarios/05a_The_Pursuit.cfg utils/herodeaths.cfg): NR: show each of Morvin/Thera's death dialogs only once http://git.io/A4IH
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20150221 05:21:49< irker173> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8a9a1b987ad5 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/utils/herodeaths.cfg: NR: added a no-dialog version of Morvin/Thera's death events, for use in S6 on http://git.io/A4L0
20150221 05:22:40< vultraz> ^ the reason for this is because basically, you play through the entire campaign staring at the same damn 7 dialogs every time one of them dies
20150221 05:22:54< vultraz> it makes a lot more sense for them to be talkative at first, and then just 'get on with it'
20150221 05:22:59< vultraz> and it bothers the player less
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20150221 05:45:16< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/51604123
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20150221 08:15:15< zookeeper> shadowm, any idea why the moderation actions like splitting a topic or closing a report or deleting a post seem to take forever (like literally minutes sometimes) now?
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20150221 10:53:52< aquileia> I think it's not only moderating, at least for me previewing posts/PM's takes forever as well
20150221 10:58:09< aquileia> vultraz: Why do you need to store them if you could just teleport them without recreating the unit? Even if you want to keep the overpowered feature of replenished HP and MP, that should be easier, I think... and as I said before, teleporting is one thing, but necromancy is another matter...
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20150221 12:54:55< vultraz> aquileia: I'm still going to refactor it further
20150221 12:57:08< aquileia> good to know
20150221 12:58:36< vultraz> aquileia: and yes, I will just heal them instead of them 'dying' and resurrecting 
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20150221 15:15:24< aquileia> What is the current standard setup for orbs - a) no action = red, enemy = none  b) no action = black, enemy = red ?
20150221 15:16:25< aquileia> a) is what I get when I dlete my preference file, b) is what both the help and manual state
20150221 15:18:11< aquileia> fabi: ^
20150221 15:19:27< aquileia> after all that back and forth I'm a little confused how it ended
20150221 15:21:17< fabi> aquileia: It is like it has been for ages. Sadly.
20150221 15:23:24< aquileia> What about https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/b609e59a922f225 , then?
20150221 15:25:00< fabi> aquileia: Maybe I am wrong. Why don't you just try it?
20150221 15:27:06< aquileia> I did. I guess when the change was reverted, the help & manual got stuck in that state?
20150221 15:31:43< aquileia> Installed the 12.1 binary: unmoved black, enemy none...
20150221 15:32:31< aquileia> loonycyborg: You aren't providing these with a custom preference file, right?
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20150221 15:36:33< aquileia> nope, it changes between 1.12.1 and master
20150221 15:37:33< aquileia> fabi, shadowm, zookeeper, vultraz: I suppose it'd be nice to decide on the desired behavior...
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20150221 15:48:38< aquileia> We now have a) master: green-yellow-red + enemy none b) 1.12: green-yellow-black + enemy none c) help: green-yellow-red + enemy red
20150221 15:49:11< vultraz> in master, fabi introduced an option to customize orb colors
20150221 15:49:13< vultraz> IIRC
20150221 15:49:14< aquileia> I meant 'help: green-yellow-black + enemy red'
20150221 15:49:16< vultraz> this is bad
20150221 15:49:23< vultraz> (well, I assume it was fabi)
20150221 15:49:25< vultraz> (I'm not sure)
20150221 15:49:30< aquileia> I know they can be customized at will
20150221 15:49:45< vultraz> but someone also made it so that by default, the black enemy orb is not shown
20150221 15:49:47< aquileia> it's his feature, but the preset should match the help at least
20150221 15:50:15< vultraz> Enemy units should have a black orb
20150221 15:50:32< aquileia> well, that's d) then =P
20150221 15:50:43< vultraz> basically
20150221 15:50:49< vultraz> in help, black and red need to be switched
20150221 15:51:19< vultraz> I'm pretty sure red has been 'your unit is out of moves' for ages
20150221 15:52:29< vultraz> I think we should also turn on black for enemies by default
20150221 15:52:32< aquileia> Why not hide enemy orbs by default as it's currently done?
20150221 15:52:54< vultraz> Is that how it is in 1.12?
20150221 15:53:14< aquileia> that's current master behavior
20150221 15:53:37< aquileia> 1.12 hides them as well, but has gree-yellow-black
20150221 15:54:33< vultraz> I could have sworn 1.12 had green yellow red for your units..
20150221 15:55:16< vultraz> oh
20150221 15:55:25< vultraz> no, it's black for a unit that's out of moves
20150221 15:55:26< vultraz> well
20150221 15:55:30< vultraz> welp
20150221 15:55:31< vultraz> lol
20150221 15:56:07< vultraz> keep in mind I'm running 1.12.0
20150221 15:56:07< aquileia> you see why I'm raising the issue? It was just as unexpected for me
20150221 15:56:39< aquileia> I took 1.12.1
20150221 15:56:53< vultraz> Ok so
20150221 15:57:39< vultraz> On current master, red is your unit out of moves
20150221 15:57:44< vultraz> Help says it is black, like 1.12
20150221 15:58:07< vultraz> And black is the default for enemies (which is not shown by default), while help says it should be red
20150221 15:58:15< aquileia> exactly
20150221 15:58:31< aquileia> mailinglist?
20150221 15:58:34< vultraz> In 1.12, it says black is the color for your units out of moves
20150221 15:58:40< vultraz> which is correct
20150221 15:58:50< vultraz> but it says red is enemy, which is wrong, because nothing is shown
20150221 15:58:55< vultraz> so the question is
20150221 15:59:07< vultraz> do we want black and red master or 1.12 behavior
20150221 16:00:47< aquileia> well, master is irrelevant to the end user, but it's the same as it was in 1.10 IIRC and thus relevant
20150221 16:01:00< vultraz> so master is what it was in 1.10?
20150221 16:01:40< aquileia> I'm not 100% sure, it was such a long time ago... let me look it up
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20150221 16:10:18< aquileia> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.8/data/game_config.cfg#L78 https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.8/images/misc/ball-moved.png
20150221 16:10:31< aquileia> 1.8 was traffic lights + none
20150221 16:12:10< aquileia> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.10/images/misc/orb-moved.png
20150221 16:12:14< aquileia> 1.10 as well
20150221 16:12:46< aquileia> 1.12 changed this, master changed it back
20150221 16:14:04< aquileia> vultraz: Should I just bring the issue to the mailinglist?
20150221 16:15:50< vultraz> aquileia: yeah, why not
20150221 16:20:05< zookeeper> i never really consciously look at the orbs, nor do i recall the rationale for the changes, so i guess i don't have much to say besides "keep it as it's always been unless there's a very good reason to change it"
20150221 16:21:13< aquileia> The reason was "red=attention=danger", IIRC
20150221 16:22:19< aquileia> and something with color-blind people, but as fabi made it customisable for them, that's no longer relevant
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20150221 16:35:54< aquileia> vultraz: If I state you opinion, black enemy orbs or none?
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20150221 16:43:36< vultraz> aquileia: I guess it doesn't really matter. I had thought 1.12 had black, but then I realized it was none, so I'm fine either way
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