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20150311 03:14:01< shadowm> ancestral: No idea why you are asking me.
20150311 03:14:16< ancestral> I wasn’t sure what 
20150311 03:14:48< ancestral> Crendgrim said he didn’t feel he was the right person to be asked
20150311 03:15:06< ancestral> I wasn’t sure if maybe he meant he didn’t know if I was acceptable
20150311 03:15:17< ancestral> allowable, a good choice
20150311 03:15:23< ancestral> But I might have misinterpreted his words
20150311 03:25:10< shadowm> Gambit: Poke.
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20150311 03:30:26< Gambit> ancestral: I'm cool with adding you
20150311 03:30:35< ancestral> Thanks
20150311 03:30:40< Gambit> ancestral: my philosophy is basically to run the subreddit the same way we'd manage the forums
20150311 03:30:59< Gambit> ancestral: you should know that 1. redditors are angry nerds who are in love with a perverted idea of free speech
20150311 03:31:11< ancestral> For sure
20150311 03:31:17< Gambit> 2. I have a bad reputation as an evil feminazi fun hating jerk on reddit who wants to take all the video games away
20150311 03:31:46< Gambit> now it's pretty doubtful that angry stalkers follow me to /r/wesnoth to you
20150311 03:31:50< Gambit> but it might happen *shrug*
20150311 03:32:04< bumbadadabum> wait are people reviving /r/wesnoth?
20150311 03:32:19< Gambit> ancestral: please confirm your reddit username real quick
20150311 03:32:28< ancestral> Yes
20150311 03:32:39< Gambit> pm me on the forums
20150311 03:32:42< ancestral> Okay
20150311 03:33:44< bumbadadabum> also, I strongly doubt someone would harass ancestral just because of a feud with Gambit on a different subreddit
20150311 03:34:07< Gambit> well it happened once that I had a racist stalker who followed me from reddit to IRC to Wesnoth
20150311 03:34:14< Gambit> granted he had the help of a "friend" of mine
20150311 03:34:24< Gambit> who thought it would be hilarious to tell the stormfront bug all about Wesnoth
20150311 03:34:29< Gambit> bumbadadabum: But you know all about that story, don't you?
20150311 03:34:34< bumbadadabum> Fuck you.
20150311 03:34:40< Gambit> <3
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20150311 03:34:51< Gambit> Punk.
20150311 03:36:47< ancestral> Sent
20150311 03:37:26< Gambit> ancestral: invite sent on reddit. sorry about my obnoxious due dilligence :)
20150311 03:37:32< ancestral> Let me know if you want me to send something to you on Reddit
20150311 03:37:35< Gambit> also my highly likely improper spelling of that word
20150311 03:37:37< ancestral> Totally makes sense
20150311 03:38:04< Gambit> Geeze has it really been two years since I picked up /r/wesnoth? time flies.
20150311 03:38:14< ancestral> Heh
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20150311 03:38:51< Gambit> It's only half the size of /r/JimSterling. Maybe I need to add more CSS3 animations :P
20150311 03:41:53< Gambit> ancestral: as Crendgrim said, it's a pretty easy to handle subreddit :)
20150311 03:42:07< Gambit> just approve things that get stuck in the spam filter
20150311 03:42:27< Gambit> Or really, approve/remove all new posts so that you can take advantage of the "mod queue"
20150311 03:43:02< Gambit> looks like w're a bit behind: http://www.reddit.com/r/wesnoth/about/unmoderated
20150311 03:45:14< ancestral> Okay, added “ancestral” in my flair
20150311 03:45:31< bumbadadabum> what is a flair I don't use reddit
20150311 03:45:48< ancestral> It’s a [often] dumb little thing that shows up next to your name
20150311 03:46:10< ancestral> Can be handy to explain who you are. It’s like a Facebook status
20150311 03:46:22< ancestral> maybe
20150311 03:46:45< bumbadadabum> ah I see it's what people use to put their username
20150311 03:46:49< ancestral> Or like a title you might have
20150311 03:46:52< ancestral> Right
20150311 03:47:33< ancestral> Gambit: You want me to approve it? :-P
20150311 03:47:42< bumbadadabum> I think this is the first time I've used my reddit account
20150311 03:47:47< ancestral> Cool
20150311 03:48:09< ancestral> bumbadadabum: I haven’t been on Reddit until about a year ago, though I followed on Reddit for a year prior
20150311 03:48:14< ancestral> I’m very late to the game
20150311 03:48:22< bumbadadabum> >I've been on reddit for 2 years
20150311 03:48:22< bumbadadabum> wow
20150311 03:48:30< Gambit> ancestral: yeah the idea of the modqueue is that every new post should be touched by a moderator
20150311 03:48:34< Gambit> approve or remove
20150311 03:48:46< Gambit> now, I've not been redditng heavily since December 1st when I started my new job
20150311 03:48:51< Gambit> so my mod queue is full as heck
20150311 03:48:53< Gambit> but lol
20150311 03:50:05< ancestral> bumbadadabum: Soooo, what’s your favorite unit then?
20150311 03:50:13< Gambit> ancestral: consult me if you ever get the urge to add a new moderator
20150311 03:50:14< bumbadadabum> I don't have one ;_;
20150311 03:50:21< ancestral> Cop out answer :-P
20150311 03:50:30< ancestral> Gambit: Of course!!
20150311 03:50:31< bumbadadabum> I've played this game for too long
20150311 03:50:48< ancestral> Yeah, I’m not going to go crazy
20150311 03:51:01< bumbadadabum> can't pick a favorite
20150311 03:51:08< bumbadadabum> out of thousands of UMC units
20150311 03:51:10< ancestral> Though if I get bored maybe I’ll pass along a stylesheet idea
20150311 03:51:22< ancestral> Lots of grass in that header
20150311 03:52:01< ancestral> By looking just at the banner, I think Wesnoth must be a farming simulation
20150311 03:52:11< shadowm> It sucks.
20150311 03:52:25< bumbadadabum> yeah it maybe should be improved
20150311 03:52:41< bumbadadabum> maybe just a desaturated view of actual gameplay?
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20150311 03:54:13< ancestral> Could throw cut-ups of some screenshots, or show-off a bunch of units, or take some of the scenery (like the castle image)
20150311 03:55:35< ancestral> (I experimented with the stylesheets in https://www.reddit.com/r/steamliner — haven’t gone overboard or gotten super fancy, but at least I have the basics down)
20150311 03:55:38< bumbadadabum> is karma like postcount?
20150311 03:56:09< ancestral> Mostly no
20150311 03:56:35< ancestral> Karma is how many upvotes you get… generally speaking
20150311 03:57:12< ancestral> bumbadadabum: You could post a lot of dumb things and not get many votes. On the flip side, you could post a great thing and get hundreds of upvotes.
20150311 03:57:45< ancestral> Karma is your rating. A high karma means you can be trusted more. Generally.
20150311 03:57:53< bumbadadabum> I don't like getting judged for my posting'
20150311 03:58:14< ancestral> For the most part, you don’t have to worry about karma
20150311 03:59:00< ancestral> It’s not a good metric to compare people with or judge a person
20150311 03:59:13< ancestral> Someone who is less active isn’t necessarily bad or anything
20150311 03:59:38< ancestral> bumbadadabum: More upvotes means it gets more attention — it goes to the top of the page
20150311 04:00:18< bumbadadabum> but then how do new posts get seen?
20150311 04:00:38< bumbadadabum> every forum I've ever used has the newest post first
20150311 04:01:51< bumbadadabum> anyway
20150311 04:01:54< bumbadadabum> I have class in 5 hours
20150311 04:02:00< bumbadadabum> so I kinda need to get some sleep
20150311 04:02:32< bumbadadabum> I'll maybe learn to reddit another time
20150311 04:04:15< ancestral> bumbadadabum: You can choose to order by “top”, “rising” or “new"
20150311 04:04:29< ancestral> The age of a post also impacts where it’s seen
20150311 04:04:47< ancestral> I don’t thnk the formula is completely transparent, but I could be wrong
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20150311 04:29:52< Gambit> the hot formula is documented
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20150311 14:37:34< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
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20150311 14:37:54< vultraz> hey
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20150311 19:17:06< bumbadadabum> why isn't irker reporting my commits ;_;
20150311 19:23:56< iceiceice> irker having a bad day,
20150311 19:24:01< iceiceice> broke up with girlfriend,
20150311 19:24:05< iceiceice> getting audited by the IRS,
20150311 19:24:14< bumbadadabum> nah he's just a lazy prick
20150311 19:24:19< iceiceice> haha
20150311 19:29:48< iceiceice> is travis running the commits?
20150311 19:29:52< iceiceice> i guess it is
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20150311 20:08:47< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5933 (master - abcba45 : Bär Halberkamp): The build was broken.
20150311 20:08:47< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/53994256
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20150311 20:47:48< Drexir> Probably not the right place. But in wanting to make a game from scratch. Possibly sell it. Someone said I should release the source. And pointed me to you guys. So I'm wondering how are you guys able to run a game like this with no income?
20150311 20:50:39< zookeeper> well, it's a volunteer effort so there's not much costs. the project receives a cut from the sales of versions on apple/google app stores... which is apparently enough for the server costs (which i assume aren't very high) and an occasional art commission.
20150311 20:54:50< Drexir> I figured it was a volunteer effort. But a one man operation trying to create a game. With no income. Well sadly I would starve. lol. Games are something hard to release source code for if that's your only way of making a living.
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20150311 20:55:23< zookeeper> well, you can always release your source code but keep assets proprietary
20150311 20:56:39< zookeeper> or depending on what platforms you target, you could get your income from app store sales
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20150311 21:04:20< Drexir> It would be a PC game really. Windows / Linux / Mac I'll have to look into. But not anything touch yet. Keep it simple at first. I was thinking of putting it on the steam store for just $1. See if people enjoy what I can make. After all the only thing I've made is Pong / TicTacToe / Checkers / A space invaders clone and a few mods for games. But heck the kids these days just pick up unity, get free assets, write some 
20150311 21:04:20< Drexir> scripts, and put it up on steam. Some of them are taken down. Cause you can clearly see it was a ripoff. 
20150311 21:07:06< Drexir> Me would be from scratch. 2D game. Written in C. Possibly compile it in C++ and use operator overloading as that's the only built in tool I've found to help development of games. 
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20150311 21:07:56< zookeeper> well, unless one is an experienced developer with a particularly good idea (or alternatively, extremely lucky), i wouldn't expect to make a living by writing games
20150311 21:11:04< zookeeper> frankly, the chances of being able to turn a profit as a beginner solo developer writing PC games seem... uh, astronomically small, really
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20150311 21:14:36< Drexir> Well I have many ideas. Most of which are too ambitious for a first game. One of the games I use to play in the arcade was a game called 1942. That kind of game would be a good start obviously with a lot more modern features and meta-game. 
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20150311 21:22:49< Drexir> The other would be an educational game of sorts. The vision I have of that is hard to describe. I guess the closest game would be angry birds but realistic. It's very hard to aim for realistic game mechanics and still be fun to play. And I wouldn't want to force the education part on the player. Rather inspire them so if they choose they can learn from it. I think that curiosity would compel them to learn more about math / 
20150311 21:22:49< Drexir> physics / or really any sciences. 
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20150311 21:46:31< iceiceice> Drexir: i think the odds are probably against you in more ways than you realize
20150311 21:47:48< iceiceice> i think if you want to make a profitable game, you need to have a good deal of in-depth marketing knowledge and be prepared to test the hell out of everything,
20150311 21:47:57< iceiceice> and ultimately, do everything you can to make it as addictive as possible
20150311 21:48:23< iceiceice> if your motivations are like, i want to inspire people to learn about science,
20150311 21:48:33< iceiceice> that's just not likely to generate a living imo
20150311 21:49:16< iceiceice> i dont want to discourage you but at the same time, dont quit your day job ;)
20150311 21:49:25< iceiceice> no one in wesnoth afaik has quit their day job to make it
20150311 21:49:37< iceiceice> the other thing is, don't write things "from scratch" thats pretty much insane
20150311 21:49:49< iceiceice> you should use all the cross platform libraries you can
20150311 21:50:33< iceiceice> a great deal of stuff in wesnoth was written from scratch but in most cases that was a big mistake that has greatly hindered us
20150311 21:51:02< iceiceice> even consider to use Dave's "Anura" engine
20150311 21:51:07< iceiceice> which sounds like it will do much of what you would need
20150311 21:52:06< iceiceice> if nothing else, it is far safer to use e.g. Qt for gui,
20150311 21:52:22< iceiceice> because even if your project goes down in flames, you still have knowledge of using Qt which is transferrable and reusable on another project
20150311 21:52:38< iceiceice> having in depth knowledge of wesnoth's GUI on the other hand, is pretty much worthless except for wesnot
20150311 21:53:39< Drexir> iceiceice, I appreciate the help. Thing is I don't have a job. Don't really have much to lose. So if there is no gain. Then there is nothing more lost. However I do have to go I will be back and maybe we can continue the discussion. 
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20150311 22:58:10< iceiceice> aquileia: random question,
20150311 22:58:23< iceiceice> do you know why it is required to have these operators == and < defined at all?
20150311 22:58:23< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/font.cpp#L79
20150311 22:58:40< iceiceice> actually i tried to remove them
20150311 22:58:50< iceiceice> to simplify the code, but it didn't like it and i didnt really investigate to figure out why
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