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As to the >, no idea 20150312 00:06:16< iceiceice> i think that normally with maps they will supply another of these? 20150312 00:06:17< aquileia> Can't stay to discuss though, have some work to do 20150312 00:06:21< iceiceice> ok 20150312 00:06:49-!- aquileia [95acd0d3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.149.172.208.211] has quit [Client Quit] 20150312 00:10:46-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@s77.BMT-e1.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20150312 00:11:58-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@s77.BMT-e1.vectant.ne.jp] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 00:25:55-!- kex [~kex@78.157.29.160] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 00:30:53-!- Appleman1234 [~Appleman1@s77.BMT-e1.vectant.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20150312 00:42:19-!- vultraz [~chatzilla@wesnoth/developer/vultraz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 00:58:41-!- tomreyn [~tomreyn@megaglest/team/tomreyn] has quit [Quit: tomreyn] 20150312 00:58:50-!- new_one [~new_one@128.42.75.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20150312 01:08:34-!- Necrosporus [~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20150312 01:36:57-!- iceiceice [~chris@wesnoth/developer/iceiceice] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20150312 01:41:45< Drexir> iceiceice: it's nice to work from scratch. For learning. Granted there will be code and libraries "blackboxes" that I will have to use. 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sdl/utils.hpp): Merge pull request #384 from Elvish-Hunter/master http://git.io/piwb 20150312 10:05:37< zookeeper> why do those calls not take arguments?` 20150312 10:06:31< zookeeper> why does SEPIA use hardcoded RGB values instead of taking them as arguments, and why does NEG only flip RGB channels and not take the channels to flip as an argument? 20150312 10:08:34< Elvish_Hunter> First reason: I have yet to understand how to write ImagePath functions that accept arguments :-P 20150312 10:09:11< Elvish_Hunter> A lot of time passed since I last used things like C++ initialization lists, so I'll have to study them again 20150312 10:09:27< zookeeper> i'd think that studying the existing IPF's would tell you everything you need to know 20150312 10:10:16< Elvish_Hunter> Second reason: SEPIA is implemented in the same way as it is implemented in CSS 20150312 10:10:52< zookeeper> well, at least the arguments can be added as a backwards-compatible feature 20150312 10:10:54< Elvish_Hunter> All the agorithms that I found use the same hardcoded values and apply them to each pixel 20150312 10:11:02< Elvish_Hunter> *algorithms 20150312 10:12:20< Elvish_Hunter> Third reason: NEG is meant to be a simple filter, at least for now, and once again is implemented in the same way as CSS' invert() 20150312 10:13:13< Elvish_Hunter> I have in mind to create something a bit more complex that allows altering the single channels, like swapping them 20150312 10:13:33< Elvish_Hunter> But I just need more time and the right idea for this 20150312 10:14:30< zookeeper> for starters, adding those arguments would be a good idea. negating a channel is useful, negating RGB i can't really think of any uses for (except when that's all you get). 20150312 10:16:39< zookeeper> likewise a sepia-like effect is useful, but a sepia-like effect hardcoded to a single specific color is obviously much less so 20150312 10:17:51< zookeeper> anyway, as i said those are fine default behaviors for the functions, but they should really take optional arguments as well 20150312 10:19:12< Elvish_Hunter> What do you think that the arguments supported by SEPIA should be? 20150312 10:22:01< zookeeper> i thought the target tone as rgb(a?), but it looks like yours has 3 hardcoded values per each channel 20150312 10:22:32< zookeeper> is the tone of the current effect somehow representable as an RGB value? 20150312 10:24:36< Elvish_Hunter> This is the implementations that I used, which is recommended (amongst the others) by Microsoft as well: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/functions/sepia 20150312 10:25:10< Elvish_Hunter> The point is that it's hard to come up with a decent sepia algorithm, and so this one is almost the only one used everywhere 20150312 10:25:30< zookeeper> i take that as a "i don't know" 20150312 10:27:18< Elvish_Hunter> Yes :-P Theoretically, I could allow selecting different RGB values, but I'll need to accept something like 9 arguments... 20150312 10:28:11< Elvish_Hunter> Because each channel is obtained by recalculating the three original channels 20150312 10:30:20< Elvish_Hunter> I mean in this way: channel = (r*value1) + (g*value2) + (b*value3) 20150312 10:31:20-!- cib0 [~cib@132.231.178.14] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 10:31:28< Elvish_Hunter> And after all, not even our GS() function accepts arguments, even if I found a few possible alternative implementations of it 20150312 10:34:00< zookeeper> yeah, i guess it can't really be made customizable in a good way 20150312 10:35:08< Elvish_Hunter> For NEG, however, I see your point, so I'll go back to the drawing board ;-) 20150312 10:38:55< zookeeper> i don't recall other IPF's taking the channels as an argument like that so dunno if there's anything to imitate 20150312 10:39:53< zookeeper> i'd imagine that it could just be a list of chars really. NEG(ra) flips R and A, NEG(rgb) flips RGB, NEG(gar) flips R, G and A, etc... 20150312 10:41:26-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20150312 10:43:47-!- kex [~kex@78.157.29.160] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 10:44:14< Elvish_Hunter> Instead I though of a different solution: given a CHANNEL function, for example it may be called like ~CHANNEL(blue, null, invert) 20150312 10:45:00< Elvish_Hunter> Where "blue" assigns to the red channel the value of the blue one, null drops the green values to 0, and invert negates the blue value 20150312 10:48:58-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-242-102-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 10:48:59< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#5936 (master - a699094 : Elvish-Hunter): The build was fixed. 20150312 10:48:59< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/54073243 20150312 10:48:59-!- travis-ci [~travis-ci@ec2-54-242-102-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20150312 10:49:55< zookeeper> well, sure, that'd work. 20150312 10:50:32-!- Haudegen [~quassel@85.124.51.57] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 10:50:35< zookeeper> might as well make it handle numeric values too and substitute null with 0 20150312 10:51:12< zookeeper> so you can do things like CHANNEL(alpha, 255, 0, red) to switch alpha and red and set green to 255 and blue to 0 20150312 10:51:37< zookeeper> or CHANNEL(invert, 0, 0) to invert red and set green and blue to 0 and leave alpha unchanged 20150312 10:54:05< Elvish_Hunter> Hmm... IPFs usually don't touch alpha channels; besides, JPG images don't support alpha, so if it's implemented alpha should be the last parameter of the list 20150312 10:54:27< Elvish_Hunter> So the function works with RGB or RBGA lists 20150312 10:56:08< zookeeper> naturally 20150312 10:59:47< irker682> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 64160818b62b / RELEASE_NOTES changelog: Changelog and release notes entries for my commits http://git.io/piH5 20150312 11:05:05-!- cib0 [~cib@132.231.178.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20150312 11:06:17-!- cib0 [~cib@132.231.178.8] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 11:10:29-!- mjs-de [~mjs-de@f048208069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 11:13:12< Elvish_Hunter> OK, now I have to go. 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random values and see what happens. 20150312 14:03:33< zookeeper> maybe it could be useful for some really advanced stuff, i don't know 20150312 14:03:48< iceiceice> suppose that someone decided our sepia looked bad and wanted to use different numbers 20150312 14:04:00< iceiceice> if they had this 9-numbers ipf they could do it i guess 20150312 14:04:40-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20150312 14:07:21-!- stikonas [~gentoo@wesnoth/translator/stikonas] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 14:11:58-!- Sulfur [~Miranda@p5B008E04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20150312 14:32:12-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@211.162.34.196] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 14:36:45-!- ancientcc [~ancientcc@211.162.34.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20150312 14:47:20-!- happygrue [~Laptop@wesnoth/developer/wintermute] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20150312 14:48:22-!- ancientcc 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