--- Log opened Fri Mar 13 00:00:43 2015
20150313 00:04:41< shadowm> bumbadadabum: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/134df26a0a87396cdbd29cb29d0e2281c66e28ab Everything after the first sentence belongs in the commit's description two lines below, not in the first line, which is the commit's subject line.
20150313 00:05:01< bumbadadabum> oh shit did I not do that
20150313 00:05:02< bumbadadabum> oops
20150313 00:05:09< bumbadadabum> forgot to press a single button
20150313 00:05:12< shadowm> Also limit your message lines to 80 characters.
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20150313 08:01:11< war-of-kingdom> Hi
20150313 08:01:56< war-of-kingdom> Hi
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20150313 08:07:01< vultraz> hi
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20150313 08:08:00< war-of-kingdom> I am writing a IRC client that based wesnoth.
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20150313 08:36:38< irker438> wesnoth: Groggy Dice wesnoth:master 13c988515639 / data/tools/wesnoth/wmltools.py: wmltools: refine comma_split function http://git.io/pSCO
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20150313 08:46:07< ancientcc> Hi
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20150313 08:50:50< ancientcc> Hi2!
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20150313 11:40:22< ancientcc> Hi3
20150313 11:41:00< war-of-kingdom> Hi4
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20150313 14:28:03< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: ping
20150313 14:28:09< zookeeper> pong
20150313 14:28:28< bumbadadabum> hey so I'm going over EI again
20150313 14:28:51< bumbadadabum> and I was thinking about adding the Skeleton Rider from liberty to it
20150313 14:29:51< zookeeper> to which scenario(s) and to fulfill what purpose?
20150313 14:30:13< bumbadadabum> Scenario 3 comes to mind immediately
20150313 14:30:54< bumbadadabum> mostly to add variety, and to have another unit in the undead faction that doesn't get destroyed completely by HI
20150313 14:31:10< bumbadadabum> and give a little more reason to recruit spearmen
20150313 14:34:13< zookeeper> well it has the same pierce and impact resistances as skeletons, doesn't it?
20150313 14:34:21< bumbadadabum> no
20150313 14:34:28< bumbadadabum> it's a crossover of mounted and skeletonfoot
20150313 14:34:34< bumbadadabum> unless someone changed it
20150313 14:35:10< zookeeper> i'm looking at 1.12 and the .cfg's imply the same blade and pierce resists
20150313 14:35:24< bumbadadabum>         blade=80
20150313 14:35:25< bumbadadabum>         pierce=70
20150313 14:35:25< bumbadadabum>         impact=110
20150313 14:36:03< bumbadadabum> compare it to         blade=60
20150313 14:36:03< bumbadadabum>         pierce=40
20150313 14:36:03< bumbadadabum>         impact=120 on the skeleton
20150313 14:36:48< zookeeper> ohh
20150313 14:37:17< zookeeper> why the hell did someone put that [resistance] block in the middle of all the animation and attack tags? good grief
20150313 14:37:26< bumbadadabum> I actually might make it 80 pierce and 100 impact
20150313 14:37:30< bumbadadabum> to make it more mounted
20150313 14:38:52< bumbadadabum> ah
20150313 14:38:53< bumbadadabum>         blade=80
20150313 14:38:53< bumbadadabum>         pierce=80
20150313 14:38:53< bumbadadabum>         impact=90
20150313 14:38:59< bumbadadabum> this is what I made it in my own era
20150313 14:39:01< zookeeper> "these mounted riders atop their skeletal horses"... too bad the sprites have very alive-looking horses :p
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20150313 14:39:22< bumbadadabum> the description refers to their old sprites
20150313 14:39:27< zookeeper> naturally
20150313 14:40:22< Necrosporus> How do woses reproduce? By mating and birthing like other anthropomorphic races or by pollination and fructification like normal plants?
20150313 14:40:41< bumbadadabum> is the rogue mage in core, actually?
20150313 14:41:09< zookeeper> no
20150313 14:42:02< zookeeper> anyway, if you change the resistances in any way, make sure they're identical in liberty and EI
20150313 14:42:21< bumbadadabum> yeah, would it be better to add them to core you think?
20150313 14:42:29< bumbadadabum> if I'm using the same unit in multiple campaigns?
20150313 14:43:25< zookeeper> i don't think it's a very good core unit.
20150313 14:43:43< bumbadadabum> k I'll dupe the code then
20150313 14:44:42< zookeeper> if you add it to scenario 3, better balance-test it to make sure they aren't too effective. the enemies already get bats which are even faster, but also much easier to kill
20150313 14:45:11< bumbadadabum> yeah, I'm testing it a lot
20150313 14:45:20< bumbadadabum> think I've played scenario 1 6 times so far
20150313 14:47:04< zookeeper> might make more sense in 4b and/or 4c, and maybe the crossing scenarios
20150313 14:47:16< bumbadadabum> yeah those as well
20150313 14:47:31< bumbadadabum> even though I always pick 4a so I don't have as much experience with 4b and 4c
20150313 14:48:14< zookeeper> maybe just 4b, i doubt they keep much horses in their swampy capital
20150313 14:48:34< bumbadadabum> well they obviously keep some knights around :p
20150313 14:48:49< zookeeper> true, true
20150313 14:49:06< bumbadadabum> I also noticed how easy EI is
20150313 14:49:53< bumbadadabum> even after making it harder, it was possible to kill the enemy leaders in both S1 and S2
20150313 14:50:06< bumbadadabum> and I'm not even that good at the game
20150313 14:53:19< zookeeper> at what difficulty level?
20150313 14:53:28< bumbadadabum> medium.
20150313 14:53:43< zookeeper> right. shouldn't really be possible in either i think, without extraordinary luck
20150313 14:54:03< bumbadadabum> well, in S1 there is barely anything that can damage HI
20150313 14:55:18< bumbadadabum> and S2 was so bottlenecky
20150313 14:55:32< bumbadadabum> that you could just tank all the enemies with 2 shock troopers and a white mage
20150313 14:56:13< bumbadadabum> idk I might need to look at it again later
20150313 14:56:47< bumbadadabum> maybe it's a lot harder for someone who hasn't played it 5+ time
20150313 14:56:49< bumbadadabum> *times
20150313 15:03:31< vultraz> EI was never really hard
20150313 15:03:34< vultraz> to me at least
20150313 15:03:38< vultraz> been a long time since i played
20150313 15:03:48< bumbadadabum> nothing changed.
20150313 15:04:12< AI0867> when it comes to skeletons, things are a bit weird
20150313 15:04:24< AI0867> liches and death knights have different resists from skellies too
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20150313 15:23:53< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i jjust noticed that we have a {RANDOM_SIDE} that must be included in an era to have the random faction option available. You know why we dont just have random faction availablew in all eras ?
20150313 15:24:25< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i think we support custom random factions also
20150313 15:24:42< iceiceice> i think maybe thunderstruck added in 1.12, not sure xactly
20150313 15:24:48< iceiceice> meaning like,
20150313 15:24:58< iceiceice> there can be a random faction that only chooses from a subset of the era
20150313 15:25:05< iceiceice> and there can be multiple random factions like this
20150313 15:25:51< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/game_initialization/flg_manager.cpp#L213
20150313 15:27:00< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i agree that it seems like there should just always be a random option,
20150313 15:27:19< iceiceice> the only advantage i know of doing it like with {RANDOM_SIDE} in 1.10, was that you can change the random icon if you want
20150313 15:28:15< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hmm ok.
20150313 15:29:29< gfgtdf> iceiceice: maybe it is just easier to implement like this if we support custom subset random.
20150313 15:29:47< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i doidnt know there were custom subset random factons before
20150313 15:30:28< iceiceice> yeah
20150313 15:30:32< iceiceice> i dont know if it is documented
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20150313 15:31:09< iceiceice> it looks like it is
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20150313 15:48:49< iceiceice> gfgtdf: what did you mean about, "random_faction_mode shouldnt be an int" ?
20150313 15:48:51< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/385
20150313 15:49:01< iceiceice> you thought it should be enum or just bool or something?
20150313 15:50:09< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i thought about enum, with int it is very ncelar from looking at the mo_game_settings class which this member does.
20150313 15:50:17< gfgtdf> s/which/what
20150313 15:50:26< iceiceice> ok
20150313 15:50:30< iceiceice> i think i will change to enum
20150313 15:50:51< gfgtdf> iceiceice: and qwith make_enum macro it shouldnt be omplicated to store it into teh config.
20150313 15:50:56< gfgtdf> complicated*
20150313 15:54:24< gfgtdf> iceiceice: you know whether this bug: http://gna.org/bugs/?23310 i also present in 1.10 ?
20150313 15:55:18< gfgtdf> iceiceice: thhat is if you save a game during a replay at turn beginn and then reload it as a game the turn events will be skipped.
20150313 15:56:05< iceiceice> i dont know if its present
20150313 15:56:21< iceiceice> i guess probably it is?
20150313 15:56:38< iceiceice> because there were some issues about "init_side_done_" i thought that were fixed recently
20150313 15:56:41< gfgtdf> hm ok
20150313 15:56:47< iceiceice> i dont know thoug
20150313 16:00:54< bumbadadabum> I'm having the weirdest bug in EI
20150313 16:00:59< bumbadadabum> one of my white mages isn't healing anyone
20150313 16:01:02< bumbadadabum> and Dacyn is
20150313 16:03:40< bumbadadabum> does he have an invisible "lazy" trait?
20150313 16:03:47< bumbadadabum> is this a new way of balancing campaigns
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20150313 16:10:27< iceiceice> how recent is it?
20150313 16:10:42< iceiceice> most recent relevant commits are probably these two:
20150313 16:10:44< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/1e4650cc2c34b61e3fd65154198e8b38fb454541
20150313 16:10:51< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/14e85a38ba34587916c406da853e106c8870c4e8
20150313 16:11:32< iceiceice> idk if its really relevant though
20150313 16:11:55< bumbadadabum> it probably is
20150313 16:12:36< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: S3 seems fine with the riders. I tried out putting them on side 2 and giving side 4 bats
20150313 16:13:11< bumbadadabum> it helps differentiate the enemy leaders as well, giving the player more of a choice gameplay-wise in the scenario itself as well
20150313 16:13:33< bumbadadabum> previously the choice between the 2 leaders was purely based on the next scenario
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20150313 17:35:36< molgrum> hmm, how does BOOST_FOREACH(const int foo, bar) work? i'm puzzled about that const, doesn't foo assume different values for every loop?
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20150313 18:34:08< iceiceice> molgrum: no, its more complicated than that i gues
20150313 18:34:21< iceiceice> its pretty common to see things like
20150313 18:34:45< iceiceice> std::vector<T> T_vector;
20150313 18:34:50< iceiceice> BOOST_FOREACH( const T & t, T_vector ) { ... }
20150313 18:35:33< iceiceice> i dont know all the details, i mean its some macro,
20150313 18:35:38< iceiceice> but i dont think ive ever been confused by its behavior
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20150313 18:48:20< molgrum> okay :/
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20150313 20:23:51< irker254> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master d7cb138796e8 / src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): add "random faction mode" mp game setting, mp configure option http://git.io/p7jq
20150313 20:23:51< irker254> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 8146c42ff779 / src/game_initialization/ (connect_engine.cpp connect_engine.hpp flg_manager.cpp flg_manager.hpp): implement the random faction options in the connect engine, flg man http://git.io/p7jm
20150313 20:23:51< irker254> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 8312cd1b5f82 / src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): use the mersenne twister rng for random faction, side shuffling http://git.io/p7jY
20150313 20:23:52< irker254> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master bf5fd171a889 / src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): refactor random_faction_mode to be an enum rather than an int http://git.io/p7jO
20150313 20:23:53< irker254> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 8fffc852f517 / src/game_initialization/ (multiplayer_configure.cpp multiplayer_configure.hpp): fixup some mp configure UI associated to the random factions option http://git.io/p7j3
20150313 20:23:55< irker254> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:master 4f7099895d1e / src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Merge pull request #385 from cbeck88/random_faction_mode http://git.io/p7js
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20150313 20:44:03< shadowm> molgrum: foo gets instantiated and destroyed for every iteration, that's why it can be a const variable (even a reference).
20150313 20:45:50< shadowm> Think of it like `for (size_t n = 0; n < bar.size(); ++n) { const int foo = bar[n]; }` if bar were a std::vector<int>..
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20150313 20:48:32< molgrum> aah ok, thanks for clarifying it
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