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20150314 00:00:34< shadowm> iceiceice: We are not participating in GSoC 2015.
20150314 00:01:05< iceiceice> did i miss an email, or it just wasn't an email?
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20150314 00:01:35< shadowm> Nobody bothered to send an email to our ML apparently, but those who follow GSoC happenings found it first anyway.
20150314 00:01:35< iceiceice> i remembered there being some last minute effort to sign up
20150314 00:01:42< shadowm> *found out
20150314 00:02:22< shadowm> Or second, I guess, since I assume our org admins (noy and Ivanovic) get notified before the list goes live.
20150314 00:02:43< noy> ah, we are not. I’ve not written an email.
20150314 00:02:56< noy> I’ve been busy… sorry
20150314 00:03:33< iceiceice> ok good to know
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20150314 00:08:02< shadowm> iceiceice: We did sign up, but we weren't accepted.
20150314 00:08:49< shadowm> That ends our 6 year streak I guess.
20150314 00:09:15< iceiceice> ah, too bad
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20150314 05:10:00< vultraz> iceiceice: actually, we didn't get accepted into GSOC this year
20150314 05:10:14< iceiceice> yeah i was informed
20150314 05:10:58< vultraz> so is end of 15 early 16 still the target?
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20150314 05:44:02< irker856> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 659b9a414131 / projectfiles/VC9/WML_tests.cmd src/wesnoth.cpp: Fix performance of MSVC OpenMP builds http://git.io/pFsR
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20150314 05:53:23< irker856> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:1.12 c61167472bb8 / src/game.cpp: Fix performance of MSVC OpenMP builds http://git.io/pFGn
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20150314 07:21:28< iceiceice> vultraz: i would like it to be, i hope that we will discuss it
20150314 07:23:12< iceiceice> i think we should discuss what features we want to be in 1.14,
20150314 07:23:42< iceiceice> if we get done half of what is in fabi's "feature plan" thread on the forums i think it will be a pretty good release :)
20150314 07:23:59< iceiceice> plus whatever others add who have not written their ideas there
20150314 07:24:40< iceiceice> i think i'm almost done with the "autodownload addons" feature
20150314 07:25:08< iceiceice> if it works well i think many umc will be happy about that
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20150314 08:02:53< vultraz> iceiceice: I think we should also focus on adding some more wml features before 1.14
20150314 08:04:03< iceiceice> what do you want to add?
20150314 08:05:48< vultraz> Well, that suggestion in EasyCoding about [query_location] is a good one
20150314 08:06:34< vultraz> I can't remember if something was every done about allowing [command] in [advancement]... I seem to recall talking with someone about it but I totally forgot what the substance was
20150314 08:06:43< vultraz> so I don't remember what we concluded
20150314 08:07:19< vultraz> uh...work on making any remaining applicable event types mp-safe
20150314 08:07:45< iceiceice> yeah i think gfgtdf did alot of work in that direction
20150314 08:07:56< iceiceice> maybe the user-defined help pages is an item also?
20150314 08:08:11< vultraz> perhaps
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20150314 08:10:02< iceiceice> maybe you can put some of these in this thread? http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41389 
20150314 08:10:15< iceiceice> if you just want to suggest them maybe indicate that somehow idk?
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20150314 08:10:58< iceiceice> i dont have a good sense of what things are particularly difficult in wml right now
20150314 08:11:11< iceiceice> b/c i dont really maintain any large add-ons or campaigns
20150314 08:11:59< vultraz> I also wanted to consider improving the loading screen and credits screen
20150314 08:12:02< vultraz> but that's not WML
20150314 08:12:33< vultraz> for example, why doesn't the loadscreen use a proper widget?
20150314 08:12:44< vultraz> it's just color-filled areas
20150314 08:12:47< iceiceice> i have no idea
20150314 08:14:36< vultraz> we should just make it use a progressbar
20150314 08:16:44< iceiceice> like the addon download things?
20150314 08:17:09< iceiceice> i think dave must have for some reason favored this black background loading screen,
20150314 08:17:19< iceiceice> alot of games have one like that, for instance i know civ 4 does
20150314 08:17:46< vultraz> yeah, like the addons download thing
20150314 08:19:06< vultraz> I don't think it's as much favored as it was simple
20150314 08:19:12< vultraz> but it could keep it this way
20150314 08:35:43< vultraz> iceiceice: in any case, I think we should release 1.13.0 soon
20150314 08:37:05< iceiceice> yeah agreed
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20150314 08:46:11< vultraz> how does around easter sound?
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20150314 08:49:19< vultraz> shadowm: would you be up to handling a release then?
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20150314 12:54:03< Sulfur> Does the [resistance] tag work with affect_allies=yes? I've written an AoE-steadfast ability, but somehow it does not work: http://pastebin.com/WsSSv9eL
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20150314 13:43:57< Ravana_> it does work for allies
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20150314 16:00:00< zookeeper> i wonder if something's changed WRT variable substitution in [event] name
20150314 16:02:02< zookeeper> well, probably not.
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20150314 16:28:01< irker093> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:1.12 acb4cfe997f1 / / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed the ENEMY_ATTACK sequence never triggering http://git.io/pN5E
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20150314 16:28:51< irker093> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master acf97ec4ef41 / data/core/about.cfg: updated German credits http://git.io/pN5h
20150314 16:29:16< irker093> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 f032fc4e7cbd / data/core/about.cfg: updated German credits http://git.io/pNdt
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20150314 16:33:43< vultraz> zookeeper: what about in master?
20150314 16:33:57< zookeeper> it takes time to workaround git
20150314 16:34:04< zookeeper> i'll do it when i can
20150314 16:37:14< zookeeper> i guess i'll just take the risk and see if stashing works...
20150314 16:39:31< zookeeper> wow, it did
20150314 16:41:55< zookeeper> there
20150314 16:42:06< irker093> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master b63ec6f8d08f / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: Fixed the ENEMY_ATTACK sequence never triggering http://git.io/pNA5
20150314 16:42:40< iceiceice> random question:
20150314 16:42:49< iceiceice> so i guess that we support "single file" addons?
20150314 16:42:55< iceiceice> that only have .cfg file and not a directory?
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20150314 16:44:13< iceiceice> there is some code in the addon loading function around this that has to do with, the server generates _info.cfg files automatically
20150314 16:44:35< iceiceice> my question, how do people upload those addons?
20150314 16:44:59< iceiceice> it seems that if you made a .pbl file and put it in the directory, it would on longer recognize your add-on
20150314 16:45:05< iceiceice> if it were a single file add-on
20150314 16:45:27< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/game_config_manager.cpp#L353
20150314 16:46:46< zookeeper> i don't know. it could just be a remnant of the old myaddon.cfg+myaddon/ system before _main.cfg's were invented
20150314 16:47:01< zookeeper> (is the old way supposed to work anymore? i don't know even that!)
20150314 16:47:12< vultraz> I don't know
20150314 16:47:20< vultraz> possibly 
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20150314 16:47:54< vultraz> but that is what I was thinking
20150314 16:48:23< iceiceice> i guess i should try to figure out how old this code is
20150314 16:49:03< iceiceice> i guess 2013
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20150314 16:55:54< vultraz> "// Append the $user_campaign_dir/*.cfg files to addons_to_load."
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20150314 16:56:11< aquileia> Just here for a moment...
20150314 16:56:13< vultraz> sounds like it refers to the old myaddon.cfg +myaddon/ system
20150314 16:56:16< vultraz> iceiceice: ^
20150314 16:56:38< aquileia> iceiceice: Is there any reason not to remove the .old scripts in https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/tree/master/utils/travis ?
20150314 16:56:40< iceiceice> yeah thats what i think too
20150314 16:56:51< iceiceice> but my question is just about how that system works,
20150314 16:57:01< iceiceice> so what i'm trying to do right now is figure out how to determine the current version of an addon
20150314 16:57:15< iceiceice> i think the correct way is to check the info file first
20150314 16:57:17< iceiceice> then the pbl file
20150314 16:57:37< vultraz> yes
20150314 16:57:42< aquileia> zookeeper: "git cherry-pick acb4cfe9" would have saved you the hassle of retyping the commit message
20150314 16:58:28< zookeeper> aquileia, i know, but then it'd have picked the changelog change too and i'd have had to remove that by hand and i wasn't sure if cherry-picking creates a commit or local changes so i took the path of least potential frustration
20150314 16:58:35< iceiceice> aquileia: probably not
20150314 16:58:58< iceiceice> vultraz: the thing i'm not totally clear on is if the old-style addons can even have a pbl file in the first place?
20150314 16:59:08< iceiceice> and if they cant then how do they get uploaded
20150314 16:59:16< vultraz> they must have
20150314 16:59:17< vultraz> somewhere
20150314 16:59:25< vultraz> likely that code got scrapped...sometime
20150314 16:59:28< iceiceice> so in the C++ line that i pointed to,
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20150314 16:59:54< iceiceice> the logic is like "if you are a .cfg file in the addons folder, and there is no associated directory, or that directory contains exactly one file which is _info.cfg, then load this add-on"
20150314 17:00:24< aquileia> iceiceice: Then, if you don't mind, I'll remove these while I'm adding a line to the wml test script
20150314 17:00:32< iceiceice> ok sure, thank you
20150314 17:01:26< vultraz> iceiceice: I think we should just drop any support for .cfg files in the addons folder
20150314 17:01:46< vultraz> if you want a singlefile addon, it can go in its own folder
20150314 17:01:47< vultraz> makes more sense
20150314 17:01:49< vultraz> saves hassle
20150314 17:01:57< vultraz> and we don't have to puzzle over this code
20150314 17:02:36< iceiceice> are there any single file add-ons currently in 1.12?
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20150314 17:02:42< iceiceice> is it easy to check that?
20150314 17:03:58< vultraz> don't think so
20150314 17:04:06< vultraz> that old format has been obsolete for several releases now
20150314 17:04:12< vultraz> probably 1.8 or 1.10
20150314 17:04:27< zookeeper> i don't recall ever seeing a single-file (as in just a myaddon.cfg) add-on
20150314 17:04:32< vultraz> and I think the addon server doesn't even upload them anymorre
20150314 17:04:54< zookeeper> of course there are add-ons with just myaddon/_main.cfg, but i take it that you didn't ask that
20150314 17:05:03< iceiceice> yeah thats not what i'm talkin about
20150314 17:06:13< vultraz> disclaimer: I'm not sure if the server rejects them
20150314 17:06:24< vultraz> but I believe I remember it mentioned somewhere...
20150314 17:06:55< irker093> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master a349b0eb7ee6 / / (4 files in 2 dirs): WML tests: Delete old scripts, fix OpenMP http://git.io/pAJA
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20150314 18:50:55< iceiceice> vultraz: i am testing now with this commit: https://github.com/cbeck88/wesnoth/commit/aecca4baabf808eea3f61a188f1a21fd1d5a1ef3
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20150314 20:55:40< gfgtdf> vultraz: 20150314 08:07:19< vultraz> uh...work on making any remaining applicable event types mp-safe.
20150314 20:55:41< gfgtdf> The only event types that are not mp-safe are listed here: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/EventWML#Multiplayer_safety and that page also explains why they are not mp-safe.
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20150314 21:31:36< shadowm> vultraz: When is easter? 
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20150314 22:05:58< iceiceice> vultraz: i think i figured it out,
20150314 22:06:04< iceiceice> i guess you were supposed to have my_addon.cfg
20150314 22:06:06< iceiceice> and my_addon.pbl
20150314 22:06:09< iceiceice> in the addons dir
20150314 22:06:16< iceiceice> at least there is a bunch of add-on manager code that works that way
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20150314 22:53:27< shadowm> 14:02:37 <iceiceice> are there any single file add-ons currently in 1.12?
20150314 22:53:38< shadowm> If only there was a person who could possibly know that!
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20150314 22:56:17< shadowm> 13:57:02 <iceiceice> so what i'm trying to do right now is figure out how to determine the current version of an addon
20150314 22:56:20< shadowm> 13:57:16 <iceiceice> i think the correct way is to check the info file first
20150314 22:56:23< shadowm> 13:57:18 <iceiceice> then the pbl file
20150314 22:56:25< shadowm> No.
20150314 22:56:27< shadowm> 13:57:37 <vultraz> yes
20150314 22:56:36< shadowm> The answer is no, you do it the other way around, pbl first, info next.
20150314 22:56:37< iceiceice> shadowm: for what its worth, i did figre out that you made an api for this
20150314 22:56:45< iceiceice> so that was the right answer :p
20150314 22:57:11< shadowm> If you have a pbl file, whatever is in there always takes precedence.
20150314 22:59:58< shadowm> 22:59:40 shadowm@website:/home/wesnoth$ find addons-unpacked/1.8 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*.cfg' | wc -l
20150314 23:00:01< shadowm> 72
20150314 23:00:05< shadowm> 22:59:45 shadowm@website:/home/wesnoth$ find addons-unpacked/1.9 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*.cfg' | wc -l
20150314 23:00:08< shadowm> 5
20150314 23:00:24< shadowm> 22:59:49 shadowm@website:/home/wesnoth$ find addons-unpacked/1.12 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '*.cfg' | wc -l
20150314 23:00:27< shadowm> 0
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20150314 23:00:45< shadowm> That's the number of single-file add-ons on 1.8, 1.9/1.10, and 1.12.
20150314 23:01:03< shadowm> 1.11 has only one.
20150314 23:02:07< shadowm> Or one that somehow has the root file *and* root directory, actually.
20150314 23:02:11< shadowm> *has both the
20150314 23:08:19< iceiceice> ok thank you
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