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20150321 02:31:35< aquileia> shadowm: That page hasn't been updated for ages, it seems... http://www.wesnoth.org/manual/stable/manual.en.html
20150321 02:32:59< aquileia> I think the it still references the 1.10 branch of the repo
20150321 02:34:56< shadowm> Uh?
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20150321 02:36:00< shadowm> Bleh.
20150321 02:36:02< shadowm> wtf
20150321 02:36:42< aquileia> I have no idea where that part of the website code is (not in wesnoth/website, it seems) so you'll have to look into it
20150321 02:36:50< shadowm> Why didn't anyone tell me this before.
20150321 02:36:51< shadowm> Fixed.
20150321 02:36:55< aquileia> Thanks
20150321 02:37:06< shadowm> It's not code, it's just two symbolic links.
20150321 02:37:35< shadowm> Weird, I recall updating links on the same day of the release.
20150321 02:39:43< aquileia> "Why didn't anyone tell me this before." Well, if you have the ingame help & a local copy of the html manual you're unlikely to visit the manual page online
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20150321 02:40:31< shadowm> That's speaking for yourself and other developers. It's the players' duty to report things like this!
20150321 02:40:32< aquileia> I just did because I'm fixing the orb colors in the manual and wondered where it's used
20150321 02:41:46< aquileia> No idea how frequently people visit that page, seems rather hidden
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20150321 02:42:38< shadowm> Linked from the front page with one indirection level.
20150321 02:43:08< aquileia> oh...
20150321 02:43:17< aquileia> derp
20150321 02:43:34< shadowm> Also from the Play page, idem.
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20150321 02:44:25< aquileia> Well, thanks for fixing it, and bye
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20150321 03:33:47< Necrosporus> shadowm, a player doesn't necessarily know that updated manual page exists at all
20150321 03:34:35< Necrosporus> And she won't necessarily notice that there's anything wrong worth reporting
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20150321 03:57:20< aquileia> We might want to put the Skeleton Rider into core - UtBS, EI and Liberty all use that unit
20150321 03:57:32< bumbadadabum> I suggested that
20150321 03:57:37< bumbadadabum> but IIRC zookeeper said no
20150321 03:58:11< aquileia> bumbadadabum: BTW, what blade defense did you want? 70 or 80?
20150321 03:58:17< bumbadadabum> 80
20150321 03:58:25< aquileia> ok, then I'll fix that
20150321 03:58:35< bumbadadabum> I did 70 for the bone knight IIRC?
20150321 03:59:08< aquileia> yes
20150321 03:59:38< aquileia> Or... is it intended that it changes on levelup?
20150321 04:00:38< aquileia> I'd rather have all 5 mounted skeletons have the same resistances
20150321 04:00:49< bumbadadabum> <aquileia> Or... is it intended that it changes on levelup?
20150321 04:00:57< bumbadadabum> yes, like cavalryman -> dragoon
20150321 04:01:13< aquileia> Oh, wasn't aware of that, ok then
20150321 04:01:32< aquileia> then I'll only fix the arcane resistance of the knight
20150321 04:01:43< bumbadadabum> ok
20150321 04:03:06< vultraz> I don't see why it can't be in core as a standalone
20150321 04:03:15< bumbadadabum> if the chocobone is in...
20150321 04:03:21< vultraz> like the chocobone
20150321 04:03:48< vultraz> why does no one use chocobones :P
20150321 04:03:56< bumbadadabum> they're shit
20150321 04:04:04< bumbadadabum> and the worst kind of unit to face as well
20150321 04:04:13< bumbadadabum> same reason giving the AI lancers is evil
20150321 04:04:21< aquileia> As to the chocobone... I'm changing it's resistances to standard skeleton if noone minds
20150321 04:04:21< vultraz> they add variety tho
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20150321 04:05:12< aquileia> It's probably easiest to push my branch and provide the link...
20150321 04:05:24< bumbadadabum> <aquileia> As to the chocobone... I'm changing it's resistances to standard skeleton if noone minds
20150321 04:05:31< bumbadadabum> maybe base it more on the skeleton rider?
20150321 04:05:40< bumbadadabum> like cavalryman compared to horseman?
20150321 04:05:49< aquileia> Honestly, the less resistance exceptions the better
20150321 04:06:02< bumbadadabum> maybe give them a movetype
20150321 04:06:18< aquileia> skeletal_mounted ?
20150321 04:06:26< vultraz> ja ja ja
20150321 04:06:33< bumbadadabum> undeadmounted is the name in my era iirc
20150321 04:06:55< aquileia> Well, I create skeletalfoot anyhow
20150321 04:07:09< bumbadadabum> I might do the mounted movetype
20150321 04:07:38< aquileia> If we're both adding movetypes, conflicts are likely...
20150321 04:07:48< bumbadadabum> or you do it
20150321 04:07:55< bumbadadabum> I'll look over it tomorrow
20150321 04:09:02< aquileia> underwater movement + mounted land movement, I suppose
20150321 04:09:14< bumbadadabum> yeah
20150321 04:09:23< bumbadadabum> and the skeleton rider's resistances
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20150321 04:37:33< irker960> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 3be7d97e719a / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/ (maps/05a_The_Pursuit.map scenarios/05a_The_Pursuit.cfg): NR S5a: offset doors to spider room one SW http://git.io/hPfR
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20150321 04:58:15< aquileia> bumbadadabum: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/compare/master...aquileia:cherries
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20150321 04:59:35< aquileia> The commit with the swapped khalifate advancements is there only for discussion, I won't merge it yet
20150321 05:00:32< bumbadadabum> aquileia: Don't do it for the lich and ancient lich
20150321 05:00:40< bumbadadabum> they have different resists on purpose afaik
20150321 05:01:21< aquileia> Being more susceptible to pierce although being skeletons? I really think it was just overlooked
20150321 05:01:21< bumbadadabum> the death knight is fine to fix, think I even did that sometime
20150321 05:01:32< bumbadadabum> we've had talks about this
20150321 05:01:40< bumbadadabum> pinging shadowm and zookeeper for this
20150321 05:01:46< bumbadadabum> I need to go now though, sadly
20150321 05:01:49< bumbadadabum> I'll read the logs
20150321 05:02:08< aquileia> I've got to sleep as well, so you won't miss out on anything
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20150321 07:56:38< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f2aad3fdca0d / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/05a_The_Pursuit.cfg: NR S5a: improved/fixed early objectives http://git.io/hP8t
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20150321 08:19:59< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master a5ade4161764 / data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (8 files in 2 dirs): AOI: improved hint formatting http://git.io/hP0n
20150321 08:23:37< vultraz> *groan* HTTT objective formatting
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20150321 08:28:23< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e67bb551e80c / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/ (02_The_Escape_Tunnel.cfg 12_Evacuation.cfg): EI: improved note formatting http://git.io/hPEr
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20150321 08:47:42< irker298> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master c45d93c4434e / po/ (wesnoth-manpages/gl.po wesnoth/gl.po): updated Galician translation http://git.io/hPgA
20150321 08:47:44< irker298> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 958cb2d9c5c7 / changelog players_changelog: fixed changelog formatting to 80 chars per line http://git.io/hPgx
20150321 08:47:46< irker298> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 f71548c0790b / changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-units/gl.po po/wesnoth/gl.po: updated Galician translation http://git.io/hPgp
20150321 08:47:48< irker298> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 13b42234ed52 / changelog players_changelog: fixed changelog formatting to 80 chars per line http://git.io/hPgh
20150321 08:49:37< vultraz> I have never understood this 80 chars per line thing
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20150321 09:07:06< zookeeper> it's for people using 70's tech or who are too lazy to resize whatever window they use for viewing the text :p
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20150321 10:00:25< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d8b36e5d0809 / data/lua/wml/objectives.lua: Add a newline between objective sections http://git.io/hPQZ
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20150321 11:22:32< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master ac8ca832664d / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/10_Alone_at_Last.cfg: DiD S10: simplify Dela's castle creation, and redraw after each http://git.io/hXYa
20150321 11:22:35< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 6688532eca0c / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/utils/macros.cfg: DiD: small indent fix http://git.io/hXYV
20150321 11:22:53< vultraz> damn, I meant to say just castle creation, not Dela's specfically
20150321 11:22:55< vultraz> oh well
20150321 11:23:00< vultraz> doesn't really matter
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20150321 11:36:16< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c210a9d1dffe / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/maps/03_An_Unexpected_Appearance.map: EI S3: saved map in new format http://git.io/hXG0
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20150321 12:27:08< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#6022 (master - c210a9d : Charles Dang): The build has errored.
20150321 12:27:08< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/55281729
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20150321 12:57:04< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 79ca047bd4cf / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/20a_North_Elves.cfg: HTT S20a: updated note formatting http://git.io/hXwU
20150321 12:57:07< irker298> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f85767a69628 / data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/utils/bigmap.cfg: HTTT: fixed indent http://git.io/hXwT
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20150321 16:24:57< irker298> wesnoth: Elias Pschernig wesnoth:master 2d19275f6ffe / data/tools/ (wesnoth/wmlparser2.py wmlunits): [units.wesnoth.org] Increase addon parsing timeout to 60 seconds. http://git.io/h16F
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20150321 16:33:38< AI0867> aquileia: that's not as much a discussion, as a bit of archeology (of stuff that I did)
20150321 16:36:28< vultraz> who's that guy
20150321 16:42:21< Kwandulin> allefant
20150321 16:42:34< Kwandulin> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=582274#p582274
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20150321 18:02:59< gfgtdf> iceiceice (or anyone else that cold know): do you know what goes wrong in this build? https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/55302513
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20150321 18:39:16< aquileia> gfgtdf: To me it looks like all jobs errored at the same time, so it's probably a travis issue
20150321 18:39:53< gfgtdf> aquileia: you know what i can do ? i already restarted teh job and it was aborted again
20150321 18:40:00< gfgtdf> at teh same position i thin
20150321 18:40:03< gfgtdf> zjink*
20150321 18:40:50< aquileia> At the same position? Each job errored at a different file (that's the reason I think it's on their side)
20150321 18:41:35< aquileia> But no, I have no idea what you could do besides restarting
20150321 18:43:22< aquileia> If you look at the left status bar ("Recent") quite a lot of travis builds errored the last few minutes (some on trivial things like getting dependencies)
20150321 18:44:03< aquileia> I'd just give them a day and try again tomorrow, who knows
20150321 18:44:24< gfgtdf> aquileia: ok thx
20150321 18:48:39< aquileia> <AI0867> aquileia: that's not as much a discussion, as a bit of archeology (of stuff that I did)
20150321 18:49:01< aquileia> AI0867: What do you mean?
20150321 18:50:16< aquileia> I'd have said the discussion is at least relevant in that the support for single file addons was partially dropped back then
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20150321 18:53:38< aquileia> Well, I'll read the logs...
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20150321 19:06:33< vultraz> zookeeper: should we deprecate NO_GOLD_CARRYOVER_NOTE? I'm replacing the mainline cases with [gold_carryover] carryover_percentage=0
20150321 19:08:24< zookeeper> i suppose it can be?
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20150321 20:38:05< AI0867> aquileia: true, but without much discussion about it
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20150321 23:01:58< aquileia> vultraz: reproduced #23374, the explanation is rather simple: Help topics are listed by name, so when you click on "inspire", you'll always see the same page regardless whether it was the L1, L2 or L3 inspire
20150321 23:02:53< aquileia> As we don't want to have three separate topics, the easiest fix is to change it to one generic description (as with leadership)
20150321 23:06:36< aquileia> e.g. "do 25% more damage plus 25% for each level the inspiring unit is above it"
20150321 23:07:36< aquileia> s/do/deal
20150321 23:08:15< aquileia> or "deal 25% more damage plus 25% for each level it is below the inspiring unit."
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20150321 23:11:14< irker723> wesnoth: timotei wesnoth:master 613e8bc29d12 / utils/umc_dev/org.wesnoth/src/org/wesnoth/views/AddonsView.java: umc ide: Allow overriding addons server port http://git.io/hDDC
20150321 23:11:17< irker723> wesnoth: timotei wesnoth:master 920f59f963be / utils/umc_dev/build/update_version: umc ide: Use binary mode when modifying version http://git.io/hDDW
20150321 23:11:18< irker723> wesnoth: timotei wesnoth:master 62b08404f6c8 / utils/umc_dev/ (6 files in 5 dirs): umc ide: post-release version bump to 2.0.3 http://git.io/hDDl
20150321 23:11:20< irker723> wesnoth: timotei wesnoth:master b6b172c5ba97 / utils/umc_dev/build/ (.gitignore SConstruct): umc ide: Update the default output paths http://git.io/hDD8
20150321 23:11:22< irker723> wesnoth: timotei wesnoth:master d3ea22dcab89 / utils/umc_dev/build/ (.gitignore SConstruct build.xml keystore): umc ide: Improve the keystore signing process http://git.io/hDD4
20150321 23:11:30< irker723> wesnoth: timotei website:master cbbe0feea13a / eclipse.wesnoth.org/updates/ (62 files in 4 dirs): Update umc ide plugin to 2.0.3 http://git.io/hDDz
20150321 23:15:25< irker723> wesnoth: timotei website:master 4324bb11a5c0 / eclipse.wesnoth.org/ (download.html index.html): Update info on latest version http://git.io/hDyq
20150321 23:15:57< irker723> wesnoth: timotei website:master 7018406475a4 / eclipse.wesnoth.org/index.html: Small correction on the actual released versions http://git.io/hDyl
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20150321 23:19:14< shadowm> timotei_: Yes, change the name.
20150321 23:19:38< timotei_> Hmm...
20150321 23:19:48< shadowm> (Not going to help you with that, though.)
20150321 23:19:54< timotei_> Any suggestion on how to start with that? :P
20150321 23:21:11< aquileia> vultraz: As there's an error in the description ("more 25% more") I might as well change it to the generic version
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20150321 23:33:48< irker723> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 171be9799450 / data/core/units/khalifate/ (Khalid.cfg Shuja.cfg): Disable standard advancement to Khalid http://git.io/hDQv
20150321 23:33:50< irker723> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master d06b515ad4c1 / / (8 files in 4 dirs): Fix orb colors in ingame help and manual http://git.io/hDQf
20150321 23:33:52< irker723> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 12ac38361a06 / data/core/units/orcs/Nightblade.cfg: Add disabled Nightblade advancement http://git.io/hDQJ
20150321 23:33:54< irker723> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master f3acd7a8bb56 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/abilities.cfg: THoT: Fix bug #23374 (inspire help topic) http://git.io/hDQU
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20150321 23:39:58< bumbadadabum> help, how do I droid enemy sides in SP
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20150321 23:56:46< irker723> wesnoth: Elias Pschernig wesnoth:master 4872b1d91b98 / data/tools/wmlunits: [units.wesnoth.org] Reduced timeout again to avoid out of memory. http://git.io/hDFh
20150321 23:59:36< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: arent enemy dies by default drioded ?
20150321 23:59:44< bumbadadabum> well, undroid rather
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