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20150322 00:01:39< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: <ou want do do it duuring its turn ?
20150322 00:02:01< bumbadadabum> I want to be able to do "droid x" like in 1.11
20150322 00:02:49< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: from looking at the code i'd say thats bot possible
20150322 00:03:21< gfgtdf> not*
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20150322 00:06:36< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: wait your you plaing 1.12 or 1.13 ?
20150322 00:06:40< bumbadadabum> 1.13
20150322 00:08:21< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: hm ok no i dont think taht currently possible in 1.13
20150322 00:09:07< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: most likeley this is the commits the makes droid for 'natural' ai sides impossible. https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/5732ed504dbf585c2dad0a8cd16f27755be40c35
20150322 00:09:48< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ^ maybe we should also use the proxy_controller field for ai sides ?
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20150322 00:43:37< irker723> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 280dd8e7edc6 / src/ (37 files in 7 dirs): fix some indention http://git.io/hyvw
20150322 00:43:39< irker723> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master e02103e6bff2 / src/image_modifications.cpp: simplify REGISTER_MOD_PARSER macro http://git.io/hyvr
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20150322 01:39:06< iceiceice> gfgtdf: yeah i guess we should do that
20150322 01:39:15< iceiceice> i guess proxy controller can work for any local side
20150322 01:39:34< iceiceice> one thing i didn't know,
20150322 01:39:52< iceiceice> should we add a command so that you can change the full controller type?
20150322 01:39:57< iceiceice> if your scenario is misconfigured or something
20150322 01:40:02< iceiceice> like how droid used to work
20150322 01:40:25< iceiceice> if you aren't debugging things, i think the new droid that affects proxy controller only, is more useful
20150322 01:40:36< bumbadadabum> maybe controller side [human|ai|null]?
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20150322 01:41:25< iceiceice> yeah i guess we could do that
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20150322 02:30:46< gfgtdf> iceiceice: what woudl be a usecase for such a command that changes the controller instead of the proxy controller?
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20150322 16:08:54< Ravana_> Is there interest in having list of multiplayer prefixes(for variables and ids) that people wish to claim as theirs in conflictable addons?
20150322 16:15:29< zookeeper> can't hurt, i suppose. it'd be good if it was comprehensive, but that's impossible of course
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20150322 16:53:38< irker762> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 1a69293d37c4 / src/game_initialization/multiplayer_lobby.cpp: refactor gamebrowser::game_matches_filter http://git.io/hHmF
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20150322 19:29:55< gfgtdf> iceiceice: if commands like "droid" only happen locally i wonder whether this is dead code: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/bb0ecd14c0759006efcc792fea27127cd1a0122a/src/playturn.cpp#L193
20150322 19:31:24< irker762> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 49a6fef4c8d7 / src/game_initialization/multiplayer_lobby.cpp: fix unused variable http://git.io/hHjd
20150322 19:44:29< irker762> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 51d3dc1dc612 / src/mp_game_settings.cpp: fix unused variable http://git.io/hQJj
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20150322 19:59:47< gfgtdf> iceiceice: just saw that we use proxy ai and not normal ai here https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/bb0ecd14c0759006efcc792fea27127cd1a0122a/src/playturn.cpp#L308 
20150322 20:00:38< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i wonder whether that is correct. I thought proxy ai means let an at play for a local human (so thart the client gets vision for that side)
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20150322 21:04:03< iceiceice> 20150322 02:30:46< gfgtdf> iceiceice: what woudl be a usecase for such a command that changes the controller instead of the proxy controller?
20150322 21:04:17< iceiceice> one of the use cases for droid in 1.10 was to work around bugs in the mp connect stuff
20150322 21:04:47< iceiceice> if you were playing a cooperative battle vs ai and reloaded the games, sometimes the two clients would get out of sync about which sides were AI
20150322 21:05:02< iceiceice> you could fix it by manually toggling the controller types with :droid
20150322 21:05:17< iceiceice> which would cause a server message to be sent to make sure all the AIs are AIs for every player
20150322 21:05:58< iceiceice> if you have a side which is not configured to be visible in the mp connect set up screen,
20150322 21:06:10< iceiceice> but there is a bug which causes it not to be the right controller,
20150322 21:06:25< iceiceice> then I guess a controller command is desirable
20150322 21:07:21< iceiceice> 20150322 19:29:55< gfgtdf> iceiceice: if commands like "droid" only happen locally i wonder whether this is dead code: 
20150322 21:07:25< iceiceice> i think its not dead code,
20150322 21:07:39< iceiceice> you can still use :control and :give_control to change the controler of sides
20150322 21:07:50< iceiceice> and it generates a server message which I think is processed at the line you indicated
20150322 21:10:04< iceiceice> iceiceice: i wonder whether that is correct. I thought proxy ai means let an at play for a local human (so thart the client gets vision for that side)
20150322 21:10:22< iceiceice> i think you are right that it should be changed...
20150322 21:10:40< iceiceice> i guess what i would think would be the best behavior is,
20150322 21:10:50< iceiceice> if the side was a remote human and is dropped
20150322 21:10:57< iceiceice> and the user chooses to make it ai,
20150322 21:11:03< iceiceice> it should become a human side but proxy ai
20150322 21:11:06< iceiceice> since it was human originally
20150322 21:11:13< iceiceice> if it is remote ai and it is dropped
20150322 21:11:18< iceiceice> it should become local ai
20150322 21:11:26< iceiceice> i guess
20150322 21:11:45< iceiceice> since the "true" controller status really shouldn't change frequently, that is going to affect things like check victory
20150322 21:12:55< iceiceice> i think the "true" controller type should only change if wml requests it or perhaps if the user explicitly requests it with some controller command (like the old :droid)
20150322 21:14:16< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i think that iss what is it currently
20150322 21:14:43< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but 'human side but proxy ai' gives the current client sight of teh team
20150322 21:15:12< gfgtdf> iceiceice: which is not what you want ti a remote side droppen and transferred into ai
20150322 21:15:45< gfgtdf> iceiceice:  you can still use :control and :give_control to change the controler of sides, 
20150322 21:16:01< gfgtdf> iceiceice: yes i didint mena that whole function, just teh code that handles "controller"
20150322 21:17:01< gfgtdf> iceiceice: since this function https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/menu_events.cpp#L3373 is not used my thougth was that "controller" by default doesnt change
20150322 21:18:43< iceiceice> hmm so how does it work when you are doing hotseat games and you have "anonymous local player" ?
20150322 21:18:46< iceiceice> you don't get vision then?
20150322 21:19:00< iceiceice> i see what the issue is though about proxy ai
20150322 21:19:12< iceiceice> maybe the vision behavior should be a little more complex
20150322 21:19:15< iceiceice> like,
20150322 21:19:41< iceiceice> if the only local human is proxy ai
20150322 21:19:48< iceiceice> then you should get vision because you should see something
20150322 21:19:56< iceiceice> but if there is a local human not proxy
20150322 21:20:09< iceiceice> idk
20150322 21:20:10< iceiceice> i mean wait
20150322 21:20:20< iceiceice> shouldn't it be determined by alliance status / share_vision fields?
20150322 21:20:34< gfgtdf> iceiceice: no thats not what i meant by gettin vision
20150322 21:20:49< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i mean teh viweing team is then taht side
20150322 21:20:53< iceiceice> the issue is that when its the proxy ai team
20150322 21:20:58< iceiceice> what do you see
20150322 21:21:04< iceiceice> do you see your point of view and the ai units moving out of fog
20150322 21:21:11< iceiceice> or do you see the proxy ai point of view
20150322 21:21:37< gfgtdf> iceiceice: since teh team is "yours" (you just droided it) you get teh proxy ai side of veiw
20150322 21:21:48< gfgtdf> point of view*
20150322 21:21:57< iceiceice> yeah... i see
20150322 21:22:29< iceiceice> i think you are right i guess
20150322 21:22:36< iceiceice> probably the side drops to ai should change the controller type to ai
20150322 21:23:17< iceiceice> maybe it can be an option somehow...
20150322 21:23:24< iceiceice> because i think in some cases you want it to be proxy ai
20150322 21:23:41< iceiceice> like if you are in a scenario where its human players allied against an ai
20150322 21:24:23< iceiceice> i guess in that case htouhg you should have share vision on
20150322 21:24:38< iceiceice> yeah i think you are right, probably i was wrong to change it to do proxy ai there
20150322 21:24:51< gfgtdf> iceiceice: or we coudl make it 3 opstions like "normal ai"m "local human droided ai", "any human drioided ai" but i fear that that'd make it too complicated.
20150322 21:25:39< iceiceice> yeah i think its simplest to just make it normal ai
20150322 21:27:20< iceiceice> i think if they want it to be local human droided
20150322 21:27:25< iceiceice> they should just take control themselves
20150322 21:27:28< iceiceice> and then type :droid
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20150322 21:27:54< iceiceice> that way the users who understand the difference will be able to do it
20150322 21:28:00< iceiceice> and it won't confuse the others
20150322 21:28:12< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ok
20150322 21:33:06< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i wonder whether it still makes sense to have proxy controller for ai controlled sides. usually if you want to undroid a ai side you want it to be controller='human' then, changeing teh proxy_controller for an ai side has only uses as a debug feature i think.
20150322 21:33:55< iceiceice> yeah i agree
20150322 21:34:20< iceiceice> it might make sense for symmetry somehow
20150322 21:35:03< iceiceice> i think its useful for debugging anyways
20150322 21:35:18< iceiceice> i have to go, will be back alter
20150322 21:35:20< iceiceice> *later
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