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20150324 15:35:20< irker471> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master c1c3f12b474f / src/serialization/parser.cpp: don't write blank attribute values http://git.io/hjxS
20150324 15:35:20< irker471> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 4f14e72532e7 / src/serialization/parser.cpp: Merge pull request #370 from gfgtdf/parser_blank http://git.io/hjx9
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20150324 15:44:50< irker471> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 9b65db80a39c / src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): allow putting units on recall list for nonpersistent sides http://git.io/jevr
20150324 15:44:52< irker471> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master e503dcef41e9 / src/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Merge pull request #389 from gfgtdf/recall_list http://git.io/jevo
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20150324 16:13:07< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master c3c7e2e362df / data/campaigns/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Convert remaining cases of NO_GOLD_CARRYOVER_NOTE to [gold_carryover] http://git.io/jeGu
20150324 16:13:10< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 2865d1f39264 / data/campaigns/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed some indent on bigmap macros http://git.io/jeGz
20150324 16:13:13< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master ade0a00bdb3f / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/05_A_Subterranean_Struggle.cfg: UtBS S5a: ran wmlindent http://git.io/jeGg
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20150324 16:13:19< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 0af813e2eb22 / data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/ (06b_The_Long_March.cfg 08b_The_Tides_of_War.cfg): TSG: used new format for objective notes http://git.io/jeGa
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20150324 16:26:53< vultraz> zookeeper: ok, looking through the objectives files... seems all of these are obsolete: http://pastebin.com/0b7BHAcD
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20150324 16:27:05< vultraz> not used in mainline either
20150324 16:27:13< vultraz> should we deprecate them all?
20150324 16:27:16< bumbadadabum> shadowm: Do you mind if I add your [remove_terrain_overlays] tag to mainline?
20150324 16:27:24< vultraz> the functionality is handled by the objectives dialog now
20150324 16:27:34< bumbadadabum> I want to use it in EI, and vultraz says he wants to use it in NR as well
20150324 16:29:08< zookeeper> vultraz, fine by me
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20150324 16:35:31< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e945b99bc5c2 / data/core/macros/ (deprecated-utils.cfg objective-utils.cfg): Deprecate obsolete objective macros http://git.io/jezM
20150324 16:41:12< irker471> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 50628d950151 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/maps/04c_Mal-Ravanals_Capital.map: EI: S4c map: version 2 http://git.io/jeay
20150324 16:41:15< irker471> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master c4f0d5be2e0c / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/04c_Mal-Ravanals_Capital.cfg: EI: More updates to S4c http://git.io/jeaS
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20150324 17:20:03< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master e52c41e652b3 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/utils/macros.cfg: THoT: simplify RECALL_VETERAN http://git.io/jeNh
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20150324 18:04:54< mattsc> iceiceice, gfgtdf, aquileia, vultraz, whoever might know this kind of thing:  Hi.  I noticed something that might or might not be a bug.  It’s a pretty unusual usecase, so I’m not quite sure.
20150324 18:06:22< mattsc> I have a unit that, at level 1 at the beginning has advances=null set with a bunch of AMLAs.  After the first AMLA happens, an event sets advances_to to the L2 version of the unit.  So at the next leveling up, it advances to that unit and the remaining AMLAs kick in.
20150324 18:06:33< mattsc> All that works perfectly fine for the most part.
20150324 18:07:54< mattsc> However, I have a scenario in which I use [object] with duration=scenario.  If the unit has had its advances_to changed to the L2 unit type, it gets reset to null at the end of the scenario.
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20150324 18:08:51< mattsc> I have verified that it is the [object] tag that causes this.  As in, if the tag is not there, or if duration=forever is used, the advances_to key is not reset.
20150324 18:09:47< mattsc> I don’t know if this is intended behavior, and I also don’t have time to search the forums and bug reports right now to see if this is known, I just thought I report it here quickly.
20150324 18:10:22< mattsc> There’s an easy workaround for my usecase, so I also don’t really care if you declare this a feature.  :)
20150324 18:13:33< zookeeper> so basically, if the unit has a duration=scenario object, the unit loses (some of its) direct variable modifications when the object is removed at scenario end?
20150324 18:14:25< mattsc> That’s how it appears to me yes.  But not all of them.
20150324 18:14:52< mattsc> For example, the [variables] content remains.
20150324 18:15:27< zookeeper> sure, i bet it only loses the things it'd lose on levelup, or when transformed even to its current type, etc
20150324 18:16:19< mattsc> Hmm, yeah.
20150324 18:16:58< mattsc> I have to be off again.  I’ll read the logs and can come back online later if for information is needed. 
20150324 18:17:02< mattsc> Cheers.
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20150324 18:18:33< zookeeper> getting rid of whatever an object might have done to the unit has to involve basically re-creating the unit, so many direct variable modifications are likely lost at that point.
20150324 18:19:20< zookeeper> ...which would be something that should probably be mentioned alongside duration= in the wiki
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20150324 18:47:44< shadowm> bumbadadabum: I don't want any code from AtS or IftU in mainline.
20150324 18:47:56< bumbadadabum> shadowm: shame, the function is pretty handy
20150324 18:48:39< shadowm> Surely [terrain] can do the same thing anyway using some byzantine combination of options.
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20150324 19:03:56< vultraz> [terrain] layer=overlay terrain = "^" [/terrain] seems to work
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20150324 19:06:27< zookeeper> yes, i'd much rather people use that trick rather than introduce a new tag just for it
20150324 19:06:42< bumbadadabum> k
20150324 19:07:03< vultraz> someone note that on the wiki, then, because plain "" doesn't work
20150324 19:08:33< shadowm> You are a wiki administrator, surely you can edit the relevant page.
20150324 19:09:04< vultraz> fine
20150324 19:09:16< vultraz> you're really bad at reading between the lines to the "im too lazy someone else do it" bit
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20150324 19:09:38< shadowm> That's what you think.
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20150324 19:26:23< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f3510627c2c1 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/06a_Old_Friend.cfg: NR S6a: code cleanup/refactor http://git.io/jvjZ
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20150324 19:55:41< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 629023cede23 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/ (scenarios/06a_Old_Friend.cfg utils/characters.cfg): NR: split Rakshas's definition into a macro http://git.io/jf3D
20150324 19:55:44< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d809fca9c220 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/utils/characters.cfg: NR: use default Soverign portrait for Rakshas for now, instead of his godawful c http://git.io/jf3y
20150324 19:55:47< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 5662f4e70a05 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/ (scenarios/05a_The_Pursuit.cfg utils/characters.cfg): NR S5a: split Elenia and Krash's definitions into their own macros http://git.io/jf3S
20150324 19:57:10< vultraz> we really, really, really need to commission someone to do portraits for NR.
20150324 20:00:12< Ivanovic> vultraz: are you sure that we actually have any money to do so...
20150324 20:00:16< Ivanovic> ;)
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20150324 21:36:42< gfgtdf> mattsc: yes that hot duration=scenario works: the units stats are resettet and then all remaining objscets are reapplied. But since there is afaik no [effect] that can change a units advance_to i dotn see a reason why that value shoudl be resettet.
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20150324 21:37:17< gfgtdf> mattsc: if there is really no [effect] that can chnage a units advance_to= i think we can call that behaviour a bug
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20150324 22:00:43< gfgtdf> this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GameConfigWML says something about download_campaign_image but i cannot find where download_campaign_image is used in the code.
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20150324 22:01:57< shadowm> Sounds like a thing from back when the option described therein actually existed.
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20150324 22:37:50< mattsc> gfgtdf, zookeeper: thanks for the explanations
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20150324 22:38:51< mattsc> gfgtdf: it probably wouldn’t make much sense to have an effect to change advances_to as one would generally not want that to persist after the unit levels up.
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