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20150330 00:16:00< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 54701bafab5f / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/ (scenarios/05a_01_The_Pursuit.cfg utils/herodeaths.cfg): NR: moved initialization/clearing of death dialog index macros into the macro th http://git.io/jr3J
20150330 00:16:27< vultraz> s/macros/variables
20150330 00:16:30< vultraz> o well
20150330 00:18:16< shadowm> Subject length, vultraz.
20150330 00:20:40< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 01e1c4c17f18 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/05_Northern_Outpost.cfg: EI: more improvements to S5 http://git.io/jr3D
20150330 00:20:43< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 4f828b08409e / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/ (_main.cfg lua/bandits.lua scenarios/05_Northern_Outpost.cfg): EI: Rewrote the bandit events in S5 in lua http://git.io/jr3y
20150330 00:25:27< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 3d3b6ddbc0c8 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/utils/herodeaths.cfg: NR: fixup Morvin's 7th death dialog case, and index bumping for both http://git.io/jrsa
20150330 00:33:48< vultraz> bumbadadabum: any way that bandit code can be extended to THoT S8 and/or DiD S2?
20150330 00:34:14< vultraz> probably not, but just wondering
20150330 00:35:15< vultraz> also
20150330 00:35:17< vultraz> {VARIABLE_CONDITIONAL shodrano_killed not_equals yes}
20150330 00:35:20< vultraz> y u no equals no
20150330 00:38:32< shadowm> Nothing wrong with alternate representations of the same logic.
20150330 00:45:49< vultraz> shadowm: BTW, you said you'd deal with the editor help file once I cleaned it up - I have done so
20150330 01:07:23< shadowm> I don't think I said that, but rather that someone cleaning it up was prerequisite for a pot-update.
20150330 01:16:17< vultraz> shadowm: well, could you, please?
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20150330 01:17:58< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/56347380
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20150330 01:19:20< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9fb7a063fcd9 / data/core/editor/help.cfg: Fixed a typo http://git.io/jr8d
20150330 01:19:20< vultraz> and the main help file too has a few things
20150330 01:22:45< bumbadadabum> <vultraz> y u no equals no
20150330 01:22:50< bumbadadabum> not yes does not equal no
20150330 01:23:10< vultraz> what else would you want a 'killed' variable to be
20150330 01:23:12< vultraz> maybe?
20150330 01:23:16< bumbadadabum> who knows
20150330 01:23:40< bumbadadabum> maybe someone tries to fuck with the scenario and sets it to something stupid
20150330 01:24:27< vultraz> if it's stupid it should then not work
20150330 01:24:55< bumbadadabum> <vultraz> bumbadadabum: any way that bandit code can be extended to THoT S8 and/or DiD S2?
20150330 01:25:00< bumbadadabum> how do they work?
20150330 01:25:38< vultraz> former is move to a village, random chance to spawn a random number of bandits that then muf out and appear
20150330 01:25:55< bumbadadabum> then yes
20150330 01:26:39< vultraz> latter is almost the same, except a little simpler
20150330 01:26:48< vultraz> and each one has a villages cleared table
20150330 01:29:27< bumbadadabum> instead of a villages cleared I just remove them from the villages lit
20150330 01:29:29< bumbadadabum> *list
20150330 01:29:57< vultraz> in thot the enemy can also recapture it, so I guess you'd just add it back
20150330 01:30:16< bumbadadabum> yeah
20150330 01:30:22< bumbadadabum> just add a recapture function
20150330 01:32:34< vultraz> can you port it or should I
20150330 01:34:33< shadowm> Ivanovic: Remind me what needs to be done before a .0 development release (other than the usual release stuff). Also, do we even need a one-week-long string freeze prior to it or not, seeing as how it's expected to be pre-alpha quality anyway?
20150330 01:35:48< shadowm> Do you people even want a release? So far I've only seen iceiceice and vultraz say so.
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20150330 01:49:47< iceiceice> shadowm: i was going to ask about a dev release anyways
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20150330 02:22:42< iceiceice> shadowm: i would like a dev release, if only because,
20150330 02:22:54< iceiceice> its useful for people to be able to use the lua console
20150330 02:22:59< iceiceice> to test things
20150330 02:23:18< iceiceice> and if there is a dev release they can do that without compiling from sources
20150330 02:23:56< shadowm> How much has master's API and semantics diverged from 1.12 by now?
20150330 02:24:16< iceiceice> 47.3%
20150330 02:24:45< shadowm> Yeah, that's not a very convincing argument (good thing I don't need one).
20150330 02:25:13< shadowm> I've not touched Wesnoth in months and I'm afraid that the moment I try to run it it'll explode.
20150330 02:25:47< iceiceice> gfgtdf: do you want a dev release 1.13.0 ?
20150330 02:25:57< iceiceice> (actually idk if it would be tagged 1.13.1)
20150330 02:26:12< shadowm> I said .0 about an hour ago.
20150330 02:26:21< bumbadadabum> hmm
20150330 02:26:24< shadowm> 1.11.0, 1.9.0, 1.7.0.
20150330 02:26:32< bumbadadabum> idk I think if we wait a little longer
20150330 02:26:54< shadowm> 1.3.x was the last development series without a .0 release.
20150330 02:27:10< gfgtdf> iceiceice: i see no reasons against a 1.13.0 release
20150330 02:27:18< bumbadadabum> I would wait a week or so
20150330 02:27:34< shadowm> I'm not going to release in 24 hours, that'd be ludicrous.
20150330 02:27:37< gfgtdf> bumbadadabum: , shadowm: why? 
20150330 02:27:37< iceiceice> shadowm: the only reason i was confused was that the current version is listed "1.13.0+dev"
20150330 02:27:51< gfgtdf> i thought it .0-dev
20150330 02:27:54< iceiceice> oh
20150330 02:27:56< shadowm> I was planning to drop an email and give people two weeks to get any bugs sorted out.
20150330 02:27:58< iceiceice> that explains it
20150330 02:28:10< iceiceice> shadowm: i was going to send an email like that later tonight but ask you about it first :p
20150330 02:28:13< gfgtdf> iceiceice: althought our version class hates -dev
20150330 02:28:58< shadowm> It doesn't, it just doesn't treat it specially.
20150330 02:29:23< iceiceice> i think i messed up many bug reports it means
20150330 02:29:23< gfgtdf> shadowmit it doesnt treak it correctly
20150330 02:29:34< shadowm> It treats it correctly, I wrote it.
20150330 02:29:37< iceiceice> i think i listed many current bug reports as being against "1.13.0+dev"
20150330 02:29:50< gfgtdf> shadowm: it thinks .0-dev is after .0
20150330 02:29:56< shadowm> Yes, that's intentional.
20150330 02:30:07< gfgtdf> shadowm: which is obviously not the case since we currently have -dev and .0 wasn't yet
20150330 02:30:24< shadowm> Wesnoth has used a nonstandard convention so far for mainline versions, and I wrote the version_info class for add-ons, not mainline.
20150330 02:30:41< gfgtdf> shadowm: our code uses it for mainline
20150330 02:30:49< shadowm> Someone suggested to me to use it for handling the mainline engine version number after the fact, yes.
20150330 02:31:57< gfgtdf> shadowm: so there was prvoulsy another code that treated '-dev' correctly ?
20150330 02:32:11< shadowm> I simply didn't expect that the 1.5.0-dev situation (unique at the time) would repeat itself, and it's a very minor border case that has pretty much no bearing on anything but save files.
20150330 02:32:35< shadowm> At worst it'll inconvenience a handful of mainline developers and the rest of the world will never get to experience the border case.
20150330 02:33:38< iceiceice> lets just release 1.13.0 soon and 1.13.1 soon after
20150330 02:33:56< iceiceice> i dont want to crawl through the bug tracker and figure out what is messed up
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20150330 02:35:54< gfgtdf> shadowm: worse enough for me, specially if they dont know that and have to search for the cause.
20150330 02:37:10< shadowm> Players are not supposed to use in-dev versions from a branch unless instructed to do so by a developer or are willing to risk potentially devastasting (`rm -rf /`-style) bugs, so it seems a fair compromise to me.
20150330 02:38:09< shadowm> I'm not willing to bloat the code further to give special treatment to a version pattern that occurs once every few years for internal testing purposes only.
20150330 02:38:33< iceiceice> shadowm: if we dont want to fix it, logically we should just avoid that version string
20150330 02:38:38< iceiceice> we could say the next release is 1.13.1
20150330 02:39:09< iceiceice> i dont think that playing a wesnoth release built from github should mean you risk "rm -rf /"
20150330 02:39:17< iceiceice> that seems like a severe exaggeration
20150330 02:39:22< shadowm> Yes, it should, and people should be aware of that.
20150330 02:39:36< iceiceice> no, especially if it was a tagged release
20150330 02:39:53< shadowm> You are twisting my words. I said "in-dev versions from a branch".
20150330 02:40:11< shadowm> That's not quite the same as a tagged release-type revision.
20150330 02:40:18< iceiceice> ok sure, i guess i agree 
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20150330 04:19:42< shadowm> Sent mail.
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20150330 05:16:30< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#6107 (master - 9fb7a06 : Charles Dang): The build passed.
20150330 05:16:30< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/56356249
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20150330 05:51:24< Ivanovic> shadowm: nothing extra to be done
20150330 05:51:38< Ivanovic> shadowm: though you should consider having a new MP server and campaignd ready
20150330 05:51:48< Ivanovic> besides that just a plain old stable release
20150330 05:52:04< Ivanovic> minus the string freeze, those only exist once it goes into beta time
20150330 05:52:58< Ivanovic> though it would be nice to send a warning to the i18n list to warn that there will soon be the first po-update on dev
20150330 05:53:46< Ivanovic> i don't remember if there was anything special to be done to g.w.o but I think that automatically worked (hmm, there might be something to be done about the usermade stuff but not sure right now)
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20150330 06:09:14< irker434> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 467cbcdb5cd5 / data/core/images/terrain/castle/winter-orcish/ (13 files): Update winter-orcish castle by doofus-01 http://git.io/jofS
20150330 06:14:13< irker434> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:1.12 abee483789d8 / data/core/images/terrain/castle/winter-orcish/ (13 files): Update winter-orcish castle by doofus-01 http://git.io/joJn
20150330 06:18:18< shadowm> Ivanovic: Are translators expected to send you updates for 1.12 only? What happens if someone sends you a catalogue based on master instead of 1.12?
20150330 06:18:35< Ivanovic> that is the reason for the mail to i18n
20150330 06:18:37< shadowm> Other than strings being lost when merging, that is.
20150330 06:18:43< Ivanovic> they are supposed to tell what the update
20150330 06:18:45< Ivanovic> is for
20150330 06:19:01< shadowm> Hm, okay.
20150330 06:19:17< Ivanovic> and if I receive an 1.12 update i commit it to both unless the team clearly tells me that they are already working on dev in parallel
20150330 06:19:45< shadowm> I imagine few translators bother with development versions before the beta string freeze.
20150330 06:20:01< Ivanovic> the number is very limited
20150330 06:20:07< Ivanovic> but a one or two teams tend to do
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20150330 09:26:15< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 351ea35eaf96 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/06a_Old_Friend.cfg: NR S6a: reduce gobo knight spawns from 42 to 36 and bonus gold from 2k to 1.5k http://git.io/joDU
20150330 09:26:18< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 0f2c969efc19 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/05a_01_The_Pursuit.cfg: NR S5a_01: use stores loc for tallin's initial MUF http://git.io/joDk
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20150330 09:38:15< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 4118ddaa9c5d / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/04_Clearing_the_Mines.cfg: NR S4: re-added a 4 necrophage/ghoul spawns http://git.io/jo9d
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20150330 10:04:05< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9904bb1f58ec / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/maps/01_Breaking_the_Chains.map: NR S1: reduced number of villages and did some minor map tweaks http://git.io/joAr
20150330 10:04:30< bumbadadabum> vultraz: shit didn't I promise to help you with that?
20150330 10:04:52< vultraz> it's ok
20150330 10:04:59< vultraz> I dropped it to 39, is that low enough?
20150330 10:05:05< bumbadadabum> I guess
20150330 10:05:07< bumbadadabum> idk
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20150330 10:05:09< bumbadadabum> PLAYTEST
20150330 10:05:14< vultraz> lel
20150330 10:06:00< vultraz> anyway, about that bandit code, should I copy it over or will you
20150330 10:06:06< bumbadadabum> I might
20150330 10:06:19< bumbadadabum> I'll do it tonight
20150330 10:06:35< vultraz> ok
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20150330 10:07:35< vultraz> and as you can see, I didn't nerf nr s6 too much, and I readded some back to s4
20150330 10:08:30< bumbadadabum> k
20150330 10:09:00< bumbadadabum> 2 pillagers instead of the 42 knights imo
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20150330 10:18:42< vultraz> iceiceice: I dunno if this is a bug, but it seems sighted events can trigger in the middle of another event
20150330 10:20:33< vultraz> Dunno if that should happen
20150330 10:20:59< vultraz> especially since it seems to delay [redraw]s
20150330 10:21:03< vultraz> or maybe that's the bug
20150330 10:22:10< vultraz> for some reason, this redraw doesn't complete until the secondary event happens
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20150330 10:31:44< vultraz> which...could be a more general thing
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20150330 10:41:59< vultraz> iceiceice: ok, ignore what I said
20150330 10:45:05< vultraz> lemme try something
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20150330 10:49:46< vultraz> got it
20150330 10:54:56< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d9a63b1c3097 / src/scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp: Handle shroud last in [redraw] http://git.io/jKqF
20150330 10:55:33< vultraz> iceiceice: so yeah, ignore what I said, I thought the bug was somewhere else
20150330 10:58:07< iceiceice> vultraz: maybe there should be two instance of that block?
20150330 10:58:47< iceiceice> so, the "screen.invalidate_all()" function means that, you tell the display that all the hexes are potentially dirty
20150330 10:59:32< iceiceice> when you check "screen.maybe_rebuild()", you are checking whether events were fired that requested or implied a screen redraw
20150330 11:00:02< iceiceice> if clearing shroud can also result in a "redraw" request or something,
20150330 11:00:10< iceiceice> after those events you are tlaking about are fired,
20150330 11:00:59< iceiceice> then i think you should still have thsi "bool result = screen.maybe_rebuild(); if (!result) {screen.invalidate_all();}" at the end
20150330 11:02:01< vultraz> so the same block twice?
20150330 11:03:09< iceiceice> yeah, thats what i would try i guess
20150330 11:03:19< iceiceice> and put a code comment about why the earlier one needs to be there
20150330 11:03:41< iceiceice> b/c to me most naturally what i would want to do is like,
20150330 11:03:52< iceiceice> fire all events and do behind the scenes stuff first,
20150330 11:03:57< iceiceice> then draw the results at the end
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20150330 11:08:58< vultraz> lemme test if it works correctly
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20150330 11:16:00< vultraz> ok it does
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20150330 11:24:07< bumbadadabum> vultraz: what THoT scenario were you talking about?
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20150330 11:24:34< vultraz> bumbadadabum: sorry, 5, not 8
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20150330 11:26:08< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 48f11240b112 / src/scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp: Fixup d9a63b1c3097 http://git.io/jKCQ
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20150330 12:34:27< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 244a3803c030 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/lua/bandits.lua: EI: Improved the bandit spawn code in S5 http://git.io/jKXh
20150330 12:34:30< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master e232c79505ae / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (_main.cfg lua/spawns.lua scenarios/05_Invaders.cfg): THoT: Rewrote the bandit spawns in lua http://git.io/jKXj
20150330 12:34:33< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master be646105f247 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/lua/bandits.lua: EI: Improved the bandits implementation a bit http://git.io/jK1e
20150330 12:34:36< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master d19926bfb3c2 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (_main.cfg lua/spawns.lua scenarios/02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg): DID: Rewrote the goblin spawns in lua http://git.io/jK1v
20150330 12:34:39< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 69660e93e373 / data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (lua/spawns.lua scenarios/05_Invaders.cfg): THoT: improved the spawn implementation http://git.io/jK1f
20150330 12:34:43< bumbadadabum> vultraz: ^
20150330 12:35:01< vultraz> ty ty
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20150330 12:45:57< zookeeper> i hope you know what you're doing with those WML->lua rewrites
20150330 12:47:27< zookeeper> and why is all that stuff being shoved into extra files?
20150330 12:48:06< zookeeper> now the code for thing X in a scenario is scattered across 2 files, plus an extra include in _main.cfg, whereas previously it was just there in that one file in that one place which made thing X happen.
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20150330 12:50:51< zookeeper> not to mention that for example https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/d19926bfb3c21e446a0c701072236d280ce1ff47 just silently changes the logic when the village is surrounded
20150330 12:53:00< vultraz> I guess he forgot to update the SLF 
20150330 12:56:47< zookeeper> the old code was like 45 lines. now it's about 35 lines of harder to understand code, including an extra file and an extra include. how is that an improvement?
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20150330 13:00:57< zookeeper> bumbadadabum, ^ logs
20150330 13:00:57< bumbadadabum> yeah, I read it
20150330 13:01:29< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: the rewrite for EI saves >100 lines
20150330 13:02:39< bumbadadabum> I personally find the lua easier to understand, and the rwrite for EI was mostly because I saw things in the code that are so much easier done in lua
20150330 13:02:57< bumbadadabum> (like the store_locations to remove indices)
20150330 13:04:36< bumbadadabum> as for THoT and DID, it was a request by vultraz
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20150330 13:07:04< vultraz> I figured if we might as well keep code consistency
20150330 13:07:57< bumbadadabum> EI and THoT are very different in this
20150330 13:08:00< bumbadadabum> in EI there is also:
20150330 13:08:02< bumbadadabum> 1. village spreading
20150330 13:08:08< bumbadadabum> 2. the boss mechanics and chances
20150330 13:08:29< bumbadadabum> 3. lots of adding and removing of indices
20150330 13:09:10< zookeeper> i said nothing about EI, the code for that was indeed pretty obscure
20150330 13:10:22< vultraz> perhaps we should change the slfs to filter_adjacent_location just to keep the old logic
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20150330 13:10:36< bumbadadabum> zookeeper: I like having all the complicated code tucked away in macros and lua tags
20150330 13:10:58< bumbadadabum> so I did what vultraz asked
20150330 13:11:05< bumbadadabum> but if you think it's bad I can revert
20150330 13:12:02< bumbadadabum> 20150330 12:53:00< vultraz> I guess he forgot to update the SLF 
20150330 13:12:07< bumbadadabum> this is true as well tho, my apologies
20150330 13:12:36< zookeeper> i do think the peaceful valley change was very much a regression from a maintenance point of view, yes
20150330 13:12:50< bumbadadabum> shall I revert it then?
20150330 13:13:21< zookeeper> please
20150330 13:13:36< irker434> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master cd9eff3bf02a / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/ (_main.cfg lua/spawns.lua scenarios/02_Peaceful_Valley.cfg): Revert "DID: Rewrote the goblin spawns in lua" http://git.io/jKA8
20150330 13:14:19< zookeeper> thanks
20150330 13:15:25< vultraz> eh, I guess
20150330 13:15:34< vultraz> since that's the simplest case
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20150330 13:16:54< bumbadadabum> vultraz: I now want my 5 minutes back :)
20150330 13:17:13< vultraz> we're keeping thot, right?
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20150330 13:17:22< bumbadadabum> zookeeper hasn't said anything about that
20150330 13:17:26< vultraz> ok
20150330 13:17:35< vultraz> I do think the thot case can be a little simpler, though
20150330 13:17:43< zookeeper> i haven't even looked, do with it what you want :J
20150330 13:17:57< bumbadadabum> rewrite it in whitespace then
20150330 13:18:27< vultraz> eh, it's just the message logic that's funny
20150330 13:18:29< vultraz> I'll deal with that
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20150330 13:44:46< molgrum> hi, what source code would be easiest to start out by reading? i'm interested in eventually help developing
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20150330 14:11:57< gfgtdf> shikadibot: seen fabi
20150330 14:11:57< shikadibot> gfgtdf: The person with the nick fabi last spoke 22d 8h ago.  19d 2h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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20150330 15:26:16< vultraz> zookeeper: tested this guy's changes, they seem to work fine http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=582670#p582670 (diff http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZY8yWLn6 ) Any objections to pushing them?
20150330 15:26:36< vultraz> (they're to fix the stuff in the screenshot)
20150330 15:27:11< zookeeper> if it fixes the problems without introducing new ones, then sure go ahead
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20150330 15:36:28< irker434> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1f59316494db / data/core/terrain-graphics.cfg: Rule fixes by GbDorn. Fixes terrains drawing over chasm edges http://git.io/j6pd
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20150330 15:54:00< irker434> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 658dd22f3904 / src/generators/yamg/ya_mapgen.cpp: Use given seed in yamg map generator. http://git.io/jiIC
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20150330 16:11:33< Necrosporus> >  <vultraz> that is indeed a question that should be removed // I do not think so. I know some WML and if I were making a response I could reply it
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20150330 18:49:52< gfgtdf> does anyone know how lua can use values as table indicies that are not comparable ?
20150330 18:50:31< vultraz> what?
20150330 18:52:08< gfgtdf> vultraz: in c++ and any other language i know maps usually require teh underlying type to be comparabe. But in lua i can easily write "t_1 = {};t_2 = {};t_3 = {};t_1[t_2] = 1;t_1[t_3] = 2"
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20150330 19:02:55< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i think it depends on implementation,
20150330 19:03:02< iceiceice> if its a binary tree then i guess you want it to be comparable
20150330 19:03:07< iceiceice> if its like a hash table maybe it doesnt matter
20150330 19:03:46< iceiceice> it could be also that they define some kind of arbitrary ordering on everything
20150330 19:06:10< gfgtdf> iceiceice: yes it see s to be hastables
20150330 19:06:13< gfgtdf> seems
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