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20150418 01:36:04< shadowm> iceiceice_: Have you added all the functions you implemented when moving tags from the engine to Lua to http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML ?
20150418 01:36:21< iceiceice_> no i am way behind on that
20150418 01:36:29< iceiceice_> also i think wesnoth.map_locations or soemthing
20150418 01:36:45< iceiceice_> i made something that exposes the exact map location aritmetic we implemented in C++
20150418 01:36:55< iceiceice_> because that is all unit tested and therefore i trust it
20150418 01:37:05< iceiceice_> and i needed to use it once in an add-on that i havent publisehd
20150418 01:37:21< iceiceice_> i didnt need to commit to master i guess but such is life
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20150418 01:41:52< shadowm>    * enable side_for= in key [message] with [option]s.
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20150418 01:42:40< shadowm> I guess...
20150418 01:43:31< shadowm> gfgtdf: What happened in 1.12 if someone tried to use side_for with a [message] requiring input?
20150418 01:44:21< shadowm> I guess nothing? The wiki doesn't go into details other than "do not do it".
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20150418 01:50:41< iceiceice_> i woudl guess either nothing or out of syc
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20150418 02:07:13< gfgtdf> shadowm: side_for beeing ignored and a warnign is displaed i think
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20150418 02:43:33< shadowm> Submitted a bug for the unwanted gender selection issue: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23496
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20150418 03:05:06< irker134> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 435aafad3eac / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Removed an unused var causing issues in [unit_worth] http://git.io/vv7Hp
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20150418 03:10:24< irker134> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f7caef8f1128 / data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/09a_Introductions.cfg: NR S9a: distribute troll better. Fixes some spawning inside walls http://git.io/vv7Qa
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20150418 03:12:39< shadowm> ancestral: Hi!
20150418 03:12:49< ancestral> Hi
20150418 03:12:58< shadowm> Just making sure you read my messages earlier.
20150418 03:13:21< ancestral> Just opened up my computer after getting back from work. I will read through the logs
20150418 03:13:23< shadowm> Eventually you'll get used to ctrl+f'ing your nickname so I will not need to do this.
20150418 03:15:03 * ancestral read the logs
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20150418 05:31:50< shadowm>    * [modify_side] controller= now works in networked mp. If a null-controlled
20150418 05:31:53< shadowm>      side becomes alive by [modify_side] controller=ai/human then the currently
20150418 05:31:56< shadowm>      active client will be assiged controll
20150418 05:32:29< shadowm> gfgtdf: Maybe mention this in the wiki? (also s/controll/control/)
20150418 05:32:59< shadowm> I edited the [message] side_for= documentation, btw.
20150418 05:34:35< shadowm> *hew*
20150418 05:34:52< shadowm> I've got all the release note blocks *except* for the TC cores feature.
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20150418 06:04:53< shadowm> Draft #2 of the announcement is up.
20150418 06:05:28< shadowm> The only difference from the previous draft is that the main release notes should be fully complete save for the cores thingy.
20150418 06:08:27< iceiceice> shadowm: are you sure its a good idea to announce the cores?
20150418 06:08:35< iceiceice> i mean who is actually developing it
20150418 06:08:44< shadowm> 02:35:53 <shadowm> You know, I should just let fabi's cores go unmentioned in the announcement.
20150418 06:08:47< shadowm> 02:36:08 <shadowm> Then see how many people care/manage to figure out how they work.
20150418 06:08:53< shadowm> Said this on another channel.
20150418 06:09:26< iceiceice> i mean its not clear to me that they fully work
20150418 06:09:28< shadowm> If it wasn't so horribly conspicuous I'd not think twice about it.
20150418 06:10:33< iceiceice> idk up to you
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20150418 06:16:06< shadowm> ancestral: Oh, and when you are finished, *if* the OS X requirements changed make sure to tell me the details so I can mention that too.
20150418 06:16:19 * shadowm hits wesnoth.org with a crowbar.
20150418 06:16:22 * ancestral nods
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20150418 06:23:20< shadowm> zookeeper: I've submitted and assigned https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23497 to myself. Feel free to post there if I missed/forgot something.
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20150418 06:49:03< zookeeper> shadowm, sure
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20150418 07:09:44< irker149> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 d463d94a06f5 / RELEASE_NOTES: Purge RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/vv5sn
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20150418 08:42:19< aquileia> shadowm, iceiceice: [rasection="Cores"] Total conversions, or [b]cores[/b], can be loaded instead of the [code]data/core[/code] directory, allowing to create addons which do not parse regular game content (including any other addons, if desired).[/rasection]
20150418 08:42:33< aquileia> I think that's basically what cores do...
20150418 08:49:01< aquileia> That "don't load addons" part is slightly different, in fact - addons now list for which core they are designed and are only loaded in that case
20150418 08:50:16< aquileia> s/ any other addons, if desired / any addons not designed for that core
20150418 08:52:35< Ravana_> can one addon be marked to work for multiple cores?
20150418 08:53:28< aquileia> on a related note, if fabi's core is the only use case of vision & jamming, why are these in the mainline help, which isn't even loaded with his core?
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20150418 08:57:57< aquileia> Ravana_: That's an excellent idea, but I think that's currently not implemented - the core tag is handled as a single string: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/game_config_manager.cpp#L380
20150418 09:01:11< aquileia> It's probably trivial to fix for fabi (or anyone willing to read through his code)
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20150418 09:40:25< aquileia> shadowm, Ivanovic: As it's currently impossible to release 1.13 on the Pandora due to outdated librares, we should probably hide the "Open Pandora" section of  DevDownload when updating it to 1.13
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20150418 09:45:13< aquileia> vultraz: If you deleted DevFeature1.11, you may as well delete DevFeature and DevFeature1.9 (although the latter is used on a 1.8 specific page)
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20150418 10:40:26< gfgtdf> shadowm: if i end teh devel by defeating all enemie leaders, do i be default get turn bonus for remaing turns ?
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20150418 11:37:41< loonycyborg> that's bullshit
20150418 11:37:53< loonycyborg> sourceforge no longer takes my ssh private key
20150418 11:38:06< loonycyborg> I mean
20150418 11:38:20< loonycyborg> publickey auth no longer works for some reason
20150418 11:38:25< loonycyborg> and nothing has changed
20150418 11:48:05< loonycyborg> must be some sourceforge problem
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20150418 14:15:29< Necrosporus> loonycyborg, or someone is trying to play MitM attack on you
20150418 14:16:15< loonycyborg> I joined #sourceforge. Many other people have this problem
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20150418 14:19:08< Necrosporus> Then they probably changed their keys or something
20150418 14:19:55< Necrosporus> By the way, there is still out of sync in wesnoth multiplayer campaign
20150418 14:20:10< Necrosporus> I mean possible OOS
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20150418 14:52:29< Necrosporus> loonycyborg, there is assertion failure in windows version of the ga
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20150418 15:06:34< Necrosporus> game
20150418 15:06:53< Necrosporus> vultraz, do you mind to test if you could reproduce a bug?
20150418 15:07:13< Necrosporus> Someone with windows is needed
20150418 15:07:45< vultraz> what bug
20150418 15:08:16< Necrosporus> In 1.12.2 assertion failure
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20150418 15:26:39< Necrosporus> So assertion failure ( it != choosable_leaders_.end() ) in src/flg_manager.cpp:565 happens when windows' host creates a multiplayer game and tries to switch sides after other player connects. Tested with LoW
20150418 15:28:00< vultraz> gfgtdf ^
20150418 15:28:57< Necrosporus> Also another bug happens after the game is started: all ai leaders has screen and team name of host (from host vision)
20150418 15:29:15< Necrosporus> Other players see those name normally
20150418 15:29:44< Necrosporus> So it could possibly cause OOS, I presume
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20150418 16:25:10< gfgtdf> vultraz: i dont think i'm related to that bug.
20150418 16:26:52< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: the seoncd one is a known bug: gna.org/bugs/?21945
20150418 16:31:09< Necrosporus> And still not fixed?
20150418 16:31:53< Necrosporus> gfgtdf, could you test it? Though this af was not reproduceable with GNU/Linux
20150418 16:32:03< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: im using windows
20150418 16:32:05< Necrosporus> Do you have 1.12.2 windows version?
20150418 16:32:09< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: no it wasnt fixed yet
20150418 16:32:13< Necrosporus> from official installer
20150418 16:32:15< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: yes i have
20150418 16:32:35< Necrosporus> So could you check if assertion bug is reprociable?
20150418 16:32:38< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: so what do you want me to test ?
20150418 16:33:06< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: this alsohappened with1.12.1 =
20150418 16:33:08< gfgtdf> ?
20150418 16:34:23< Necrosporus> gfgtdf, if you could reproduce assertion failure
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20150418 16:51:28< gfgtdf> Necrosporus: ok filed a bigreport here: http://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23499
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20150418 17:16:00< gfgtdf> bugreport*
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20150418 18:46:47< gfgtdf> shadowm: maybe you should note in the known bugs scenarion if announcement that the  workaround for the wong defaultvalues bugs is to reload a start-of-scenario save.
20150418 18:47:46< gfgtdf> shadowm: also afaik "HP/XP bars of allied units are drawn over shroud" can also appera in 1.12 if you have shroud/fog=no but share_vision = yes.
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20150418 19:36:00< shadowm> gfgtdf: I did not understand your question.
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20150418 19:36:43< shadowm> Are you sure the bars issue affects 1.12 too? Someone should add a note to that effect in the bug report then.
20150418 19:37:36< gfgtdf> shadowm: in the  "known bugs" section of the annumment there is a notice about wrong default values in [scenario] and [side] and teh corresponding bugs are markes as blockes. 
20150418 19:37:44< gfgtdf> shadowm: there is currently a workaround
20150418 19:37:59< shadowm> I understood that. I meant your previous question.
20150418 19:38:03< gfgtdf> shadowm: and if those bus are that important i think we should notice teh workaroun in the notice
20150418 19:38:05< shadowm> 07:40:26 <gfgtdf> shadowm: if i end teh devel by defeating all enemie leaders, do i be default get turn bonus for remaing turns ?
20150418 19:38:55< gfgtdf> shadowm: when i win teh scenario by the default condition (defeating all enemies leader) do i always get a carryover bonus then?
20150418 19:39:31< shadowm> That varies from scenario to scenario. I don't know/remember what the code default is.
20150418 19:39:44< gfgtdf> shadowm: i an quite sure it effects 1.12 too i had a discussion with vultraz here some days ago and he tested that it effects 1.12 too
20150418 19:40:03< gfgtdf> shadowm: but only if you set share_vision= to true,
20150418 19:40:20< gfgtdf> shadowm: but in 1.13 share_vision is true by default becasue of teh mp/sp bug
20150418 19:43:36< shadowm> Hm.
20150418 19:47:16< shadowm> Hmmmmm.
20150418 19:48:19< shadowm> gfgtdf: Something like this, right? http://i.imgur.com/rmUnB8i.png
20150418 19:48:41< gfgtdf> shadowm: yes
20150418 19:49:36< shadowm> Well, then I think I've seen this for most of the 1.11.x cycle.
20150418 19:50:09< gfgtdf> shadowm: so even with share_vision = no ?
20150418 19:50:51< shadowm> The scenario settings at this point are share_maps,share_vision=yes,yes for sides 1 and 2 (pictured).
20150418 19:52:23< gfgtdf> shadowm: share_vision implies share_maps. so its the same effect if you onyl write share_vision=yes
20150418 19:53:20< shadowm> The documentation doesn't say this.
20150418 19:54:04< shadowm> s/share_vision/share_view/g
20150418 19:54:29< shadowm> (It is correct in the WML, I just misquoted it.)
20150418 19:55:41< shadowm> These options are set in the same event that spawns side 2's initial units mid-scenario, and I postpone shroud recalculation until the end of the sequence.
20150418 19:56:53< gfgtdf> shadowm: vultraz congfimed that this commit fixes teh issue: https://github.com/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/commit/9b44af0c459154b2bbac58381292aa67da90f4ae
20150418 19:57:20< gfgtdf> shadowm: but i have no idea why the code was liek that before so i dont really want to merge it.
20150418 19:58:25< shadowm> On 1.10 it was exactly like it is in whichever commit you based yours on.
20150418 20:00:44< gfgtdf> shadowm: sry i dont understand.
20150418 20:01:30< shadowm> unit::is_visible_to_team() is identical in 1.10 and 1.12.
20150418 20:02:22< shadowm> And 1.13.0, save for a change in the parameters order.
20150418 20:03:02< shadowm> And I can reproduce the bug on 1.10, yep.
20150418 20:03:33< gfgtdf> shadowm: hm ok
20150418 20:04:00< shadowm> The method didn't exist in 1.8.
20150418 20:10:21< gfgtdf> shadowm: well i dont really know the drawing code, so i guess i cannot really help otherwise. Changing is_visible_to_team was just a guess becasue he name sounded like it could be related.
20150418 20:25:12< gfgtdf> shadowm: I just tested with 1.10.6 and the bug was there
20150418 20:26:17< gfgtdf> shadowm: testing scenario: http://pastebin.com/Rk50Bfem
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20150418 21:04:28< irker510> wesnoth: Elias Pschernig wesnoth:master 16778d6e92fd / data/tools/unit_tree/update-wmlunits: [units.wesnoth.org] improve safeguard http://git.io/vvNUi
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20150418 21:26:38< ancestral> I’m getting a build error
20150418 21:29:09< ancestral> in gettext.cpp, Line 41: Use of undeclared identifier ‘errno’
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20150418 21:36:42< iceiceice> ancestral: i think you probably should be trying to build "gettext_boost.cpp" ? 
20150418 21:36:45< iceiceice> instead of "gettext.cpp" ?
20150418 21:37:31< iceiceice> i wonder how we could make this less confusing...
20150418 21:38:03< gfgtdf> is there some hotkey to make screenshpots and save tgehn to disk durign teh game ?
20150418 21:38:08< gfgtdf> them*
20150418 21:38:22< iceiceice> yes i think so
20150418 21:38:52< gfgtdf> iceiceice: which is it ?
20150418 21:39:08< gfgtdf> iceiceice: ah ok
20150418 21:39:15< gfgtdf> iceiceice: seems it has not defautl key assigned
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20150418 21:40:30< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but it doesnt work while dialogs are open :(
20150418 21:42:02< iceiceice> do any hotkeys work while dialgos are open?
20150418 21:42:15< iceiceice> i would be a bit surprised
20150418 21:43:23< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hm no i dont think so
20150418 21:43:55< gfgtdf> iceiceice: still it is annyoing i think there oten pop up dialogs for example with [message]
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20150418 21:44:23< iceiceice> is windows one of these platforms that doesnt have screenshot built in?
20150418 21:46:37< gfgtdf> iceiceice: yes but usually screenshots go to the clipboard. so i usually copy them into paint and save then there. In most cases this is much more handy than screenshot beeing written to disk becasue i have to edit them anyways and its easier to copy form cliboard than to find teh file on the disk.
20150418 21:47:01< gfgtdf> iceiceice: but sometimes i dont want to edit my screenshots and then it is easier if they woudl be written to disk.
20150418 21:48:25< ancestral> IIRC I had to bind a key
20150418 21:48:30< ancestral> When I did the screenshot thing
20150418 21:49:05< gfgtdf> ancestral: yes that true, i also found that out by now, but my new problem is that i cannot make screenshotf of ingame dialogs
20150418 21:49:10< iceiceice> gfgtdf: in linux mint they just go right to Home/Pictures/ as a png with timestamp
20150418 21:49:51< iceiceice> maybe you can just go to file explorer and hit paste?
20150418 21:49:52< iceiceice> idk if it will work
20150418 21:51:09< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hm windows8 has Print+Windowskey = save to file and just print = save to clipboard
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20150418 21:54:50< ancestral> iceiceice: So gettext.cpp shouldn’t be in my project file?
20150418 21:55:06< ancestral> It’s for wesnothd
20150418 21:55:12< iceiceice> yes
20150418 21:55:19< iceiceice> gettext.cpp should not be in the project file
20150418 21:55:50< gfgtdf> iceiceice: does teh server do tranlations ?=
20150418 21:55:59< iceiceice> it should use gettext_boost.cpp though right?
20150418 21:56:21< iceiceice> gfgtdf: i don tthink it does any translations
20150418 21:56:25< iceiceice> at least i never noticed if it does
20150418 21:57:03< gfgtdf> iceiceice: hm then it shouldnt need any of them i'd say.
20150418 21:57:49< iceiceice> yeah you are right
20150418 21:57:58< iceiceice> i checked the scons files, the libintl stuff is only under client prereqs
20150418 21:58:09< iceiceice> ancestral: gfgtdf is right, you shoulndt need either gettext*.cpp in your wesnothd
20150418 21:58:36< iceiceice> oh wait now
20150418 21:58:48< iceiceice> i guess it is listed as a server prereq...
20150418 21:58:56< iceiceice> i wonder why though
20150418 21:59:09< ancestral> My issue is there are many files different between 1.12 and 1.13
20150418 21:59:25< iceiceice> yes they are massively diverged branches
20150418 21:59:26< ancestral> Unlike mattsc, I haven’t been building master consistently
20150418 21:59:50< ancestral> So I don’t have an easy way to figure out what files need to be added and removed compared to 1.12
20150418 22:00:12< gfgtdf> ancestral: dont you share teh projectfiles with mattsc ?
20150418 22:01:18< gfgtdf> ancestral: measnin dont you boith use the projectfiles/Xcode files ?
20150418 22:02:16< gfgtdf> meaning*
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20150418 22:03:31< iceiceice> ancestral: you can check this list to see I guess:
20150418 22:03:31< iceiceice> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/SConscript
20150418 22:04:18< iceiceice> i mean you should build most things
20150418 22:04:30< iceiceice> the only differences are, filesystem.cpp vs filesystem_boost.cpp
20150418 22:04:37< iceiceice> and gettext.cpp vs gettext_boost.cpp
20150418 22:04:48< iceiceice> and only some of hte stuff in src/desktop you shoul dbuild
20150418 22:04:52< iceiceice> whatever is OS X specific
20150418 22:05:02< iceiceice> i think everything else you should build (?)
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20150418 22:37:28< loonycyborg> shadowm: you had any problems uploading release?
20150418 22:37:33< loonycyborg> to sourceforge
20150418 22:42:48< ancestral> iceiceice: I had the wrong file I think
20150418 22:44:56< shadowm> loonycyborg: I didn't have any problems yesterday.
20150418 22:45:12< loonycyborg> it doesn't let me log today
20150418 22:45:31< shadowm> Log into SF.net's web or only ssh?
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20150418 22:58:21< mattsc> ancestral: hi
20150418 22:58:28< ancestral> I figured it out matt
20150418 22:58:39< ancestral> Got my files mixed up :-(
20150418 22:58:44< mattsc> ah, ok
20150418 22:58:50< ancestral> Sorry to bother you
20150418 22:59:04< mattsc> no worries, I’m glad it’s working.
20150418 22:59:12< ancestral> I’m afraid I wasn’t able to bogart a 10.9 machine at work to test your build
20150418 22:59:21< ancestral> I’m close to testing mine here and now though
20150418 22:59:22< mattsc> ok
20150418 22:59:27< mattsc> cool
20150418 23:00:03< mattsc> Well, in that case, I’m off again.  :)  Just wanted to ask how things are going.
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20150418 23:02:07< mattsc> ttyl
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20150418 23:14:20< loonycyborg> shadowm: web login worked
20150418 23:14:26< loonycyborg> but ssh didn't
20150418 23:14:34< loonycyborg> with publickey or password
20150418 23:14:42< loonycyborg> and many otherpeople have similiar issues
20150418 23:40:01< shadowm> WFM, but if other people are having issues, then *shrug*
20150418 23:41:41< shadowm> From what I've seen, SF.net only does stuff on work days, so we'll probably have to wait until Monday unless you somehow manage to upload using the web interface.
20150418 23:43:36< gfgtdf> is there a difference between 'accumulate' and 'aggregate' ?
20150418 23:44:50< shadowm> c74d: ^
20150418 23:56:16< c74d> gfgtdf: Yes; roughly, aggregation is fast and accumulation is slow. Bringing things together at once is aggregation; collecting things one-by-one is accumulation.
20150418 23:58:44< gfgtdf> c74d: ok ty
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