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20150422 03:02:01< ancestral> I have a binary of 1.13 up on my server. If it runs for mattsc, I’ll upload it to sf.net
20150422 03:02:22< ancestral> (I don’t suspect to have to do this for each release; I will feel much more confident with 1.13.* if this one is successful)
20150422 03:03:54< shadowm> iceiceice, gfgtdf: How much less complicated would the game logic become if we removed the whiteboard feature?
20150422 03:04:17< shadowm> And most importantly, how much easier would it be for newcomers to fix bugs without it?
20150422 03:07:07< shadowm> Also, I don't think anyone who is still active would mind if I purged all traces of Ana from the code, right?
20150422 03:10:06< shadowm> (Which is why I'm not going to bother with telling the ML about it.)
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20150422 03:16:26< shadowm> ancestral: So, does it change the OS requirements as we proposed before?
20150422 03:17:12< ancestral> Yes, 10.5 and older (and thus, PPC) is now unsupported
20150422 03:17:17< ancestral> It may work
20150422 03:18:06< shadowm> Okay, so >= 10.6.
20150422 03:18:32< shadowm> Could you reply to the announcement thread with the link if/when you finish uploading it after testing?
20150422 03:18:48< ancestral> Yes
20150422 03:18:53< ancestral> I do apologize it’s taken this long
20150422 03:18:54< shadowm> And don't forget to mention the requirements change too, which I'll add to the RN proper.
20150422 03:19:01< ancestral> Yes
20150422 03:19:27< ancestral> Also, a known issue with Deja Vu Sans not rendering in certain UI elements
20150422 03:19:34< shadowm> It's okay, I expected issues with the changes to the packaging process.
20150422 03:19:55< ancestral> (It might be a Pango issue, maybe upstream; when I have more time this week I’ll try an older version of Pango)
20150422 03:20:15< ancestral> 1.12 uses version 1.6; 1.13 has 1.8
20150422 03:20:28< shadowm> That reminds me...
20150422 03:21:10< shadowm> ancestral: Do the packaging changes fix https://gna.org/bugs/?21649 for you?
20150422 03:22:00< ancestral> shadowm: What scenario is that from?
20150422 03:22:15< shadowm> AToTB scenario 1.
20150422 03:22:31< shadowm> See comment #1 paragraph 2. :p
20150422 03:22:36< ancestral> Sorry
20150422 03:23:50< ancestral> shadowm: Yes, 1.13 has it fixed
20150422 03:24:08< ancestral> (…in Helvetica ;-) )
20150422 03:24:27< shadowm> So maybe the solution for Windows is indeed to throw a newer Pango in and hope we don't get Arial.
20150422 03:24:36< ancestral> Haha
20150422 03:24:43< ancestral> Right
20150422 03:25:29< ancestral> How it looks: http://imgur.com/N2ISz4h
20150422 03:26:02< shadowm> Yeah, that's how it should be.
20150422 03:33:48< vultraz> I don't remember os x ever having problems with linebreaks
20150422 03:34:15< vultraz> Oh, i see
20150422 03:34:17< vultraz> huh
20150422 03:34:36< vultraz> well....can someone build new pango?
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20150422 03:36:56< ancestral> vultraz: What do you mean?
20150422 03:37:01< ancestral> Oh, for Windows
20150422 03:37:06< vultraz> yeah
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20150422 03:44:41< vultraz> maybe we can ask krista?
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20150422 04:01:07< ancestral> (BTW, 2-year old graph shows web browsing Macs running 10.5 or older at 10%. I suspect this number has declined significantly since then. https://chitika.com/os-x-version-distribution)
20150422 04:01:22< ancestral> Bias: North America
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20150422 04:08:27< c74d> All Apple OS X versions older than 10.8 are EOL'd and not receiving security updates, right?
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20150422 04:29:16< ancestral> c74d: Sounds about right, the security updates part
20150422 04:29:42< ancestral> Flash player isn’t available to OS X 10.5 or older
20150422 04:29:59< vultraz> I'm not sure if  we should base our support off userbase as opposed to security and ease of maintenance 
20150422 04:30:27< shadowm> We've entered a new Dark Age, so I suggest we do the latter.
20150422 04:30:59< ancestral> Do we have any OS statistics of Wesnoth users?
20150422 04:31:17< shadowm> We only have Google Analytics, which is unreliable as crap.
20150422 04:31:33< ancestral> What gets sent when a user opens Wesnoth for the first time?
20150422 04:31:39< shadowm> I've heard it's trivially spammable .
20150422 04:31:41< shadowm> Nothing.
20150422 04:32:07< ancestral> What about that message that gets displayed? Or did that go away?
20150422 04:32:21< shadowm> What message and where?
20150422 04:32:30< ancestral> Maybe I’m not talking lucidly
20150422 04:32:33< ancestral> One sec
20150422 04:32:47< shadowm> Wesnoth does not send any usage statistics to anything nowadays. And back in the day, when we did have anonymous campaign gameplay statistics, we were pretty much forced to make it opt-in.
20150422 04:33:18< shadowm> (We eventually had to remove the feature due to code rot and (IIRC) server-side security issues.)
20150422 04:34:26< vultraz> why would it have to be opt-in?
20150422 04:35:09< shadowm> People don't like applications phoning home without their permission, especially those who choose GNU/Linux precisely to escape that trend.
20150422 04:35:10< c74d> I imagine there would be quite a ruckus otherwise.
20150422 04:35:35< ancestral> IIRC it was there was an opt out
20150422 04:35:36 * vultraz rolls eyes
20150422 04:36:04< shadowm> Yeah, you sound like vultraz, all right. It's good from time to time to make sure you people haven't been replaced by alien doppelgangers.
20150422 04:36:43 * c74d hands vultraz a sympathy-flavored cookie.
20150422 04:37:21< shadowm> If you'd ask me, as a user, I prefer statistics to be opt-in, which sucks, because as a developer I'd rather have them be opt-out.
20150422 04:38:01< ancestral> I agree 100%
20150422 04:38:21< ancestral> So there was a change some time ago?
20150422 04:38:27< ancestral> Anyway, no OS usage data
20150422 04:38:28< shadowm> Ages ago.
20150422 04:38:47< shadowm> It was either in 1.5.x (2008) or 1.7.x (2009), not sure which.
20150422 04:41:46< shadowm> How do I use this thing again, hm.
20150422 04:42:38< vultraz> I would support dropping support for all EOL oses
20150422 04:42:50< vultraz> how do I word >_>
20150422 04:42:57< vultraz> I would be for
20150422 04:43:15< shadowm> Yes, you would support that, and so would I (for 1.14).
20150422 04:43:17< vultraz> ie, os x 10.6, 7,and windows xp
20150422 04:44:46< shadowm> But we don't particularly benefit from changing the Windows requirements atm.
20150422 04:45:08< shadowm> There's literally nothing in Windows Vista+ we need that isn't in Windows XP SP3.
20150422 04:45:43< shadowm> (loonycyborg, correct me if I'm wrong.)
20150422 04:46:58< shadowm> Whereas in the OS X case, dropping support for obsolete versions greatly simplifies things for ancestral and also slightly reduces the package size (I guess by a few megabytes?) and probably greatly reduces build times.
20150422 04:47:44< ancestral> Yes, the package size may decrease
20150422 04:47:48< shadowm> Right now with mingw32 I can produce Windows binaries that run even on Windows 2000 as long as I don't use API that don't exist there.
20150422 04:48:19< shadowm> And that's without having to mess with build options at all.
20150422 04:48:31< vultraz> Dropping xp would mean we don't have to deal with xp bugs
20150422 04:48:51< shadowm> We don't have any XP-specific bugs I believe.
20150422 04:48:59< ancestral> The other thing is, if we want to have the app signed, we could
20150422 04:49:31< shadowm> #23203/#23026 don't count because I experience a variant of them on a modern OS that isn't even Windows.
20150422 04:49:36< vultraz> hm
20150422 04:49:53< ancestral> This thing: https://support.apple.com/library/content/dam/edam/applecare/images/en_US/osx/exemption_dialog.png
20150422 04:50:01< vultraz> well, xp is still eol. i don't think we should officially support eol oses
20150422 04:50:06< vultraz> period 
20150422 04:50:32< shadowm> We don't specify the Windows requirements officially at all.
20150422 04:51:09< c74d> ancestral: Oh, I was going to ask about whether you were signing the Mac packages. 10.5-compatible applications can't be signed?
20150422 04:51:26< ancestral> Not sure.
20150422 04:51:36< c74d> *10.6/10.7
20150422 04:51:38< vultraz> Should we specify them?
20150422 04:51:39< ancestral> I know the App Store is 10.6+, so it wouldn’t surprise me
20150422 04:51:52< ancestral> c74d: Someone would need to pay $99 and be a registered developer
20150422 04:52:51< ancestral> Then it’s just a matter of having the certificate on the computer and Xcode sees it
20150422 04:52:57< ancestral> (for the builder)
20150422 04:54:22< c74d> I don't suppose you get that as a job perk, then… could you use Frogatto's certificate somehow?
20150422 04:54:50< shadowm> wut
20150422 04:55:15< vultraz> wat
20150422 04:55:21< shadowm> We don't have that, do we? (Do they even? They haven't made a release in forever.)
20150422 04:55:36< shadowm> #vaporware
20150422 04:56:00< c74d> You don't have what?
20150422 04:56:13< shadowm> "Frogatto's certificate".
20150422 04:56:35< c74d> Well, no, I assume not.
20150422 04:57:24< shadowm> Then what the hell is the point of your question.
20150422 04:58:07< c74d> I was assuming they sign releases because the last Frogatto Mac package I looked at included a signature. I thought they might be willing to sign BfW Mac packages too.
20150422 04:58:30< shadowm> Is that even allowed? Couldn't Apple revoke the certificate if they somehow find out?
20150422 04:58:57< shadowm> In the same vein as sites like GitHub disallowing sharing user accounts.
20150422 04:59:44< c74d> I've no idea. To be explicit, by “could you use”, I meant “what is the technical and legal feasibility of you hypothetically using”.
20150422 05:01:32< shadowm> That sounds like the kind of legal fluff you of all people should know. :p
20150422 05:02:27< c74d> I've had little if any interaction with the Apple registered-developer program.
20150422 05:02:52< shadowm> Is this stuff under NDA or something like the Steamworks crap?
20150422 05:05:31< vultraz> Does anyone have an objection to the removal of these pages: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnSyllable (guide from 2007) and http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnSuSE
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20150422 05:06:39< shadowm> Yes.
20150422 05:07:12< vultraz> What is your objection 
20150422 05:07:20< vultraz> especially to the 2007 one
20150422 05:07:21< c74d> I of course object categorically to the deletion of MediaWiki pages other than for the sake of security, but I doubt anyone els— okay never mind.
20150422 05:07:24< shadowm> Namely 1) could they serve as reference for people in the future? 2) see 1.
20150422 05:07:39< mattsc> ancestral: hi - bad news, now I am getting the crash that you got with my version  :(
20150422 05:07:48< shadowm> Both points are important, since you have a habit of deleting anything you deem useless forever.
20150422 05:08:25< vultraz> I don't believe in keeping obsolete cruft around 
20150422 05:09:28< shadowm> I'd greatly appreciate if we prioritized cleaning up development-related pages instead.
20150422 05:09:46< mattsc> ancestral: I really cannot stay online right now (today I’m not just saying that) and I have very little time until Sunday.
20150422 05:09:55< mattsc> I also don’t know what to do at this point.
20150422 05:10:53< mattsc> The only thing I can come up with would be that both you and I put a package out there and we ask for people’s help to tell us if either of them works for them and on what machines.
20150422 05:11:39< mattsc> Other than testing it on a variety of systems, I dno’t know enough about all this to say what else to do.
20150422 05:12:42< mattsc> Anyways, I _might_ be able to upload a package maybe tomorrow evening…  If not, it’s going to be Sunday.
20150422 05:13:18< mattsc> Other suggestions are welcome, of course.
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20150422 05:17:28< mattsc> ancestral: I need to be off, I’ll check the log and PMs later.
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20150422 05:21:43< vultraz> Doing some wiki cleanup
20150422 05:24:49< c74d> Why the “MS Windows” → “Windows” changes? Why not → “Microsoft Windows”?
20150422 05:26:53< c74d> vultraz
20150422 05:26:56< c74d> erm
20150422 05:27:57< vultraz> isn't "Windows" the officially sanctioned name
20150422 05:28:07< c74d> *vultraz: Has StartingPoints been reviewed lately?
20150422 05:28:24< vultraz> no
20150422 05:28:38< c74d> Is it? *shrug* It says “Apple OS X”.
20150422 05:29:24< ancestral> mattsc: Read what you just said. Okay.
20150422 05:29:59< c74d> StartingPoints has some questionable-looking things, like referring to FormulaAI as “experimental” (I guess it could still be, but that implies it's new…) and “WritingYourOwnAI - write a C++ plugin”.
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20150422 05:34:35< c74d> (I mean that the templates you changed to say “Windows” say “Apple OS X”; I was unclear and I apologize for that.)
20150422 05:36:13< ancestral> I think the appropriate term is simply “OS X”
20150422 05:36:16< ancestral> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X
20150422 05:37:00< ancestral> c74d: There’s going to be trouble when iOS reaches version 10
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20150422 05:41:56< c74d> I dislike calling it simply “OS X”, outside of an obviously Apple context, as if it's the only version 10 of an operating system around (not that it's ground that hasn't already been trodden by System V).
20150422 05:43:56< ancestral> Fortunately for you, there are nicknames ;-)
20150422 05:44:50< ancestral> Jaguar-Panther-Tiger-Leopard-Snow Leopard-Lion-Mountain Lion-Mavericks-Yosemite
20150422 05:44:54< c74d> The release announcements use “<Company> <Product Name>” for both [Apple] OS X and [Microsoft] Windows, for precedent.
20150422 05:45:08< ancestral> Sure
20150422 05:45:50< ancestral> Well, at the very least, the web site can’t misprounce “X” as “ecks”, so that’s a plus 😉
20150422 05:46:00< ancestral> *mispronounce
20150422 05:46:06< shadowm> :|
20150422 05:46:43< ancestral> Virtually everyone I talk to does not pronounce it as a roman numeral
20150422 05:46:56< c74d> “The Jaguar-Panther-Tiger-Leopard-Snow Leopard-Lion-Mountain Lion-Mavericks-Yosemite package is now available, however, it is now only a Mountain Lion-Mavericks-Yosemite package. Sorry.”
20150422 05:47:03< ancestral> Hehe
20150422 05:47:05< shadowm> I call it OS ecks too.
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20150422 05:47:17< shadowm> I intend to keep doing so.
20150422 05:47:31 * ancestral holds up his Apple cross to protect himself from the heathens
20150422 05:48:20< shadowm> And if they call the next release OS XI, I'll call it "OS ecks-sy" too.
20150422 05:48:49< c74d> ancestral: Does Apple object to the operating system being called Apple OS X?
20150422 05:48:51< ancestral> Now say that really fast several times
20150422 05:49:57< ancestral> c74d: Well, they just call it “OS X” (Oh Ess Ten)
20150422 05:49:59< ancestral> http://www.apple.com/osx/
20150422 05:50:04< shadowm> A certain Richard Stallman objects to people calling Linux like that.
20150422 05:50:40< shadowm> Guess how much I care.
20150422 05:51:52< shadowm> (Not at all, except in very specific contexts which are completely irrelevant for most things I write, such as Wesnoth release announcements.)
20150422 05:52:32< ancestral> Do you have Linux 4.0 “Hurr durr I'ma sheep”?
20150422 05:52:39< ancestral> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=39a8804455fb23f09157341d3ba7db6d7ae6ee76
20150422 05:54:43< shadowm> I have Linux 3.18 Diseased Newt and this is literally the first time I've ever called a Linux release by its nonsense NAME that's not even consistently changed for every release.
20150422 05:54:59< shadowm> Since pretty much nobody else in the world does that.
20150422 05:55:15< shadowm> Except tabloid writers, maybe.
20150422 06:07:42< Kwandulin> The Shuja lacks the {AMLA_DEFAULT}. I guess this happened when disconnecting the Shuja-Khalid advancement in MP.
20150422 06:09:44< Kwandulin> ^ https://www.dropbox.com/s/28ciwf68cdzv68o/shuja.png?dl=0
20150422 06:09:53< shadowm> Good catch, though we can't fix it in 1.12 without causing people to get OOS when gaining max XP.
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20150422 06:12:59< irker728> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master c638385223cf / changelog data/core/units/khalifate/Shuja.cfg players_changelog: Give Shuja the default mainline AMLA http://git.io/vfsjc
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20150422 06:20:07< vultraz> c74d: it used to be called Mac OS X, but then they changed it to Apple OS X
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20150422 06:21:56< ancestral> Technically, no, they changed it to “OS X”
20150422 06:22:51< c74d> I recall you being indifferent when I told you it was renamed.
20150422 06:23:08< ancestral> Yes, I do not care
20150422 06:23:12< vultraz> just OS X?
20150422 06:23:27< c74d> My apologies, I was addressing vultraz.
20150422 06:23:48< ancestral> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X and http://apple.com/osx/
20150422 06:24:11< c74d> vultraz: yes, the name of the product is just “OS X”.
20150422 06:24:36< vultraz> then the downloads page should say that
20150422 06:25:44< ancestral> If you’re changing “Microsoft Windows” to just “Windows”, then sure
20150422 06:26:06< c74d> vultraz: Why. It's Apple OS X as much as a… Philips Voice Tracer audio recorder is a “Philips Voice Tracer”.
20150422 06:26:27< vultraz> CONSISTENCY
20150422 06:27:03< c74d> In the name of consistency, which I side with here, make it “Microsoft Windows” and “Apple OS X”.
20150422 06:27:04< ancestral> Ahhh branding
20150422 06:27:05< shadowm> Just changed it from Windows to Microsoft Windows.
20150422 06:27:14< c74d> Like in the release ann— 'k.
20150422 06:27:22< vultraz> ....fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
20150422 06:28:00< vultraz> shadowm: Should it be OS X or Apple OS X decide now
20150422 06:28:15< shadowm> 03:27:05 <shadowm> Just changed it from Windows to Microsoft Windows.
20150422 06:28:20< shadowm> Which one do you think?
20150422 06:28:20< vultraz> :|
20150422 06:28:50< shadowm> Unless you believe I'd have done that just to make it inconsistent in some other way again.
20150422 06:29:03< ancestral> Windows : OS X :: Microsoft Windows : Apple OS X
20150422 06:29:28< ancestral> That’s just, like, my opinion, man
20150422 06:30:19< shadowm> (And no, I'm not going to fix existing front page news posts. And it has to stay shortened on the overview box because typographical space is at a premium there.)
20150422 06:30:38< shadowm> (And that's all I've got to say on the matter.)
20150422 06:30:51< ancestral> vultraz: Let’s just change them to icons instead :-P
20150422 06:31:01< vultraz> If you want
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20150422 06:31:05< vultraz> I would support that
20150422 06:31:26< shadowm> No, not in the wiki.
20150422 06:31:50< ancestral> And then our blind users will cry outrage, until we put in <alt> attributes, and we have to debate this again ;-)
20150422 06:32:03< shadowm> In the front page? Using icons instead of text is part of both my candidate site designs.
20150422 06:32:21< shadowm> Less is more etc.
20150422 06:32:44< ancestral> Then we have to decide what penguin to use…
20150422 06:33:04< vultraz> tux, obviously
20150422 06:33:17< ancestral> BUT WHICH ONE
20150422 06:33:36< ancestral> Or use Font Awesome or or or!
20150422 06:33:39< ancestral> :-P
20150422 06:34:30< ancestral> shadowm: If the re-design looks close to the 1.12 release page then it will be well received
20150422 06:35:37< shadowm> Assuming the project hasn't shut down by then, anyway!
20150422 06:36:50< vultraz> very likely
20150422 06:37:08< shadowm> vultraz you are clearly the life of the party.
20150422 06:37:52< ancestral> His first course of action will be to change back to “Windows”
20150422 06:37:55< c74d> What gave it away, the nightclubbing?
20150422 06:38:25< vultraz> lmfao
20150422 06:39:48< shadowm> My hope is that Apple will come up with a new name for their OS by then.
20150422 06:40:08< ancestral> They have a California theme going on
20150422 06:40:24< vultraz> OS Hollywood
20150422 06:40:30< ancestral> Maybe they’ll drop the X altogether
20150422 06:40:40< ancestral> *Northern California
20150422 06:40:41< shadowm> They can't keep doing the 10 thing forever, can they? They need to cater to the new generation and stuff and everyone knows young people these days have the attention span of a newborn child.
20150422 06:41:41< ancestral> Knowing Apple, they’ll just invent — no, sorry, innovate a new letter
20150422 06:41:55< vultraz> I'm deleting this http://wiki.wesnoth.org/BinaryWML
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20150422 06:42:48< shadowm> I trust that numbers has a copies of every single page you've deleted.
20150422 06:42:54< shadowm> *has copies
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20150422 06:44:54< c74d> Alas, I do not. I've not been paying attention to BfW beyond IRC.
20150422 06:45:20< shadowm> You're fired.
20150422 06:46:17< ancestral> Heh, love the commentary on this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/HotKeysSystem
20150422 06:46:28< c74d> From what position?
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20150422 06:46:59< c74d> Did you re-promote me just so you could fire me?
20150422 06:47:12< shadowm> I can neither confirm nor deny that at this time.
20150422 06:48:14< vultraz> " Therefore I hate games that move units with w/a/s/z key" wasZ?? what pos game uses wasZ
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20150422 06:51:44< ancestral> You found it
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20150422 06:52:21< ancestral> This is just an idea for the default. Free free to edit and comment!
20150422 06:53:11< ancestral> “in other wods”
20150422 06:54:03< ancestral> ctrl-a, jump to the beginning of text?
20150422 06:54:08< ancestral> Sure… that’s a great idea
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20150422 06:56:08< ancestral> Oh, maybe that’s the emacs way?
20150422 06:57:30< shadowm> Surely in Emacs it's something like Super Alt Shift Ctrl x, a.
20150422 06:57:40< vultraz> shadowm: http://exong.net/wesnoth-attach/files/help_wesnoth_134.png
20150422 06:57:47< c74d> It's `Meta-<`.
20150422 06:58:07< shadowm> vultraz: Yes?
20150422 06:58:14< vultraz> i found a screenshot of it
20150422 06:58:22< vultraz> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/GUI
20150422 06:58:26< shadowm> Okay, good job.
20150422 06:58:35 * shadowm hands vultraz a cookie.
20150422 07:00:56< ancestral> Heh, someone made links for PageUp and PageDown
20150422 07:01:09 * shadowm inundates zookeeper with cookies.
20150422 07:01:53< zookeeper> shadowm, i don't think there were any particular pattern that would have matched them all, unless you were matching the exact image urls in the posts or other things specific to those posts (each thread was identical, except for the list of keywords in the end)
20150422 07:02:23< zookeeper> of course matching against common porn keywords would probably be a good idea
20150422 07:02:54< ancestral> vultraz: Ever consider nuking the whole wiki?
20150422 07:03:00< vultraz> yes
20150422 07:03:23< vultraz> Kim Jong Un was interested 
20150422 07:03:28< vultraz> but his nukes failed
20150422 07:03:39< zookeeper> yay cookies
20150422 07:04:00< ancestral> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Factions no mentions of Khalifate
20150422 07:04:13< shadowm> I wouldn't mind if a) the replacement had a superior organization/structure; b) used superior software (i.e. not MediaWiki); c) I don't have to maintain the replacement.
20150422 07:04:49< ancestral> Seems like there should be some way to use the in-game help stuff exported to html… or maybe that already happens
20150422 07:05:00< ancestral> and/or to wiki pages
20150422 07:05:16< shadowm> I wouldn't mind if people managed to pull off (a) with MW either. I'm sure there's some way to achieve the ideal coder's wiki using MW (with or without extensions).
20150422 07:05:40< vultraz> let's use github's wiki
20150422 07:05:46< shadowm> On the other hand, if there truly isn't, then all the more reason to not use MW so that'd only-- no.
20150422 07:05:57< ancestral> I was wrong, “Kalifa” is mentioned
20150422 07:06:00< shadowm> GitHub's wiki is vastly inferior from what I've seen.
20150422 07:06:13< ancestral> But it has a bad link, so never mind
20150422 07:06:33< shadowm> Sounds outdated. They used to be called that back when they were part of EE.
20150422 07:06:54< shadowm> Yep, it's under the EE subsection all right.
20150422 07:07:25< ancestral> Twiki is GPL?
20150422 07:08:07< vultraz> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WikiMigration
20150422 07:09:00< shadowm> Bonus points if the replacement can be made to use phpBB's auth table.
20150422 07:09:47< ancestral> vultraz: Different? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWiki
20150422 07:10:44< vultraz> Do not like
20150422 07:10:56< ancestral> https://forum.dokuwiki.org/thread/9881
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20150422 07:13:46< c74d> I don't suppose there's been much progress on making *.wesnoth.org use a GlobalSign HTTPS certificate?
20150422 07:14:25< ancestral> (MW has this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PHPBB/Users_Integration)
20150422 07:15:05< ancestral> “unmaintained” yuck
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20150422 12:55:53< irker037> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 1dfa690d73e0 / RELEASE_NOTES: Purge RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/vfZd6
20150422 13:16:27< irker037> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 3a310fb214f4 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/07a_The_Crossing.cfg: EI: improved music playlist for S7a http://git.io/vfneR
20150422 13:16:30< irker037> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 0d979ee3ad77 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/ (maps/07b_Undead_Crossing.map scenarios/07b_Undead_Crossing.cfg): EI: first updates to S7b http://git.io/vfne0
20150422 13:16:33< irker037> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master 47bdd07d1366 / data/core/ (9 files in 7 dirs): Fixed the mounted units' canvas size http://git.io/vfneE
20150422 13:16:37< irker037> wesnoth: Bär Halberkamp wesnoth:master f0b0edbe5092 / data/core/images/units/human-loyalists/ (290 files in 5 dirs): ran wesnoth-optipng http://git.io/vfneu
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20150422 13:20:01< vultraz> dat optipng
20150422 13:20:49< shadowm> bumbadadabum: Did you make sure wesnoth-optipng runs compare-images.py?
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20150422 13:25:54< bumbadadabum> shadowm: yes
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20150422 17:11:21< shadowm> Congrats on your promotion, Ravana_!
20150422 17:11:38< Ravana_> thanks
20150422 17:12:11< shadowm> I believe you know you can now prod either zookeeper or me if you find a spammer flooding the forums every minute like yesterday.
20150422 17:12:57< shadowm> I think we've got a more balanced time zone coverage this way.
20150422 17:13:04< Ravana_> yes, I actually always believed that you two were the main admins, based on your activity in forums
20150422 17:26:21< zookeeper> and if we're not around and there's an emergency like yesterday you can try sirp too
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20150422 17:36:07< shadowm> Or anyone else from http://forums.wesnoth.org/memberlist.php?mode=group&g=6641 .
20150422 17:38:00< Ravana_> right
20150422 17:39:49< Ravana_> I understand actions format is [b][color=#008000]message[/color][/b] ?
20150422 17:43:23< shadowm> Some people use [b], I don't.
20150422 17:50:04< zookeeper> shadowm, oh, wow.
20150422 17:52:52< shadowm> Hm?
20150422 18:18:26< zookeeper> i just didn't realize/remember that there was that group/list
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20150422 18:28:16< shadowm> A link to it is included at the bottom of the forums index.
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