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20150425 02:58:17< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 548efbbf97a8 / utils/mp-server/send_campaignd_command: send_campaignd_command: Add to repository http://git.io/vfoW4
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20150425 03:01:14< vultraz> should we removed the unmaintained emacs-mode?
20150425 03:01:31< shadowm> No.
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20150425 03:03:20< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#6422 (master - 548efbb : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build has errored.
20150425 03:03:20< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/59973177
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20150425 03:03:39< shadowm> For the love of 
20150425 03:03:52 * shadowm hits travis with a crowbar.
20150425 03:04:44< shadowm> Has it seriously been doing this all day?
20150425 03:04:49< vultraz> yes
20150425 03:04:56< shadowm> Though it's not travis' fault per se.
20150425 03:06:06< shadowm> saucy, saucy, is it not an LTS?
20150425 03:06:35< shadowm> Nope, it's not an LTS.
20150425 03:07:01< shadowm> What Ubuntu version does travis actually use? Why are we pulling from saucy which is current EOL since 2014-07-17?
20150425 03:07:27< iceiceice> travis uses precise
20150425 03:07:36< iceiceice> precise does not have recent versions of c++ compilers
20150425 03:07:51< iceiceice> for a while we pulled from some "test" ppa
20150425 03:07:56< iceiceice> then that went away or something
20150425 03:07:59< shadowm> And saucy is gone from the archive because it's EOL. What should we do now?
20150425 03:08:03< iceiceice> i started pulling from saucy after that
20150425 03:08:13< iceiceice> i dont know, we could pull from trusty?
20150425 03:08:18< iceiceice> i mean eventually it will not work
20150425 03:08:18< shadowm> trusty is LTS, supported until 2019-04.
20150425 03:08:28< iceiceice> travis claimed they would upgrade to trusty a year ago.
20150425 03:08:55< shadowm> If the packages we need from trusty will run on precise I guess it's worth a shot, we'll be good for longer than the project's estimated lifespan atm.
20150425 03:09:11< shadowm> I just need to replace the lines with saucy in the .travis.yml file, right?
20150425 03:09:37< iceiceice> yeah
20150425 03:09:50< shadowm> And, I guess there's no simpler way to check whether it'll work than to do that and wait for the job to start?
20150425 03:10:12< iceiceice> if you have your fork set up with travis like gfgtdf and i do,
20150425 03:10:18< iceiceice> you can just push to your fork and see what travis does with your fork
20150425 03:10:21< iceiceice> before committing to wesnoth master
20150425 03:10:28< iceiceice> or just commit to wesnoth master, it doesnt really matter
20150425 03:11:08< shadowm> I wish GitHub had a button to resync upstream branches on a fork.
20150425 03:11:20< vultraz> ^ ^ ^ ^
20150425 03:11:25< vultraz> this
20150425 03:11:37< iceiceice> i mean usually i just pull from upstream to local, and push to fork
20150425 03:11:43< shadowm> I guess I can resync from baldras to spare me an hour uploading objects.
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20150425 03:16:10< ancestral> mattsc: Saw your messages on IRC
20150425 03:17:07< shadowm> iceiceice: Should we use gcc 4.9 instead of 4.8 if possible? I think you told me we didn't use 4.9 because it wasn't in saucy but I'm not sure.
20150425 03:17:47< ancestral> The only thing I don’t know enough about is how pango is built in 1.12 that makes it have this issue only in 1.13. 
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20150425 03:18:09< shadowm> Hm, okay, trusty doesn't really have 4.9 it seems.
20150425 03:18:59< ancestral> mattsc: Having two builds for two different versions is better than no builds for either
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20150425 03:21:05< shadowm> Blargh, I pushed before enabling builds.
20150425 03:21:11< ancestral> I’m going to try a few things with this tonight, and I’ll put something up tomorrow. It sucks being this late… but at least it’s dev
20150425 03:21:36< shadowm> It doesn't seem to trigger on a force push that doesn't change the branc tip.
20150425 03:22:04< shadowm> I've amended my commit to force a rewrite, let's see.
20150425 03:23:48< shadowm> It's doing the thing.
20150425 03:24:33< shadowm> Broken packages. :(
20150425 03:26:52< shadowm> Okay, I force pushed another commit and canceled the first build and...
20150425 03:30:17< shadowm> Well, this is most unhelpful.
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20150425 03:32:05< shadowm> Do we actually need newer libraries?
20150425 03:32:48< shadowm> Maybe we could use only gcc from trusty and it'll install without conflicts.
20150425 03:33:41< shadowm> I don't remember how to make apt-get print more information but I suspect it's something unsolvable like incompatible libc, which... problably means I won't have much more luck with gcc.
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20150425 03:35:52< travis-ci> shikadilord/wesnoth#2 (master - ff02c42 : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build has errored.
20150425 03:35:52< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/shikadilord/wesnoth/builds/59974330
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20150425 03:39:03< shadowm> dist-upgrading isn't an option, is it? :p
20150425 03:39:25< shadowm> I guess builds would take at least thrice as long anyway.
20150425 03:45:34< shadowm> Using that PPA again and building our own SDL_mixer each time shouldn't be too bad, especially if we disable most SDL_mixer config options.
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20150425 03:54:54< shadowm> God.
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20150425 03:55:35< iceiceice> shadowm: afaik the only parameters for what gcc version is acceptable are:
20150425 03:55:36< shadowm> Fuck this, does Ubuntu have a snapshots service like Debian does?
20150425 03:55:45< iceiceice> 1) it should not segfault when trying to compile wesnoth
20150425 03:55:48< iceiceice> 2) it should have C++11
20150425 03:56:00< iceiceice> that pretty much means gcc >= 4.8 i think
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20150425 03:56:16< travis-ci> shikadilord/wesnoth#3 (master - cb46ed9 : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build has errored.
20150425 03:56:16< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/shikadilord/wesnoth/builds/59975527
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20150425 03:56:59< iceiceice> if you want to disable the C++11 builds and just fallback to gcc 4.6 its probably fine
20150425 03:57:07< iceiceice> and then just use preicse
20150425 03:57:09< shadowm> It seems it does and it's old-releases.ubuntu.com.
20150425 03:57:27< iceiceice> tbh im not sure what time horizon there is for c++11 anyways
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20150425 03:57:48< iceiceice> but if gcc 4.6 still segfaults on the wesnoth code base then thats some shit
20150425 03:58:13< shadowm> None of the developers who don't want us to use C++11 yet (i.e. the one developer) are active anymore, so I'd not really mind if we started moving to C++11.
20150425 03:58:32< shadowm> Debian jessie is out today with gcc 4.9 as its default compiler, and IIRC Debian wheezy has 4.8 as its default.
20150425 03:58:57< iceiceice> c++11 is more complicated than that, because msvc doesnt fully support it
20150425 03:58:57< shadowm> We've always decided this kind of stuff based on Debian's stable+oldstable support status, so.
20150425 03:59:11< iceiceice> iirc that was somewhat the stumbling block
20150425 03:59:43< shadowm> I'd have to read up on that, but I bet it supports the most basic core and library features we'd use.
20150425 04:00:01< iceiceice> maybe
20150425 04:00:17< shadowm> Okay, wheezy doesn't have 4.8. Sadness.
20150425 04:02:42< iceiceice> i think it might also be a good idea to drop travis entirely
20150425 04:02:43< iceiceice> https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/3074
20150425 04:03:35< iceiceice> if they aren't really going to support c++
20150425 04:03:38< shadowm> Okay, switched to old-releases.u.c, let's see.
20150425 04:03:55< shadowm> There's pretty much no way this won't work.
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20150425 04:06:01< shadowm> iceiceice: What alternatives are there that you'd recommend? We have jenkins on baldras but I don't really like the web interface. 
20150425 04:06:19< iceiceice> i dont really know
20150425 04:06:25< shadowm> It also appears to tend to break on system upgrades.
20150425 04:06:35< iceiceice> i only really have experience with travis
20150425 04:07:28< shadowm> Well, old-releases.u.c works and I had never noticed before that we essentially already dist-upgrade like half of the base system to get the packages we need.
20150425 04:07:53< iceiceice> yeah i think the travis script was getting pretty squirrelly at the end
20150425 04:08:05< shadowm> libc, plymouth, perl.
20150425 04:08:08< iceiceice> at one point i did try to make it auto dist-upgrade
20150425 04:08:21< iceiceice> and pass whatever flags were necesssary to suppress all the questions of the uer
20150425 04:08:27< iceiceice> but i dont think it really worked very well
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20150425 04:08:50< iceiceice> idk we could ask the hexchat people what they did
20150425 04:08:51< shadowm> Oh right, I forgot about choices.
20150425 04:08:53< iceiceice> c.f. that travis-ci issue
20150425 04:09:52< shadowm> Looking at their .travis.yml, it looks like they did nothing.
20150425 04:10:20< shadowm> Ah, they have another build server of their own.
20150425 04:10:27< shadowm> Running jenkins.
20150425 04:10:48< shadowm> That's what I get from reading their README file, anyway.
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20150425 04:11:54< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 2dc58348e41c / .travis.yml: travis: Use saucy from old-releases.ubuntu.com http://git.io/vfouo
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20150425 04:13:40< shadowm> Okay, problem "solved" for now.
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20150425 04:51:21< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/59976631
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20150425 04:56:32< shadowm> yay
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20150425 04:58:14< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/59976718
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20150425 05:09:38< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 3acca15ee1ed / src/campaign_server/ (campaign_server.cpp campaign_server.hpp): campaignd: Refactor [campaign] searches into a get_campaign() method http://git.io/vfoao
20150425 05:09:41< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 0bef9d6553e8 / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Write an error to ERR_CS instead of LOG_CS http://git.io/vfoaK
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20150425 05:46:15< c74d> plymouth… the bootsplash thing?
20150425 05:59:10< c74d> Some alternatives to Travis might be <https://drone.io>, which has GCC 4.8 and an unspecified version of Clang [<http://docs.drone.io/cpp.html>], and <https://semaphoreci.com>, which has GCC 4.8 but doesn't seem to have Clang [<https://semaphoreci.com/docs/c.html>].
20150425 06:00:18< c74d> And there's <http://www.appveyor.com> for Microsoft Windows testing, though I don't know what it supports.
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20150425 06:16:01< irker376> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9f6c07815e13 / / (2 files in 2 dirs): tcampain_selection: removed unused tree view http://git.io/vfoit
20150425 06:16:17< vultraz> welp, typo in message
20150425 06:16:19< vultraz> oh well
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20150425 06:31:30< irker376> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 7fe17353f124 / src/gui/dialogs/campaign_selection.cpp: Dropped some includes unused after 9f6c07815e13 http://git.io/vfoXO
20150425 06:33:59< vultraz> One of these days I'll remember everything in one commit
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20150425 08:06:43< shadowm> http://i.imgur.com/vc65kXz.png -- Can't think of any way to get around this without making Wesnoth a console executable or having a console executable wrapper wait for it to exit before exiting itself.
20150425 08:08:33< shadowm> Though a simple batch file containing '@wesnoth' does the job too.
20150425 08:09:16< shadowm> Actually, that's it. That's the solution.
20150425 08:11:34< shadowm> Why didn't this occur to me before.
20150425 08:18:43< enchilado> Congratulations shadowm :)
20150425 08:19:01< shadowm> You don't even know what I'm talking about or what the current version of Wesnoth is. :p
20150425 08:19:37< enchilado> 1.13.0
20150425 08:21:15< shadowm> http://i.imgur.com/d1JfHCZ.png
20150425 08:21:26< enchilado> shadowm: hey, the update descriptions have a bit more variety than I remember.
20150425 08:21:46< shadowm> Yes, that statement proves you've not been around in years.
20150425 08:21:52< enchilado> Is Ivanovic not just copy-pasting them any more?
20150425 08:21:56< enchilado> <_<
20150425 08:22:04< shadowm> Ivanovic doesn't do release announcements since 1.11.8.
20150425 08:22:15< enchilado> >_>
20150425 08:22:27< shadowm> Well, 1.11.7, actually.
20150425 08:22:32< shadowm> November 17th 2013.
20150425 08:22:38< shadowm> Posted by shadowm.
20150425 08:22:52< enchilado> That was ten days after my birthday.
20150425 08:23:46< shadowm> The 1.11.8 announcement is the first one to use my release notes block code.
20150425 08:27:14< shadowm> So I wonder if there's really a point to linking the SDLmain object into wesnothd.
20150425 08:27:50< shadowm> Barring the stdout/stderr redirect nonsense, I only see code concerning DirectDraw setup.
20150425 08:28:26< shadowm> As well as the hidden WinMain() calling the target main().
20150425 08:28:49< shadowm> But most of it is really the fd redirect nonsense, really.
20150425 08:34:54< irker376> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master bce7c9c3295a / data/gui/default/window/core_dialog.cfg src/gui/dialogs/core_selection.cpp: tcore_selection: cleaned up cruft left over from the campaign dialog http://git.io/vfKeL
20150425 08:34:57< irker376> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 8a7fe3a7db6c / / (3 files in 3 dirs): tcore_selection: removed image field under description http://git.io/vfKet
20150425 08:35:00< irker376> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 30617a4c5b8c / data/cores.cfg: Removed core: 'The Broken One' http://git.io/vfKeq
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20150425 08:56:05< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 8d2609ff4c59 / / (8 files in 4 dirs): Add --wconsole for allocating a Windows console on startup http://git.io/vfKUF
20150425 08:56:08< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master c1fad7357dde / cwesnoth.cmd: cwesnoth: Disable SDL stdio redirection http://git.io/vfKUN
20150425 08:56:11< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master e32d9009ddc5 / cwesnoth.cmd: cwesnoth: Add some documentation http://git.io/vfKUp
20150425 08:56:14< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 149d375a2b98 / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/vfKUh
20150425 08:56:17< irker376> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 077503456339 / / (9 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'feature/w32console' http://git.io/vfKUj
20150425 09:01:01< shadowm> gfgtdf, vultraz, zookeeper: Maybe you'd like to help me test this. You just need to run cwesnoth from the same directory as wesnoth.exe.
20150425 09:01:56< shadowm> Though you will have to copy and modify the script if your wesnoth.exe is called something different.
20150425 09:02:58< shadowm> And obviously you need to use a build of 077503456339 or later, but that goes without saying.
20150425 09:04:25< vultraz> working for me
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20150425 10:36:02< Ravana_> what the "macro definitions ... untyped formals" mean in wmlscope output?
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20150425 13:20:54< Rhonda> https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=wesnoth-1.12&suite=wheezy-backports-sloppy  \o/
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20150425 13:36:33< aquileia> shadowm: Could you accomodate for https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/c61167472bb8a037 in your cmd script? That is, SET OMP_WAIT_POLICY=PASSIVE
20150425 13:38:57< aquileia> Else, wesnoth will restart itself after setting that environment variable
20150425 13:40:47< aquileia> BTW, setting it in a cmd prompt is one of the reasons Blender (3D modelling software) launches a cmd
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20150425 14:12:44< aquileia> shadowm: Never mind, doing it myself - I have to update the VC project anyhow
20150425 14:13:43< aquileia> shadowm: I should set SDL_STDIO_REDIRECT=0 in the WML_tests.cmd, I suppose?
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20150425 15:59:41 * aquileia shouldn't have built in debug confguration - the WML tests take about 2 minutes each, I'll be here for several hours...
20150425 16:02:03< aquileia> Windows debug builds really are only for those desperate enough to wait that long...
20150425 16:02:22< vultraz> you
20150425 16:02:29< vultraz> 're building unit tests?
20150425 16:04:12< aquileia> the WML unit tests are part of the VC project (I added them)
20150425 16:04:31< vultraz> ah
20150425 16:04:43< vultraz> well good luck with that :P
20150425 16:05:25< aquileia> the boost C++ test suite is out of reach because one VC project can only access the product of another, and the 'wesnoth' target only gives you an executable
20150425 16:05:51< aquileia> vultraz: The WLM test run fine for release builds, no issues
20150425 16:06:08< aquileia> *WML
20150425 16:06:47< aquileia> I'm actually running them after each build for months now
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20150425 16:36:58< irker507> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 04d7c5b58704 / cwesnoth.cmd: Set OMP_WAIT_POLICY in cwesnoth.cmd http://git.io/vfiTl
20150425 16:36:58< irker507> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 2f7af4c4778b / projectfiles/VC9/ (WML_tests.cmd wesnoth.vcproj): Update VC project (YAMG removal, wconsole addition) http://git.io/vfiT4
20150425 16:43:02< aquileia> 20150425 03:01:14< vultraz> should we removed the unmaintained emacs-mode?
20150425 16:43:25< aquileia> vultraz: Was your intention to get rid of it in the language statistics?
20150425 16:43:50< vultraz> uh, no. It just hadn't been updated in forever
20150425 16:43:56< aquileia> ah, ok
20150425 16:44:00< vultraz> there are macros listed that don't even exist anymore
20150425 16:44:05< vultraz> and new tags never added
20150425 16:44:07< vultraz> and stuff
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20150425 16:44:29< aquileia> because t's a one liner in .gitattributes to remove languages from there
20150425 16:44:52< aquileia> but if it's unmaintained, it really isn't useful...
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20150425 18:22:45< iceiceice_> Ravana_: maybe for this post: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=34117#p584352
20150425 18:23:06< iceiceice_> the issue of necroing 4 year old post is more important than the double post imo :p
20150425 18:23:44< Ravana_> I thought it was same topic still
20150425 18:23:59< Ravana_> and only one page of posts
20150425 18:24:09< iceiceice_> yeah but i guess theres been multiple threads on the same topic since hten that are more relevant
20150425 18:24:28< iceiceice_> idk you are the mod its up to you :p
20150425 18:26:04< Ravana_> I am not sure about that.. but maybe renaming/removing that faction from core is becoming another FPI
20150425 18:34:33< Ravana_> I don't think posting guidelines mention necro posts at all
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