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20150426 00:32:02< shadowm> aquileia: I don't understand why you are asking me to do this if Wesnoth already does it.
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20150426 00:33:39< shadowm> aquileia: Is it so the calling script doesn't return too soon, or...?
20150426 00:34:18< shadowm> aquileia: And why would you want to disable SDL_STDIO_REDIRECT in WML_tests.cmd?
20150426 00:34:46< shadowm> (i.e. explain everything because I don't get it.)
20150426 00:36:10< shadowm> aquileia, vultraz: The fact that emacs mode isn't maintained doesn't necessarily mean it's broken unless emacs user say so.
20150426 00:36:54< shadowm> If it keeps tracks of "valid" WML tags or something it's at best outdated but not completely broken and will still do its job.
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20150426 01:44:42< shadowm> Ravana_: I'd have split it if it were any other topic, but I decided to take this as an invitation to post an official statement on the matter.
20150426 01:48:02< shadowm> Re necroposting in general: that's the forum moderators' equivalent of <insert political debate here>.
20150426 01:49:32< shadowm> I can't really recommend an actual policy for thread necromancy at this time other than evaluate and decide on a case-by-case basis.
20150426 01:50:36< shadowm> If someone necroes a 6 year old thread just to ask "why isnt this on the addons server anymore" or say "this is cool i want to see more" then that's clearly useless and I'd rather silently delete the post and PM the author about it.
20150426 01:51:23< shadowm> If it's a 10 months old discussion about the Khalifate being evil muslims, then
20150426 01:51:57< shadowm> Well, from now on we are linking to my post on the matter and locking the topic.
20150426 01:52:54< shadowm> If it's a 5 months old discussion about the game being broken by design due to its RNG-based gameplay, then I'd certainly lock the topic just so it isn't brought back by anyone ever again.
20150426 01:54:28< Ravana_> ok
20150426 01:54:33< shadowm> A 3 year old thread for a formerly-popular and abandoned 1.12 campaign being brought back by someone to advertise their own port to Wesnoth 1.14?
20150426 01:54:54< shadowm> I'd give the poster the choice between sticking to the old thread (which may be unadvisable for very long threads) or starting a new one.
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20150426 03:52:36< irker563> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f482208315d2 / data/gui/default/window/campaign_dialog.cfg: Removed an unused linked group http://git.io/vfX38
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20150426 05:54:34< Kwandulin> When entering the cave and seeing the dwarvish watchman in scenario 3 "Haunting in Winter" of the campaign "Descent into Darkness", the player's unit that is entering is saying "Two necromancers are at the cave entrance! Up yer axes, boys, if ye dinna’ want tae be a walking pile o’ bones." I guess this speech belongs to the dwarf. Line 228 should be the relevant line, I guess.
20150426 05:59:20< irker563> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 985c66b524f5 / data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/03_A_Haunting_in_Winter.cfg: DiD S3: fixed an incorrect speaker in the dwarves sighted event http://git.io/vfX4Y
20150426 05:59:27< vultraz> Kwandulin: ^ fixed. thanks for pointing that out
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20150426 06:12:20< shadowm> vultraz: Backport?
20150426 06:12:52< shadowm> Or maybe it doesn't affect 1.12, not sure. Sighted events are confusing.
20150426 06:13:20< vultraz> Testing now
20150426 06:13:56< vultraz> Doesn't affect 1.12
20150426 06:14:07< vultraz> 1.12 uses ON_SIGHTING
20150426 06:14:14< vultraz> whereas in master, I changed it to a pure sighted event
20150426 06:44:56< vultraz> so what should I do with doofus's second wc portrait
20150426 06:45:03< vultraz> it doesn't fir any of the variations
20150426 06:45:13< vultraz> should it be an unused alt?
20150426 06:45:15< vultraz> or what
20150426 06:48:52< shadowm> An unused alt is fine, UMC people can always use those.
20150426 06:51:30< vultraz> Or it could be used for the soulless
20150426 06:51:31< vultraz> hm
20150426 06:57:20< vultraz> yeah, I think I'll go for the soulless, so it has a portrait of its own
20150426 07:06:04< irker563> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 1c27faf3d22e / data/core/ (3 files in 3 dirs): New portrait for the Soulless by doofus-01 http://git.io/vfXgq
20150426 07:19:08< irker563> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 7c8f1e5616b2 / changelog players_changelog: Updated changelogs http://git.io/vfX2M
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20150426 08:29:18< aquileia> vultraz: IMO his Soulless portrait wasn't up to standards yet, whereas the bat variation is fine; but if Jetrel says otherwise, who am I to argue?
20150426 08:31:01< shadowm> Hi aquileia.
20150426 08:31:08< aquileia> shadowm: Well, because it's quite unfortunate if Wesnoth has to restart yet another time only to set that env variable when the wrapper cmd could do that?
20150426 08:31:14< aquileia> Hi, BTW
20150426 08:31:59< shadowm> Unfortunate?
20150426 08:32:01< aquileia> And I just assumed it can't hurt to disable SDL_STDIO_REDIRECT
20150426 08:32:10< shadowm> At that point we haven't even requested a window.
20150426 08:33:02< shadowm> I feel that the OMP thing isn't within cwesnoth's scope, which is merely to prevent the return-to-shell annoyance with --wconsole.
20150426 08:33:16< aquileia> Still, you'll e.g. immediately get the error code of the first instance, I think
20150426 08:34:20< shadowm> What does _execv() actually do with regards to the original process, anyway?
20150426 08:35:03< aquileia> I think it's the most basic one - it just closes it as soon as the child process is underway
20150426 08:35:09< shadowm> On Linux the process image is replaced and the "new" process continues with the same pid and (most save exceptions that don't matter to us) state from the "old" process.
20150426 08:35:54< shadowm> But I know that Windows' implementation of process management is completely incompatible with POSIX so I didn't even expect _exec* functions to exist.
20150426 08:36:32< aquileia> Scrap that... it waits, but doesn't forward the err code
20150426 08:36:37< shadowm> Re disabling SDL_STDIO_REDIRECT: it hurts if you need output.
20150426 08:37:05< shadowm> I assume that for unit tests you specifically want to save the process output *somewhere*.
20150426 08:37:10< aquileia> "Each of these functions loads and executes a new process"
20150426 08:37:23< shadowm> So unless you are using --wconsole in conjunction with shell redirects...
20150426 08:37:31< aquileia> shadowm: Nope, not in my simple script
20150426 08:38:21< shadowm> Uh, so a successful _execv() will return to the caller on Windows? That can't be right.
20150426 08:38:37< aquileia> But that's what happens
20150426 08:38:51< aquileia> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/886kc0as.aspx
20150426 08:39:16< shadowm> That's not what that page says.
20150426 08:39:39< shadowm> "If successful, these functions do not return to the calling process." -- which is good and congruent with the POSIX equivalent.
20150426 08:40:11 * aquileia overread the 'not'
20150426 08:40:31< aquileia> derp
20150426 08:40:55< aquileia> well, I'd never have noticed, so thanks
20150426 08:42:26< shadowm> Okay, so they use CreateProces, which always creates a new process on success.
20150426 08:42:49< shadowm> The documentation doesn't specify what happens to the old process, sadly.
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20150426 08:43:44< shadowm> So I'm curious if running an OMP build using cwesnoth will return to the shell on the _execv() call or not.
20150426 08:44:13< shadowm> I mean.
20150426 08:44:25< shadowm> Well, it doesn't matter if it sets the OMP option before starting wesnoth.
20150426 08:44:40< shadowm> Since that means no _execv() call will take place.
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20150426 08:46:17< aquileia> If I remove the set in my script, it always returns '0' for successfully launching the new process and doesn't wait for that process to finish, so I remembered correctly
20150426 08:46:35< aquileia> 113 WML tests completed in 1m 17s
20150426 08:46:45< aquileia> instead of 4 1/2 minutes
20150426 08:47:43< shadowm> Okay, so it returns to the shell.
20150426 08:51:09< irker563> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 13107f343720 / cwesnoth.cmd: cwesnoth: Document environment assignments http://git.io/vfX7G
20150426 08:51:12< irker563> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 9e2513183dfa / cwesnoth.cmd: cwesnoth: Reset OMP_WAIT_POLICY environment variable on exit http://git.io/vfX7Z
20150426 08:53:40< shadowm> Okay, shell redirection doesn't work.
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20150426 08:54:38< aquileia> couldn't you just use setlocal, which restores the previous values on exiting?
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20150426 08:55:04< aquileia> http://ss64.com/nt/setlocal.html
20150426 08:56:06< shadowm> Yeah, I probably could. I don't know much about cmd's batch file commands.
20150426 08:56:08< aquileia> a setlocal endlocal pair would be the cleaner solution, I think
20150426 08:56:46< aquileia> neither do I, WML_tests.cmd was my first ever cmd script
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20150426 09:00:12< shadowm> Yeah, that works, thanks.
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20150426 09:05:05< irker563> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master bbd2ffd64fc2 / cwesnoth.cmd: cwesnoth: Use setlocal to reliably restore env vars http://git.io/vfXFo
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20150426 09:28:32< aquileia> Just noticed (when answering a [core] related question) that fabi's "Combat Shore" addon, for which he created the functionality, isn't even on the 1.12 addon server - it's only on trunk
20150426 09:29:13< aquileia> shikadibot: seen fabi
20150426 09:29:13< shikadibot> aquileia: Sorry, I don't know of fabi.
20150426 09:29:22< aquileia> shikadibot: seen fendrin
20150426 09:29:25< shikadibot> aquileia: Sorry, I don't know of fendrin.
20150426 09:29:26< aquileia> shikadibot: seen fabi_
20150426 09:29:26< shikadibot> aquileia: Sorry, I don't know of fabi_.
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20150426 09:39:24< Kwandulin> I just played a bit with the dwarves (and their new bobs) and I noticed that the guardsman's standing animation in fact uses the normal stalwart.png baseframe as a frame. I did not notice that when cloning the anim and now the kneecaps of the stalwart jump between the bobs and the baseframe. I missed two pixels of the kneecaps in the bobs. I've fixed that: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97230181/Wesnoth/stalwart-bob.zip
20150426 09:39:40< Kwandulin> The sentinel looks fine, nonetheless
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20150426 09:40:55< Kwandulin> *-guardsman +stalwart
20150426 09:44:57< vultraz> using the stalwart.png as a frame?
20150426 09:45:14< Kwandulin> yes
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20150426 09:46:54< vultraz> I don't see that...
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20150426 09:47:07< Kwandulin> image="units/dwarves/stalwart.png:400,units/dwarves/stalwart-bob-[1~3,2,1].png:[150*2,300,100*2]"
20150426 09:47:44< vultraz> I'm not seeing that in the guardsman file
20150426 09:49:10< vultraz> not in 1.12 either
20150426 09:50:23< vultraz> I'm staring at all 3 bobs ingame, latest master, and I don't see any misframes :/
20150426 09:50:40< Kwandulin> I've expressed myself falsely: the stalwart uses the stalwart.png as a frame in his standing animation. And the stalwart.png and stalwart-bob-1.png should be identical, but they are not
20150426 09:51:41< Kwandulin> Mh, or take a look ingame, there is a small pixeljump in the stalwart's bob
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20150426 09:53:16< Kwandulin> Wait, no, they should not be identical. But the kneecap is still misplaced
20150426 09:53:33< vultraz> They should not be identical, no
20150426 09:55:59< vultraz> Are your fixed images still good?
20150426 09:56:29< Kwandulin> yes
20150426 09:58:32< vultraz> it seems that makes bob-1 and the baseframe identical 
20150426 10:00:14< Kwandulin> Mhh
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20150426 11:49:03< humble_> is any one on today?
20150426 11:49:55< vultraz> I am
20150426 11:50:02< humble_> cool 
20150426 11:50:21< humble_> I have some ideas to improve wesnoth
20150426 11:50:56< humble_> I also have some issues with it.
20150426 11:51:43< vultraz> Have you read the Frequently Proposed Ideas list
20150426 11:53:40< humble_> yea,  I have
20150426 12:53:36< humble_> have great day you all thanks for help
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20150426 21:12:52< shadowm> shikadibot: seen happygrue
20150426 21:12:53< shikadibot> shadowm: Sorry, I don't know of happygrue.
20150426 21:12:57< shadowm> shikadibot: seen happygrue_
20150426 21:12:57< shikadibot> shadowm: Sorry, I don't know of happygrue_.
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