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20150503 09:17:15< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
20150503 09:17:59< vultraz> hi Elvish_Hunter 
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20150503 09:21:19< irker269> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 56329ac8399f / / (5 files in 3 dirs): ImagePathWML: added BW() (black and white) function http://git.io/vJuEB
20150503 09:32:53< Elvish_Hunter> vultraz: a few days ago, I added support for [object] duration=turn end. Do you think that it may be a good idea to update the Stun special in DW and UtBS to use it?
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20150503 09:36:26< Ravana_> would it be possible to just add possibility for removing objects at custom time
20150503 09:37:32< vultraz> that would be awesome 
20150503 09:37:38< vultraz> very, very awesome
20150503 09:38:41< vultraz> but yeah. turn end would be fine
20150503 09:38:42< shadowm> I remember coming to the conclusion that such a thing would require entirely rethinking the modifications system (traits, objects, and AMLAs).
20150503 09:39:46< vultraz> c74d has attempted to do such a thing in his lp8 lua pack, but it doesn't work that well
20150503 09:40:10< shadowm> Probably for the same reason I came to that conclusion.
20150503 09:40:44< vultraz> in fact, it seems to be totally broken right now
20150503 09:41:00< shadowm> Certain effects not being trivially reversible due to having an effect on attributes that can also be overridden directly (hitpoints, max_hitpoints, experience, max_experience, moves, max_moves, attacks_left, max_attacks).
20150503 09:41:37< shadowm> Well, not being trivially reversible without potentially messing them up.[D
20150503 09:42:48< shadowm> We ideally shouldn't have to reverse effects. We should just be able to flip a switch and turn them off (i.e. remove them) without having to perform an amount of boring and flimsy logic work.
20150503 09:43:05< vultraz> True
20150503 09:43:44< vultraz> Especially when we don't have an option not to write to unit 
20150503 09:45:43< Elvish_Hunter> Then again, deactivating effects without removing them means increasing the amount of WML used by the affected unit...
20150503 09:46:22< vultraz> that kinda happens already
20150503 09:46:27< vultraz> see remove_ability
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20150503 10:10:58< Ravana_> however, if turn end works, couldnt any other event name work as well?
20150503 10:12:38< Ravana_> at least turn-related events
20150503 10:17:06< Elvish_Hunter> No, it doesn't. Every new value must be implemented in the C++ code, and that can't always be done. Besides, "turn end" refers to the current side's turn end, so it means [event] name=side turn end
20150503 10:17:35< Elvish_Hunter> Every object with that duration is removed at the same time that the slowed status expires
20150503 10:36:01< Elvish_Hunter> Well, now I have to go. Bye!
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20150503 15:40:58< gfgtdf> Elvish_Hunter: you wrote that line twice in https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/e8d58f4f1f0a03345b780d77f7a286199bc7ea55#diff-af3fd7e884f8ab9f39f9088ca4010d0dR1181
20150503 15:41:08< gfgtdf> a mistake or for a reason?
20150503 15:41:25< vultraz> gfgtdf: "turn end" and "turn_end"
20150503 15:41:35< gfgtdf> Ravana_: i think allowing duration= for every event is posible but most likeley a bad ide
20150503 15:41:35< vultraz> he added support for underscore and not
20150503 15:41:43< vultraz> though personally I think we should just use one
20150503 15:42:20< gfgtdf> Ravana_: becasue i means checking for every unit at every event whether midification should expire which could showdown teh game
20150503 15:43:00< gfgtdf> Ravana_: instead we coudl maybe have a [expire_modification] direct action wml tag which expires all modificaiton of a given type
20150503 15:43:12< Ravana_> true, it was more meant for bypass to not being able to remove effects without massive problems
20150503 15:44:27< gfgtdf> Ravana_: what are the problems of removing objects? usualy you can just store a the unit, remove teh modification, remove most tags like [attack] ,[abilite].. and teh unstore teh unit
20150503 15:44:56< gfgtdf> Ravana_: then those tags will be recreated form the base unit type and the modifications
20150503 15:45:21< Ravana_> I remember it being required to advance unit for that, which causes oos message
20150503 15:46:11< gfgtdf> Ravana_: when does adavnce unti casue OOS message?
20150503 15:46:24< gfgtdf> Ravana_: also i dont remember having to use advance unti for that
20150503 15:46:33< Ravana_> with 1.10 at least, I haven't done extensive testing on 1.12
20150503 15:47:05< gfgtdf> Ravana_: for example LotI does exactly that (store/unstore for removing modifications).
20150503 15:47:50< gfgtdf> Ravana_: ofc manualy changes the the unit done by unstore_unit will be lost but that is teh same for expire modification
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20150503 21:05:48< shadowm> It never occurred to me before to have a look at this: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/graphs/contributors
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20150503 23:40:50< vultraz> interesting big spike mid-2010
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20150503 23:57:56< ancestral> vultraz: Summer of Code, or was there a big release?
20150503 23:58:37< vultraz> I wasn't around, so I dunno
20150503 23:58:46< vultraz> Possibly the 1.9.0 release
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