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20150527 11:35:07< Ravana_> forums and wiki seem to be down
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20150527 14:18:38< irker307> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 0d7ad06a3fff / src/game_config_manager.cpp: Add a comment http://git.io/vkmZg
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20150527 21:42:11< Ravana_> uncomfortable to get anything done while referencewml is down... had to do some searching with local specials to find that weapon specials do not want [filter_second]
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20150527 22:44:38< iceiceice> does anyone know if there are backups of the wiki?
20150527 22:44:57< vultraz> Not that I know of
20150527 22:44:59< vultraz> why?
20150527 22:45:03< matthiaskrgr> did someone accidentally the wiki? 
20150527 22:45:04< vultraz> What do you need?
20150527 22:45:23< iceiceice> just seems like a reasonable thing to ask when its been down for a long time
20150527 22:45:35< vultraz> shadowm would know
20150527 22:45:44< vultraz> he manages some of the db stuff
20150527 22:46:41< vultraz> funny that s.w.o still shows the wiki as up
20150527 22:46:45< matthiaskrgr> forum seems down as well, just wanted to check if it said something about wiki being down 
20150527 22:50:34< shadowm> Hi.
20150527 22:51:06< vultraz> Hello
20150527 22:51:12< vultraz> How are you today
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20150527 22:53:05< shadowm> Okay.
20150527 22:54:24< matthiaskrgr> "General Error" could be the name of an ingame-unit :> 
20150527 22:54:50< vultraz> You want me to add that to the names list? :D
20150527 22:54:59< shadowm> I'll try to remember to make valen inspect the wiki.w.o document more carefully.
20150527 22:55:24< shadowm> Everything is back to normal, btw.
20150527 22:55:47< vultraz> Wait what, how did you do that
20150527 22:56:02< shadowm> I just told the database server to forget about the connection errors.
20150527 22:56:31< shadowm> Unfortunately mysql can't tell apart attempts to break into the database from connection timeouts.
20150527 22:58:58< iceiceice> matthiaskrgr: i feel like that would be a bit heavy handed, although i haven't played all the campaigns so maybe it is appropriate in some of them :p
20150527 23:00:41< matthiaskrgr> hehe 
20150527 23:01:09< matthiaskrgr> general error and major outage 
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20150527 23:24:06< c74d> Ravana_: For future reference: <https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ReferenceWML>
20150527 23:25:30< c74d> iceiceice: there should be an option to download a copy of the wiki on <http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Special:SpecialPages>.
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20150527 23:28:07< loonycyborg> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
20150527 23:28:28< loonycyborg> wonder how soon they'll do this to wesnoth too :P
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20150527 23:38:23 * c74d wonders whether there's any increased chance of BfW moving off SourceForge in the present… staffing situation.
20150527 23:39:18< shadowm> Maybe if you make sure to poke me about it every 24 hours until I give in er I mean remember to look into it.
20150527 23:40:09< shadowm> I'm not entirely sure if GitHub is an improvement in the long term either.
20150527 23:43:10< c74d> I didn't say GitHub specifically. The files currently distributed via SF could be distributed via the GitHub releases system, via Bitbucket or whoever's equivalent, via Google Drive (especially if download volume is still a concern), or via multiple services.
20150527 23:43:26< shadowm> No.
20150527 23:43:38< shadowm> Don't ever say "via multiple services" again.
20150527 23:45:31< c74d> …I don't consider that to be, as such, a reasonable request. I may well have reason to use that phrase far away from Wesnoth.
20150527 23:46:03< shadowm> You know exactly what I mean.
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20150527 23:47:12< iceiceice> c74d: :(((
20150527 23:47:19< iceiceice> why sourceforge why
20150527 23:48:06< c74d> I meant that last option merely as a pre-emptive measure to attempt to assuage any potential fears of individual service providers such as GitHub failing or acting objectionably.
20150527 23:48:35< iceiceice> this is like the thing where, the official Oracle java runtime environment had bundled adware installers
20150527 23:48:38< c74d> iceiceice: ??? What are you sad at me for?
20150527 23:48:46< iceiceice> i'm sad at the news
20150527 23:48:48< c74d> Oh, did you mean loonycyborg?
20150527 23:49:00< iceiceice> oh yeah, i did, sorry
20150527 23:49:05< iceiceice> misread the logs
20150527 23:49:52< shadowm> They had done this with FileZilla before, but in that case the project had supposedly opted into this crap.
20150527 23:50:05< loonycyborg> shadowm: keep in mind that moving off sourceforge won't prevent them from doing this
20150527 23:50:13< loonycyborg> they can just recreate it :P
20150527 23:50:19< vultraz> o_O
20150527 23:50:20< iceiceice> it might reduce the likelihood
20150527 23:50:26< shadowm> No, but we can make SF.net our mirror.
20150527 23:51:16< shadowm> That is, if we primarily link to some other service, SF.net will get significantly less ad revenue than if we linked to them..
20150527 23:51:31< shadowm> Sure, there's still the site search thing but who ever uses that?
20150527 23:51:53< iceiceice> we could make them a mirror just in protest of what they did to other projects
20150527 23:52:08< shadowm> Who ever goes to SF.net and decides to browse software by category? Researchers, maybe, but certainly less than half of end users.
20150527 23:52:34< iceiceice> what are the simplest options for us? i mean if we dont want to just host the files on baldras b/c of traffic, i guess github is the most obvious?
20150527 23:52:39< iceiceice> i dont think gna can host release files?
20150527 23:52:54< loonycyborg> we need some kind of cdn
20150527 23:52:57< iceiceice> we could try to host them on bit torrent
20150527 23:53:02< iceiceice> and just keep the trackers
20150527 23:53:16< shadowm> Even if Gna could, it's ruled out by default since they aren't very good at this whole site hosting thing.
20150527 23:53:22< loonycyborg> frs we were using because it's one of the best hosters for largefiles
20150527 23:53:36< loonycyborg> that are downloaded by million people
20150527 23:53:48< loonycyborg> I don't think github can handle it
20150527 23:53:55< c74d> iceiceice: GitHub has its release system, which is intended for this, but there have been concerns in the past that GitHub wouldn't have enough bandwidth.
20150527 23:54:01< shadowm> The only thing SF.net has that (IIRC) GitHub doesn't is automatic mirroring aroound the world.
20150527 23:54:43< c74d> Bitbucket might have an equivalent, but I highly doubt they have more transfer capacity than GitHub.
20150527 23:54:45< shadowm> c74d: Can you link me to an existing project on GitHub that uses releases (not just tags)?
20150527 23:55:01< loonycyborg> So basically we need big cdn that automatically handles mirroring across the world
20150527 23:55:18< c74d> Google Drive can host arbitrary files, and I wouldn't doubt Google's capacity.
20150527 23:55:43< shadowm> Surely Google Drive is meant for personal use only unless we paid some big figures?
20150527 23:56:50< c74d> shadowm: I'm sure I've seen one; I'll look.
20150527 23:58:14< shadowm> GitHub: "At this time, we do not place any limits on the size of binary uploads nor the bandwidth used to deliver them."
20150527 23:58:22< shadowm> "At this time".
20150527 23:59:04< shadowm> I've always been suspicious of that kind of wording.
20150527 23:59:41< shadowm> IIRC GitHub didn't use to have a limit on the maximum file size for raw fetching either, now it does.
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