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20150606 00:30:40< irker682> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 1d58f4722bfa / src/hotkey/hotkey_preferences_display.cpp: Revised hotkey preferences action tooltips http://git.io/vIOrl
20150606 00:30:48< shadowm> c74d: Can you review this patch language-wise? ^
20150606 00:30:57< shadowm> Bonus points if it's within less than 30 minutes.
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20150606 00:32:19< c74d> shadowm: Yes. It looks fine to me, though I don't know the context in which that text will be displayed.
20150606 00:32:30< shadowm> Good enough for me.
20150606 00:34:13-!- shadowm changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: String freeze ACTIVE on 1.12 branch | Wesnoth 1.12.3 ETA: June 12th 20:00 UTC-03 | Wesnoth 1.13.1 ETA: TBD | Wesnoth Developers Channel | Logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org
20150606 00:39:31< shadowm> I derped out and sent the email before pushing the pot-update. Oops.
20150606 00:39:36< irker682> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 4c489ca82e6f / / (167 files in 28 dirs): pot and documentation update http://git.io/vIOKI
20150606 00:40:31< shadowm> Luckily that didn't take too long to upload.
20150606 00:42:56< irker682> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 74bd344c42f6 / src/hotkey/hotkey_preferences_display.cpp: Revised hotkey preferences action tooltips http://git.io/vIOKo
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20150606 02:19:57< shadowm> ancestral: So, in the end since you showed me a screenshot of the title screen last night I assume your dev builds no longer segfault?
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20150606 06:58:47< Ivanovic> shadowm: bad news, I will not be able to commit any PO updates until June 15th
20150606 06:58:57< Ivanovic> will be on business travel starting freaking early tomorrow
20150606 06:59:21< shadowm> I read the email and replied already.
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20150606 07:13:29< shadowm> Hi lipkab.
20150606 07:19:39< lipkab> Hi shadowm.
20150606 07:19:59< shadowm> How's things?
20150606 07:20:17< lipkab> Pretty desperate.
20150606 07:20:38< lipkab> How's it going in Chile?
20150606 07:21:19< shadowm> Not much going on here. Just the same tedious cold weather as every winter since the mid 2000s.
20150606 07:22:23< lipkab> Pack some of that cold and send it here ;)
20150606 07:22:37< lipkab> I could make good use of it.
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20150606 09:30:25< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
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20150606 09:30:44< irker543> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master cd97aac5a2f6 / src/ (image_modifications.cpp image_modifications.hpp sdl/utils.cpp sdl/utils.hpp): ImagePathWML: added ~SWAP() function http://git.io/vI3hg
20150606 09:30:44< irker543> wesnoth: Elvish-Hunter wesnoth:master 692b4e866004 / src/ (image_modifications.cpp image_modifications.hpp sdl/utils.cpp sdl/utils.hpp): Merge pull request #409 from Elvish-Hunter/master http://git.io/vI3h2
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20150606 09:34:39< irker543> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 8b08513830b3 / changelog: changelog entry http://git.io/vI3jF
20150606 09:35:16< shadowm> Exactly what is this supposed to be useful for?
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20150606 09:41:19< Elvish_Hunter> Let's take for example the Castle of Tirigaz image made by vonHalenbach: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17712
20150606 09:42:20< Elvish_Hunter> Swapping the channels with ~SWAP(blue,green,red) gives it an effect like the image was at night, instead of at sunset
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20150606 09:43:53< shadowm> ... okay.
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20150606 09:44:48< shadowm> I'd rather use an image editor to change all the colors myself since colors don't quite work that way.
20150606 09:44:56< Elvish_Hunter> Granted, its usefulness depends pretty much on the starting image; but it was easy to implement, so why don't have it?
20150606 09:45:44< shadowm> I don't have anything against adding a function for this, it just seems a tad uh
20150606 09:46:41< shadowm> But hey, if you like doing this stuff then more power to you I guess.
20150606 09:47:46< shadowm> Don't forget adding it to the wiki, though.
20150606 09:48:04< Elvish_Hunter> Well, I'm sure that some UMC author will find it (and the other ImagePath functions that I added) useful ;-)
20150606 09:48:16< Elvish_Hunter> And yes, I was going to add it to the wiki
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20150606 13:10:42< vultraz_iOS> gfgtdf: yeah, I think that was when I had a flight. Yes I have a 1.12 build but again, traveling. I'll be on from time to time but I don't have any capability to test or do anything
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20150606 13:49:36< irker831> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth:master 10632ffbf109 / src/game_initialization/ (mp_options.cpp mp_options.hpp): "Defaults" buttons to reset the settings of a specific MP component. http://git.io/vIsp6
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20150606 14:18:45< irker831> wesnoth: Lipka Boldizsár wesnoth:master b0d1e7566670 / src/game_initialization/ (mp_options.cpp mp_options.hpp multiplayer_configure.cpp): MP options:  improve layout. http://git.io/vIGUH
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20150606 16:31:05< irker831> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 75ab0e03b277 / / (31 files in 30 dirs): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation http://git.io/vIGrj
20150606 16:31:07< irker831> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 50580151097c / changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-lib/gl.po po/wesnoth/gl.po: updated Galician translation http://git.io/vIGov
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20150606 18:00:25< Gambit> esr: Still gonna rub my nose in that turd, ey? http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194
20150606 18:00:50< Gambit> esr: But wait! There's more. If you call within the next ten minutes we'll triple your offer. https://plus.google.com/u/0/+gimp/posts/cxhB1PScFpe  https://blog.l0cal.com/2015/06/02/what-happened-to-sourceforge/
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20150606 18:55:01< irker831> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 47025eee617c / src/team.cpp: default persistent= to false for network_ai controllers http://git.io/vIZTy
20150606 18:56:01< gfgtdf> ok i just tried to fix those LoW problems on 1.12 and it seems to be muhc more complicated that i thought, first i got OOS becaseu of this ^: but also there are also some other things going on with global variables which i currently dont uderstand.
20150606 19:00:51< gfgtdf> shikadibot: seen fabi
20150606 19:00:51< shikadibot> gfgtdf: Sorry, I don't know of fabi.
20150606 19:08:28< gfgtdf> shadowm: you have an opinion on whether we shoudl backport http://gna.org/bugs/?23636 ?
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20150606 19:51:46< shadowm> ancestral: And? I asked you a question.
20150606 19:51:58< shadowm> I need you to answer that question so I can tell you a thing.
20150606 19:52:11 * ancestral looks through the IRC logs
20150606 19:52:43< shadowm> Please don't wait until someone asks you to do so, it's horribly frustrating to have to poke you repeatedly.
20150606 19:52:54< ancestral> I should just put a bot up
20150606 19:53:00< ancestral> shadowm: Correct
20150606 19:53:09< shadowm> I can't know if I'm being annoying or not.
20150606 19:53:17< ancestral> You’re not
20150606 19:53:20< shadowm> Maybe you have already read the logs and are delaying the answer on purpose.
20150606 19:53:29< ancestral> Eh, no
20150606 19:53:34< ancestral> I guess my issue is
20150606 19:53:35< shadowm> Or maybe you aren't actually there and your client is just connecting/disconnecting on its own.
20150606 19:53:59< ancestral> Looks like I connected 20 minutes after your message
20150606 19:54:06< ancestral> Oh only for 3 minutes
20150606 19:55:00< ancestral> shadowm: I guess my issue is, personally, IRC to me feels less effective to reach me if I’m not on
20150606 19:55:03< shadowm> Oka, the thing I wanted to tell you is that you won't package the 1.12.3 release, only 1.13.1 (if it happens).
20150606 19:55:10< shadowm> mattsc will do 1.12.3.
20150606 19:55:12< ancestral> I would prefer email if you want an answer
20150606 19:55:17< ancestral> If I’m not on IRC
20150606 19:55:32< ancestral> I can *try harder* to actively look throught the IRC logs, but I don’t like to
20150606 19:55:36< shadowm> I loathe email as a medium for short/informal communication.
20150606 19:56:12< ancestral> All I can say is, if you want an answer, you might consider using the medium the person who you ae trying to reach prefers
20150606 19:56:18< ancestral> *are
20150606 19:56:36< shadowm> Then give me your email address in query. I don't have it for some reason.
20150606 19:56:36< ancestral> PM on the forums would be my next preference above IRC logs
20150606 19:57:17< shadowm> I'd rather send a forum PM than write an email, yes.
20150606 19:57:21< ancestral> Okay
20150606 19:57:29< ancestral> That’s okay too
20150606 19:57:38< shadowm> But I'll add you to the list of people I email after tagging.
20150606 19:59:19< ancestral> Ah okay
20150606 19:59:25< ancestral> With regards to 1.12/1.13
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20150606 20:27:38< shadowm> 16:59:26 <ancestral> With regards to 1.12/1.13
20150606 20:27:41< shadowm> Yes?
20150606 20:27:49< ancestral> I was going to say something else
20150606 20:28:11< ancestral> Then thught maybe I don’t need to
20150606 20:28:48< shadowm> Also, I don't like repeating myself, but anything that needs to be sorted out with regards to the dev build process must be sorted out before the tentative release date, not on the same date.
20150606 20:28:53< ancestral> I was antipicating I would do 1.12 and then get mattsc’s assistance with 1.13, but that’s okay, him doing 1.12 would free me up to focus on 1.13
20150606 20:29:14< shadowm> Postponing things like this till the last minute is a sure recipe for disaster.
20150606 20:29:29< shadowm> But since you said you don't have much time I guess it can't be helped.
20150606 20:29:32< ancestral> I will do my best to recruit some people running OS X to test my Wesnoth builds
20150606 20:29:52< ancestral> This week has been crazy, but I have today through Monday off, and next Saturday
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20150606 20:31:36< shadowm> gfgtdf: Re fabi, it's best to assume for the moment that LoW is unmaintained.
20150606 20:32:28< gfgtdf> shadowm: hm i looked at LoW and it seems like there is more wrong than just the missing save_id= and team_name= attributes
20150606 20:33:19< gfgtdf> shadowm: there is soime code that stores units in global variables and then reads them in other scenario to readd them to sides an i dont know why
20150606 20:33:39< shadowm> gfgtdf: Re #23636, if I understand correctly, this WML attribute would behave differently on different versions of the same branchs?
20150606 20:33:44< shadowm> branch
20150606 20:34:57< shadowm> On account of 1.12.0 through 1.12.2 clobbering it with a forced value.
20150606 20:35:32< gfgtdf> shadowm: what means "On account of " ?
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20150606 20:35:39< shadowm> Because.
20150606 20:36:14< shadowm> Even if it doesn't cause OOS, can we expect WML authors to handle this so that their content will still work with 1.12.0 - 1.12.2 and/or require players using those versions to upgrade?
20150606 20:38:29< gfgtdf> shadowm: im not sure whether its possible to work around in 1.12.2
20150606 20:40:10< gfgtdf> shadowm: i think his problem is that he uses a random map generator to generate 2 staring positions/keeps but has 3 [side]s in his wml and this confuses the modify_placing code
20150606 20:40:53< gfgtdf> shadowm: most likely the third side is intended for some king of leaserless side, maybe random spawns , or an ai side that gets activated later.
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20150606 20:44:07< gfgtdf> shadowm: i tink most likley those wml authors will , at least for the host of the game, require to update.
20150606 20:45:46< shadowm> The problem is that there may be distribution channels where Wesnoth may remain stuck at, say, 1.12.0, for a long time, only backporting security fixes like #23440.
20150606 20:46:31< shadowm> This is often the case with Linux distributions.
20150606 20:50:06< gfgtdf> shadowm: i just had another idea how it can be fixed in current 1.12.2, but its not tested (i posted in the bugreport). I think if it works then there is no reason to backport
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20150606 21:04:46< Ravana_> about the "A new client message used in the default MP lobby for notifying players when they are being whispered by a strange"
20150606 21:04:50< irker831> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 deb57e63717b / RELEASE_NOTES: Update RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/vIZrW
20150606 21:04:55< Ravana_> does it say who messages?
20150606 21:05:26< shadowm> +                                                 VGETTEXT("$sender is messaging you, and you accept whispers from friends only.", symbols));
20150606 21:05:41< shadowm> Yes.
20150606 21:08:02< irker831> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:1.12 7079f9f3d328 / RELEASE_NOTES: Update RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/vIZoI
20150606 21:12:01< gfgtdf> shadowm: you know why [side] has a side= attribute when that attribute must always be the number of the the humber of the side in order?
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20150606 21:12:47< mattsc> ancestral: hi
20150606 21:12:55< ancestral> Hi
20150606 21:13:01< mattsc> I am traveling again at the moment, so only can be here for a few minutes.
20150606 21:13:37< mattsc> In fact, I am traveling most of June, but I happen to be home next weekend, so I can put together the OS X package then.
20150606 21:13:50< ancestral> Oh, super
20150606 21:13:56< ancestral> Yeah that’s great
20150606 21:14:03< shadowm> gfgtdf: I wasn't around when Dave introduced that in Wesnoth 0.1. :p
20150606 21:14:05< mattsc> I could even do my “standard” 1.13.1 package, but I won’t have time to deal with build issues, libraries etc.
20150606 21:14:11< ancestral> That’ll let me focus on 1.13
20150606 21:14:28< ancestral> Yeah I’ll just have to reach out to some folks running different versions of OS X
20150606 21:14:31< shadowm> gfgtdf: On 2003-06-18, to be specific.
20150606 21:14:32< mattsc> ancestral: If that’s okay with you, then let’s do it that way.
20150606 21:14:36< ancestral> For sure!
20150606 21:14:42< gfgtdf> shadowm: hm ok
20150606 21:14:45< mattsc> Okay, great.
20150606 21:15:12< ancestral> mattsc: It seems like the main factor with our builds is the Pango static object modules
20150606 21:15:19< mattsc> ancestral: anything we should discuss right now?  I haven’t even had an opportunity to follow the logs (other than searching for my nick) lately.
20150606 21:15:26< mattsc> ancestral: yes, agreed
20150606 21:16:00< ancestral> No, not really. I haven’t purposefully put up new MacCompileStuff for 1.13 just because we haven’t gotten a single unified package yet for the different OSses
20150606 21:16:10< ancestral> If I get there (I really want to), I certainly will
20150606 21:16:17< shadowm> http://pastebin.com/2gJyNsKm
20150606 21:16:24< shadowm> Proto-HttT scenario 1.
20150606 21:16:27< mattsc> Okay, sounds good.
20150606 21:16:46< shadowm> Oh wait, no, that's scenario 2, but you get the idea. :)
20150606 21:17:14< mattsc> ancestral: to be honest, if we could set up a reliable build-your-own-via-homebrew method (similar to what’s done in Linux), I think that’s be the way to go.
20150606 21:17:33< mattsc> s/that’s/that’d
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20150606 21:17:58< zookeeper> shadowm, what the heck is that? O.o
20150606 21:18:10< mattsc> It would mean that we don’t have to worry about packages and weird incompatibilies between OS X version etc.
20150606 21:19:23< mattsc> ancestral: okay, I need to be off again.  I’ll continue to search the logs for my username, and I do get email notifications for forum PMs, so just let me know if there is something I can help with (as much as possible while traveling).
20150606 21:19:33< shadowm> zookeeper: It's WML.
20150606 21:20:16< zookeeper> sure, but why is it all funny like that? i didn't see any context in the log
20150606 21:20:21< shadowm> The [end] syntax was replaced with [/tagname] in version 0.4.2.
20150606 21:20:26< zookeeper> ohh right
20150606 21:20:53< shadowm> Nah, there's no context other than showing to gfgtdf how old the [side] side=N syntax is and why there's probably no concrete reason for its existence.
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20150606 21:22:21< shadowm> I don't think removing it would improve code readability, though.
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