--- Log opened Sat Jun 13 00:00:16 2015
20150613 00:00:30< shadowm> So this behavioral asymmetry is just bizarre.
20150613 00:01:25< gfgtdf> shadowm: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/779ea775e52f4d043f0ab3649c31fe33f5ae8901
20150613 00:02:01< shadowm> Great, bad design it is then. :|
20150613 00:03:18< shadowm> Does the behavior change when there are multiple human players?
20150613 00:03:35< Ravana_> not really
20150613 00:03:47< Ravana_> they never leave all at once
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20150613 00:04:25< Ravana_> admittedly the more players there are the more likely is that someone just gives one side to observer
20150613 00:05:03< Ravana_> but still, it only matters how last player leaves
20150613 00:05:15< shadowm> Okay, let's see, host quits, new hosts get selected.
20150613 00:05:30< shadowm> And the new host has the option to save and abort game.
20150613 00:05:47< shadowm> Or replace the original host's side with someone/thing else.
20150613 00:05:50< Ravana_> preselected option is droid side
20150613 00:06:36< shadowm> And if you don't choose to save and abort the game then you can end the game and get everyone stuck in limbo, right.
20150613 00:07:05< shadowm> I guess I've only ever seen people choose that then.
20150613 00:07:49< shadowm> So add another thing to the list of MP aspects that were pretty obviously tacked on as an afterthought.
20150613 00:08:50< Ravana_> as I said, like pastebin.com/5pRiDjDG , for known observers people tend to be polite and avoid this problem completely by just transferring host to observer
20150613 00:10:42< shadowm> gfgtdf: Re #411...
20150613 00:11:02< shadowm> I... am not the best person to comment on it.
20150613 00:11:42< shadowm> It's pretty evident from this and this morning's conversations that everything that involves MP escapes my grasp.
20150613 00:12:39< shadowm> It sounds like it solves the SP problems, which is good, but since I don't understand MP I can't say whether it's good for MP too, so I can't provide any useful input.
20150613 00:13:47< gfgtdf> Ravana_: i thought preselected option is set to idle ?
20150613 00:14:05< Ravana_> I don't think there even is such option
20150613 00:14:28< shadowm> For example, does force_lock_settings default to yes for MP campaigns too, or only SP campaigns?
20150613 00:15:12< shadowm> Also, it's a per-scenario attribute. Does it really have a different default for standalone scenarios and campaign scenarios anymore now that the former become [multiplayer] during initialization (or whatever it is you told me the other day when discussing :cl)?
20150613 00:15:36< gfgtdf> shadowm: yes also default to true for mp campaigns
20150613 00:15:51< shadowm> Is that good or bad for them?
20150613 00:16:29< shadowm> They'd have to explicitly set the [side] *_lock options to false from what I gather. Is this the case already?
20150613 00:18:29< gfgtdf> shadowm: that pr shoudl no effect teh side lock attributes
20150613 00:18:38< gfgtdf> shadowm: should*
20150613 00:19:05< gfgtdf> shadowm: onyl the mp configure part (that is the fog/shroud/turns/.. sliders)
20150613 00:19:24< gfgtdf> shadowm: basicly teh right side of mp configure screen except teh [option]s
20150613 00:21:15< shadowm> Yeah, as you can see, no useful input from me, only more questions.
20150613 00:21:24< shadowm> Sorry about that.
20150613 00:23:32< shadowm> By all means, I should be
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20150613 00:23:48< shadownoob> ¬_¬
20150613 00:25:54< gfgtdf> shadowm: i think iöö just merge it, we can still revert it if we think it should be done different
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20150613 00:26:16< gfgtdf> s/iöö(i'll
20150613 00:26:30< irker647> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master b8f26c4542db / src/game_initialization/ (6 files): disable most mp_configure settings when force_lock_settings=yes http://git.io/vIA4E
20150613 00:26:32< irker647> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 4ab3c8cf0f53 / src/game_initialization/ (6 files): Merge pull request #411 from gfgtdf/no_configure http://git.io/vIA4u
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20150613 00:32:07< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#6626 (master - 140b376 : Ignacio R. Morelle): The build passed.
20150613 00:32:07< travis-ci> Build details : http://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/66614330
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20150613 00:32:18< shadowm> gfgtdf: Question: src/synced_commands.cpp:378: is this message shown in the GUI or only stderr?
20150613 00:32:43< shadowm> Or to look at it in another way, does it need to be translatable or not?
20150613 00:34:43< gfgtdf> shadowm: that depends on what error_handler is, n most cases it will be written to stderr, but in some cases it will also shown in gui as a OOS error (but other oos errors descriptions arent translated eigher)
20150613 00:35:30< shadowm> Hm, okay. I don't think we gain much from making those translatable.
20150613 00:37:20< irker647> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master eab9a8702892 / src/synced_commands.cpp: fix typo in error message http://git.io/vIART
20150613 00:37:36< c74d> I will most likely be only spottily available for the next 24 hours, but I'll check my highlights at some point.
20150613 00:39:19< shadowm> c74d: Oh yes, I have a question for you: ":next_level debug command was used during turn of $player"
20150613 00:39:38< shadowm> c74d: Is this good enough or can the wording be improved?
20150613 00:40:02< shadowm> I don't want to use "$player's turn", but "turn of $player" sounds a bit odd.
20150613 00:44:48< loonycyborg> shadowm: you didn't do the release tag yet right?
20150613 00:47:09< shadowm> loonycyborg: 18:55:35 <irker647> wesnoth: shikadilord wesnoth: f4ca0e0b819d tagged as 1.12.3
20150613 00:47:15< shadowm> loonycyborg: 18:55:41 <shadowm> loonycyborg, mattsc: Don't do anything yet.
20150613 00:47:21< loonycyborg> oh
20150613 00:47:36< loonycyborg> so I shouldn't do anything yet about release?
20150613 00:47:50< loonycyborg> or only about girhub upload?
20150613 00:47:50< shadowm> No, you should start working on it now.
20150613 00:48:35< shadowm> The announcement and emailing external packagers are both blocked by the #23504 situation but that's not relevant to you or mattsc.
20150613 00:51:50< shadowm> mattsc: Is the .dmg actually 375 MiB in size or did the upload break?
20150613 00:52:47< shadowm> Also, I'd like the SHA256 of it.
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20150613 01:02:46< gfgtdf> shadowm: so you unerstand this comment: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.12/src/menu_events.cpp#L3128 ?
20150613 01:04:17< mattsc> shadowm: it is 375 MB, which is 2 more than 1.12.2
20150613 01:04:26< mattsc> shasum gives 99356b4e3bc5ab9f359ca813fedb779071dd6834
20150613 01:04:51< mattsc> Is that the SHA256?  It’s the one I always used to check on SF.
20150613 01:05:14< shadowm> mattsc: That's SHA1, not SHA256. The latter is longer.
20150613 01:05:52< shadowm> mattsc: The command should be something like `sha256 path/to/file` on FreeBSD and Apple OS X.
20150613 01:06:03< shadowm> I think. If I remember correctly.
20150613 01:06:17< mattsc> shadowm: shasum -a 256 : c29884c675ec02b0b9c550deb6c3755947466783829eebb992171306ab50f7bf
20150613 01:06:21< shadowm> mattsc: Also, the 1.12.2 post says the .dmg was 390.6 last time. :\
20150613 01:06:48< mattsc> shadowm: there’ve always been two different sizes for some reason
20150613 01:07:12< shadowm> I don't even remember if you uploaded that .dmg or it was ancestral.
20150613 01:07:18< mattsc> the one on my computer has always been smaller than the one on sf.net - or maybe the other way around
20150613 01:07:19< shadowm> gfgtdf: Yes.
20150613 01:08:10< shadowm> mattsc: SF.net might use multiples of 1000 instead of 1024 but I'm not sure.
20150613 01:08:38< shadowm> But if the GH size coincides with the one your OS reports than that's good enough for me. I'll download it from somewhere else to check the SHA256 later.
20150613 01:09:34< gfgtdf> shadowm: what does 'core dump on display' mean ?
20150613 01:09:51< shadowm> gfgtdf: I think a modern compiler would issue a warning, but basically, it goes along the same lines as foo[bar] being equivalent to bar[foo] given `T foo[]; U bar;` (where U is a pointer or integer type).
20150613 01:10:18< mattsc> shadowm: Something like that, yes.  On my computer, all recent 1.11 and 1.12 DMGS are between 367 and 375 MB.
20150613 01:10:19< shadowm> gfgtdf: The reason this is relevant is because the display code keeps a fixed-size array of alignment labels somewhere.
20150613 01:11:27< shadowm> So you have a very limited set of choices and anything else results in outbound access.
20150613 01:11:57< mattsc> shadowm: anyways, looks like it worked.  Let me know if there’s a problem with the checksum.
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20150613 01:12:24< gfgtdf> shadowm: you know which fiel that array is ?
20150613 01:12:36< shadowm> > 2015-06-13 01:12:26 ERROR 404: Not Found.
20150613 01:12:44< shadowm> Oh for the love of
20150613 01:15:16< shadowm> gfgtdf: Off the top of my head, no.
20150613 01:15:34< shadowm> So this is fun, I can't download a file for an unpublished release unless I'm logged in.
20150613 01:16:25< gfgtdf> shadowm: you mean this: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/1.12/src/unit_types.cpp#L850 
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20150613 01:17:34< shadowm> Yes.
20150613 01:17:52< gfgtdf> shadowm: that static array was deleted in 1.13 so i can remove taht comment ?
20150613 01:18:04< shadowm> So there was or is a way somewhere to get align to go out of range since it's an enum type and enum types are dumb.
20150613 01:18:29< shadowm> Well, sure, and make sure to check what happens if you :unit align=foo somebody.
20150613 01:19:01< gfgtdf> shadowm: well if i remmove that comment it wont change what happens
20150613 01:19:30< shadowm> Oh, you mean the comment, I meant the check.
20150613 01:19:55< shadowm> If you remove the comment then someone may remove the check later and who knows what will happen then.
20150613 01:21:03< shadowm> > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
20150613 01:21:16< shadowm> Okay, so GH decides where to send you based on whatever.
20150613 01:21:53< shadowm> mattsc: The sum for the uploaded file is correct.
20150613 01:22:12< c74d> shadowm: when is this message shown and what is $player?
20150613 01:22:13< mattsc> shadowm: cool, thanks
20150613 01:22:24< shadowm> mattsc: Shall I mirror it on SF or do you want to do that yourself?
20150613 01:22:51< gfgtdf> shadowm: i think its clear what the check does, even if it does not crash anything it makes sense to inform the user about his typo.
20150613 01:23:16< mattsc> shadowm: if you don’t mind doing it, that would be great.  I’m about to be off for quite some time, maybe for the rest of the day.
20150613 01:23:16< shadowm> c74d: A placeholder that gets substituted with the player's name.
20150613 01:23:52< shadowm> Are you sure you need to know the context or are you just being you? ¬_&¬
20150613 01:24:59< c74d> What is the player? The user account running BfW, or the active side, or?
20150613 01:25:06< shadowm> mattsc: Okay, I'm on it then.
20150613 01:25:17< mattsc> shadowm: thanks; bye for now then
20150613 01:25:20< shadowm> c74d: The player's name.
20150613 01:25:22< shadowm> Dude.
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20150613 01:25:49< shadowm> The name of the player controlling that side.
20150613 01:25:56< c74d> oh
20150613 01:26:01< c74d> 'k
20150613 01:26:04< shadowm> The side which used a debug command.
20150613 01:26:51< c74d> ...oh.
20150613 01:26:52< c74d> In that case, "The debug command :next_level has 
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20150613 01:27:18< c74d> In that case, "$player has used the debug command :next_level"?
20150613 01:27:47< c74d> exit
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20150613 01:29:45< c74d> (Ignore my last and third-last messages; they are results of my being poorly connected.)
20150613 01:30:10< shadowm> "$player used the debug command :next_level", maybe?
20150613 01:31:24< irker647> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master e377f2912567 / src/ (make_enum.hpp menu_events.cpp synced_commands.cpp unit_types.cpp): simplyfy :unit http://git.io/vIAa5
20150613 01:31:47< c74d> That works.
20150613 01:47:25< loonycyborg> shadowm: I've done release and uploaded to sf, but too sleepy to fuck around with github now
20150613 01:47:28< loonycyborg> will do later
20150613 01:52:00< shadowm> c74d: Recovered your credentials yet?
20150613 01:55:31< shadowm> Announcement draft sans Known bugs section which apparently I'm supposed to update: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42682
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20150613 02:03:00< shadowm> gfgtdf: Oh, and if your PR fixes all those bugs I may want to release 1.13.1 "soon".
20150613 02:03:37< shadowm> I'm not sure how "soon" though.
20150613 02:35:48< c74d> shadowm: Not yet; I've begun restoring from backup, but I don't expect to get to my credentials soon.
20150613 02:50:05< shadowm> c74d: Do you have an alternate email address you could use for your forum account?
20150613 02:50:17< c74d> Several, yes.
20150613 02:50:46< shadowm> Then send me whichever address you prefer in query and I can send you a reset email to that.
20150613 02:51:52< c74d> Is pastebinning the announcement (BBCode and all) a problem? If so, I can prioritize the recovery of my credentials.
20150613 02:52:07< shadowm> Sigh
20150613 02:52:30< shadowm> Yes, it's a problem, but I can send you a private link.
20150613 02:52:31 * c74d goes to mount part of the backup.
20150613 02:52:45< c74d> Then I'll go find my credentials.
20150613 02:53:11< shadowm> Link sent.
20150613 02:53:33< shadowm> Only the first [rasection] is confidential material. The rest can be freely discussed here.
20150613 02:53:53< shadowm> How you'll manage to parse that ball of bbcode, I don't know.
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20150613 02:54:31< shadowm> The Known Bugs [raissue] block is pending changes, too.
20150613 02:54:41< shadowm> That's not confidential, just subject to change.
20150613 02:56:43< c74d> *shrug* phpBB manages to parse BBCode (ish), why shouldn't I.
20150613 02:57:05< shadowm> But phpBB is a software program and you are...
20150613 02:57:13< shadowm> :\/
20150613 02:57:19< c74d> ... I just compared myself to a mess of PHP, didn't I. :/
20150613 02:57:27< shadowm> ·_·
20150613 02:58:13< c74d> I'm... not PHP. ...I hope.
20150613 02:58:35< shadowm> If I had to compare you to a programming language I'd say C.
20150613 02:59:13< shadowm> It's very hard to get anything done with it and it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot, but once you master it, the sky is the limit.
20150613 02:59:40< shadowm> Especially if you use inline assembly to get around language limitations.
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20150613 03:01:10< shadowm> I did not say C++ because C++ is a scheming scoundrel who would not think twice before stabbing you in the back.
20150613 03:01:37< c74d> Are you sure you mean [rasection], not [rawarn]?
20150613 03:02:06< shadowm> Whichever tag it is that refers to the block with the security bug description.
20150613 03:02:54< shadowm> (Also, the allegory above refers to C++ doing all kinds of weird things behind one's back to the point that it becomes hard to keep track.)
20150613 03:03:30< shadowm> (Convenient? Yes. Until you need to debug things instruction by instruction.)
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20150613 03:07:35< c74d> Paragraph #2: s/solves/fixes/; s/affecting [...] and targeting/that affects [...] and targets/ (affecting/targeting isn't incorrect, but affects/targets parses more naturally/clearly to me).
20150613 03:13:33< c74d> s/like it was previously done for Default/as was previously done for the Default Era/
20150613 03:15:51< c74d> s/units moving without attacking immediately/units that move without immediately attacking/ (if that's what that means; it's unclear)
20150613 03:17:38< c74d> "The icon overlays on the minimap control buttons [...]" seems to be describing an unfixed issue, yet is under "fixes"?
20150613 03:18:33< c74d> Referring to fonts being "released" may be overly technical.
20150613 03:21:04< shadowm> The bug is just as technical in nature IMO so shrug.
20150613 03:21:12< c74d> s/made to your install/&ation/
20150613 03:21:34< shadowm> The icons issue is fixed in very specific situations.
20150613 03:21:58< shadowm> For a more general and effective fix I'd have to rewrite some code, which doesn't strike me as the safest thing to do in a stable branch.
20150613 03:24:56< c74d> "builds  with OpenMP" has too many spaces.
20150613 03:25:27< shadowm> Whitespace collapsing is applied in that context.
20150613 03:26:09< c74d> "Most of these items" -- s/items/changes/ or s/ items//
20150613 03:30:00< c74d> shadowm: That's all etc.
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20150613 03:33:54< shadowm> c74d: Thanks .
20150613 03:45:09< irker647> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 b3798b05758f / projectfiles/Xcode/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Xcode project update for 1.12.3 http://git.io/vIAy1
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20150613 10:09:19< gfgtdf> shadowm: m 
20150613 10:10:01< gfgtdf> y pr is just about mo configure screen's settings. It doesnt fix bugs relatedto mpconnect screen
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20150613 11:00:52< lipkab> shadowm: I have no idea how faction_from_recruit works, so I'm likely not the right person.
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20150613 11:17:55< gfgtdf> lipkab: acording to the wiki it should choose the faction in mp based on recruit= attribute so if you have recruit=Mage,Spearman it should choose faction loyalists for you (although i cannot imagine any case wehere this could be useful)
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20150613 16:04:32< gfgtdf> lipkab: you know why we here try to replace the leader carried over from previous scenario? https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/game_initialization/connect_engine.cpp#L1045 ? I cannot think of any scenario were is this wanted/useful
20150613 16:06:53< lipkab> gfgtdf: It happens sometimes that you have different leaders in subsequent scenarios.
20150613 16:07:16< lipkab> Like, Joe dies in scenario 2 so Jill takes command in scenarion 3.
20150613 16:07:23< lipkab> *scenario
20150613 16:07:42< gfgtdf> lipkab: and why shouldyou be able to chnge Jill's type then ?
20150613 16:07:47< gfgtdf> change*
20150613 16:08:52< lipkab> I don't know?
20150613 16:09:20< lipkab> Frankly, I'm not really familiar with all this carryover magic.
20150613 16:16:28< gfgtdf> lipkab: i think this is more mp connct magic
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20150613 16:18:58< lipkab> gfgtdf: That's not my table either. I used to understand that part of the code pretty well but not since someone went on a refactoring spree and rewrote the whole thing :/
20150613 16:19:15< gfgtdf> lipkab: hm ok
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20150613 16:41:41< vultraz_iOS>  shadowm what task
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20150613 20:22:54< shadowm> vultraz_iOS: Read the logs.
20150613 20:23:14< shadowm> lipkab: We don't have a right person anymore then. :p
20150613 20:23:40< shadowm> gfgtdf: ANL.
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20150613 21:56:53< gfgtdf> shadowm: i see that ANL uses faction_from_recruit but i have no idea why i thought that ANL shoudl always have custom faction
20150613 22:01:35< loonycyborg> shadowm: btw shadowm, should I do something about github release already? or you're working it out yet?
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20150613 22:06:18< shadowm> loonycyborg: What.
20150613 22:06:34< shadowm> loonycyborg: What do I need to "work out" about it?
20150613 22:06:57< loonycyborg> hmm
20150613 22:07:15< loonycyborg> no idea, I'm distracted atm
20150613 22:07:58< shadowm> Your job is to upload the Windows installer.
20150613 22:08:19< loonycyborg> just tell me again if I should do something extra for this release
20150613 22:08:28< loonycyborg> I already uploaded it to frs
20150613 22:08:52< shadowm> Upload it to GH.
20150613 22:09:02< vultraz_iOS> shadowm: what task
20150613 22:09:23< shadowm> vultraz_iOS: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=42676
20150613 22:09:24< loonycyborg> link that release page again?
20150613 22:10:16< shadowm> loonycyborg: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/releases , choose Edit on the 1.12.3 block, upload at the bottom.
20150613 22:12:27< shadowm> vultraz_iOS: See my conversation with zoo about it yesterday.
20150613 22:12:35< loonycyborg> hmm I just tried to drag and drop it from krusader and it seems it worked
20150613 22:12:37< loonycyborg> magic?
20150613 22:13:13< shadowm> No, it's whatever X11 drag and drop protocol (or protocols, most likely) is supported by both Gtk and Qt.
20150613 22:13:36< shadowm> Well, I'm assuming your web browser uses Gtk, I don't know.
20150613 22:13:49< loonycyborg> my browser is firefox
20150613 22:13:52< shadowm> I can drag and drop files from Dolphin to the GIMP too.
20150613 22:13:54< loonycyborg> so gtk
20150613 22:14:48< gfgtdf> shadowm: i see that ANL uses faction_from_recruit but i have no idea why. I thought that ANL should always have custom faction
20150613 22:14:58< loonycyborg> Hope it'll work in wayland too :P
20150613 22:15:09< shadowm> gfgtdf: Yes, I read that above.
20150613 22:15:36< shadowm> I didn't say anything because I don't know the answer to the implied question.
20150613 22:21:37< gfgtdf> shadowm: ah ok. I thought maybe you didnt answer because the question was unclear without the missing dot.
20150613 22:22:30< shadowm> I have the commit where it was introduced but I don't think I have the IRC log.
20150613 22:23:00< shadowm> Yeah, the wesnoth.org logs start several months later.
20150613 22:24:25< vultraz_iOS> c74d: please acquire a paste of the relevant logs shadowm spoke of for men to look out when i get back
20150613 22:25:04< vultraz_iOS> Me*
20150613 22:35:27< c74d> vultraz_iOS: Yesterday (UTC, but should also cover Chile time), shadowm spoke with zookeeper at 08:01Z, 08:40Z, 21:46Z, 22:25Z, and 23:18Z.
20150613 22:35:40< shadowm> CLST is UTC-03:00.
20150613 22:35:47< c74d> Yes.
20150613 22:38:56< c74d> (vultraz_iOS: A link to the channel logs is in the topic. Again, those logs' timestamps may differ by up to several minutes from mine.)
20150613 22:41:38< vultraz_iOS> Ok
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