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20150619 09:31:19< zookeeper> i guess we don't currently have anyone who knows the terrain builder system well?
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20150619 13:12:19< Kallikanzarid> It tried my tunnel demo without vsync
20150619 13:12:28< Kallikanzarid> I got this:
20150619 13:12:36< Kallikanzarid> [2015-06-19 20:10:57.437] FPS: 28,9517
20150619 13:12:36< Kallikanzarid> [2015-06-19 20:11:00.437] FPS: 57
20150619 13:12:38< Kallikanzarid> [2015-06-19 20:11:03.447] FPS: 56,8106
20150619 13:12:38< Kallikanzarid> [2015-06-19 20:11:06.464] FPS: 57,0292
20150619 13:12:40< Kallikanzarid> [2015-06-19 20:11:09.464] FPS: 56,981
20150619 13:12:40< Kallikanzarid> [2015-06-19 20:11:12.475] FPS: 57,1429
20150619 13:12:51< Kallikanzarid> that's in fullscreen at 2560x1600
20150619 13:13:38< Kallikanzarid> so 30 Hz for Wesnoth should be doable, I think
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20150619 13:48:29< irker785> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 1ce3698aaf82 / host.lua src/game_config_manager.cpp: fix mp test http://git.io/vLrTA
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20150619 14:40:48< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#6647 (master - 1ce3698 : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20150619 14:40:48< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/67526554
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20150619 15:18:31< hay207> hi guys, i want to select a certain unit type "all peasants" and apply to them a certain effect
20150619 15:18:48< hay207> shall i use FOREACH ?
20150619 15:19:38< hay207> or use modify_unit
20150619 15:20:56< gfgtdf> hay207: i persoanlly dislike FOREACH so i'd use [modify_unit]
20150619 15:22:37< hay207> ok
20150619 15:23:51< gfgtdf> hay207: [modify_unit] also allows you to add [object]s to multiple units
20150619 15:24:56< hay207> i want to apply a certain effect to all peasants, so i use filter ?
20150619 15:25:08< hay207> in modify_unit
20150619 15:25:44< hay207> then id=Peasant
20150619 15:26:31< gfgtdf> no, type=Peasant
20150619 15:27:21< hay207> ok that is what i need
20150619 15:29:49< zookeeper> if you use [modify_unit] then you're supposed to read how it's used
20150619 15:30:09< zookeeper> it's all written down there
20150619 15:41:08< hay207> ok
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20150619 16:55:31< Jake_1> Is there a way to filter a unit's remaining hitpoints using a range?
20150619 16:59:47< gfgtdf> Jake_1: that can be done with formula filter
20150619 16:59:54< Ravana_> [filter_wml] doesn't accept range I believe
20150619 17:00:07< Jake_1> how does that work
20150619 17:00:09< Jake_1> ?
20150619 17:01:12< Ravana_> something like http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=33633&p=576065&hilit=formula#p576065 can be used
20150619 17:01:57< Ravana_> formula is difficult to use properly, as any mistake will just crash wesnoth
20150619 17:02:06< Jake_1> That looks almost exactly like Java
20150619 17:02:14< Jake_1> hmmm
20150619 17:02:49< Jake_1> Thanks a ton!
20150619 17:02:56< Jake_1> I think that will work perfectly
20150619 17:03:39< Jake_1> what are the last two numbers there, in the parentheses? the 1, 0
20150619 17:04:55< Ravana_> unlike most wml, formula uses 1 and 0 as boolean values
20150619 17:05:13< Ravana_> so 1 to match filter
20150619 17:05:32< Jake_1> okay that makes sense
20150619 17:05:36< gfgtdf> Jake_1: you dont need the if mostlikeley you can just write formula= "hitpoints < 9" or something
20150619 17:06:00< Jake_1> alright well thanks a lot, I will experiment with it.
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20150619 17:23:50< Jake_1> gfgtdf: Your formula worked.
20150619 17:23:59< Jake_1> Thank you all very much
20150619 17:24:06< Jake_1> Have a good day.
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20150619 17:36:22< zookeeper> urgh, there's a little feature i'd want and i could probably implement on my own, if only i could compile
20150619 17:38:37< zookeeper> sadly compiling wesnoth is clearly still an inane mess
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20150619 18:09:46< gfgtdf> zookeeper: whats woinrg with compiling wesnoth ?
20150619 18:10:25< zookeeper> this? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CompilingWesnothOnWindows
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20150619 18:11:02< zookeeper> a horribly convoluted mess, which i've tried at least once or twice before and it just didn't work (tm)
20150619 18:11:53< gfgtdf> zookeeper: hmm which compiler did you use and whet were teh prlbmres ?
20150619 18:12:12< zookeeper> visual studio
20150619 18:12:19< gfgtdf> zookeeper: version ?
20150619 18:12:21< zookeeper> i couldn't possibly recall what the specific problem was
20150619 18:12:25< zookeeper> 2010 probably
20150619 18:12:50< gfgtdf> zookeeper: did you compile boost yourself ?
20150619 18:12:58< zookeeper> i couldn't possibly recall
20150619 18:13:53< gfgtdf> zookeeper: i can say that its definiteley possible to compile wesnoth with vs1020 since i did it already.
20150619 18:14:07< zookeeper> i wouldn't doubt that it's possible
20150619 18:14:51< gfgtdf> zookeeper: for me the hardest part was to compile boost.
20150619 18:16:24< zookeeper> i'm spoiled by the only other project i compile myself, where i just load the project file and ta-da, it works just like magic
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20150619 18:24:19< gfgtdf> zookeeper: i actually think compiling boost is needed anyway (well with c++11 maybe less than before, i'm not sure) sooner or later when you want to work with c++ so its not really additional work.
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20150619 18:26:46< zookeeper> gfgtdf, unless you just dump the needed stuff into the repo, i'd imagine
20150619 18:28:38< gfgtdf> zookeeper: my point was that you might also need boost for other projects if you want use c++ more. 
20150619 18:28:56< gfgtdf> zookeeper: putting that into that repo is not that easy
20150619 18:29:14< zookeeper> why not?
20150619 18:29:36< zookeeper> seems to work just fine for other (presumably simpler) libraries
20150619 18:29:52< gfgtdf> zookeeper: first its hard to put the compiled boost libs into the repo becasue you need seperate libs for every compiler and OS
20150619 18:30:16< zookeeper> eh, i meant the source naturally
20150619 18:30:57< gfgtdf> zookeeper: and for putting the sources into teh repo we need to find out how biulding boost works, when you buidl boost you usualyl do some shell command that doesteh work for you.
20150619 18:32:37 * zookeeper shrugs
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20150619 18:40:02< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master d49bcaab48c0 / src/game_initialization/flg_manager.cpp: refactor  flg_manager::update_available_factions() http://git.io/vLKtD
20150619 18:40:02< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f8aa355486d1 / src/game_initialization/ (flg_manager.cpp flg_manager.hpp): fix faction_lock when no recruitlist is specified. http://git.io/vLKty
20150619 18:40:03< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master acf177fbd0d1 / / (12 files in 4 dirs): automaticly detect whether to show mp_configure in sp http://git.io/vLKtS
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20150619 19:08:41< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/67567781
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20150619 20:10:56< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master f1385f78287b / src/game_initialization/connect_engine.cpp: fix faction overwriting wrong values http://git.io/vLKy5
20150619 20:10:58< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 4d4b69812ebb / src/game_initialization/ (singleplayer.cpp singleplayer.hpp): fixup 'automaticly detect whether to show mp_configure in sp' http://git.io/vLKyd
20150619 20:11:00< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master dbea53e5273c / src/server/game.cpp: remove unread attrbutes http://git.io/vLKyF
20150619 20:11:02< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master da4994f4dd65 / src/game_initialization/ (flg_manager.cpp flg_manager.hpp): fix assertions on invalid network data http://git.io/vLKyb
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20150619 20:24:39< aquileia> Zookeeper: if you tried to compile master, I'm sorry - I didn't update the project file recently
20150619 20:25:05< aquileia> I might do that tomorrow afternoon
20150619 20:26:25< aquileia> A for the dependencies, the wiki links to the VC2010 package gfgtdf provided, so it should definitely work
20150619 20:27:21< aquileia> It's the VC10 branch of https://github.com/aquileia/external
20150619 20:28:47< aquileia> If we didn't need to support VC8, it would be a little easier
20150619 20:30:24< aquileia> zookeeper I I'm on an unstable mobile connection, so I'll read up on the logs tomorrow, just ping me if you have issues
20150619 20:31:31< zookeeper> aquileia, nah, i'm not going to attempt it now
20150619 20:31:40< aquileia> Ok
20150619 20:33:38< aquileia> But add gfgtdf said, as soon as you have the correct dependencies including boost, it's simple
20150619 20:33:54< aquileia> s/add/as
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20150619 20:48:55< shadowm> Ravana_: Have you sent that guy a PM about thread necromancy yet?
20150619 20:49:35< Ravana_> I haven't
20150619 20:49:57< Ravana_> I have let his off topic posts be since
20150619 20:50:13< shadowm> Well, he keeps doing it and I don't want to exercise my power to scare off newbies.
20150619 20:50:29< shadowm> Users' Forum, this time.
20150619 20:51:19< Ravana_> will send
20150619 20:51:49< shadowm> Try to not be harsh.
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20150619 21:00:21< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/67579018
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20150619 21:01:27< shadowm> Kallikanzarid: Did you by any chance follow the discussion I had with lipkab the other day?
20150619 21:01:35< Kallikanzarid> no
20150619 21:01:45< shadowm> Okay, let me find the log.
20150619 21:01:50< Kallikanzarid> can you link it to me?
20150619 21:03:12< shadowm> Kallikanzarid: http://www.wesnoth.org/irclogs/2015/06/%23wesnoth-dev.2015-06-16.log at the very start, and then again at 07:59.
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20150619 21:04:14< shadowm> In particular, I'd like to point out that two other people (Dave and alink, both with slighty different approaches IIRC) have tried to convert Wesnoth's rendering engine to OpenGL before, underestimated the amount of work it'd take, and failed.
20150619 21:05:14< shadowm> ancestral: IIRC you packaged version 1.12.2, right?
20150619 21:05:21< ancestral> Yes
20150619 21:05:49< shadowm> ancestral: OOC will you have some spare time for packaging next week?
20150619 21:06:13< shadowm> It's not decided yet, but I may release 1.12.3a at some point next week and mattsc won't be available.
20150619 21:06:32< ancestral> Yes, I can help do that
20150619 21:10:00< gfgtdf> shadowm: are you waiting for something to rlease 1.12.3a? adn why teh a ?
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20150619 21:10:25< shadowm> Because it's 1.12.3 with a minor patch (okay, two but the second pretty much amounts to nothing) on top.
20150619 21:11:15< Kallikanzarid> 20150616 00:40:18< shadowm> Oh, okay, I think you are saying the screen's framebuffer sits at the end of the pipeline and can be read from.
20150619 21:11:20< Kallikanzarid> bad idea
20150619 21:11:22< shadowm> And yes, I'm waiting on Rhonda's help with a thing.
20150619 21:11:32< Kallikanzarid> unless you keep it on GPU in a texture
20150619 21:11:41< Kallikanzarid> transfer from GPU to CPU is a bitch
20150619 21:12:05< shadowm> Kallikanzarid: No, ignore that, that was some stupid video architecture speculation on my part, not Wesnoth-specific.
20150619 21:12:22< Kallikanzarid> 20150616 00:14:18< lipkab> AFAIK Anura uses an embedded OpenGL context rather than SDL's texture API.
20150619 21:12:23< shadowm> You'll notice in the second part of the log that the WOM claim was debunked.
20150619 21:12:49< Kallikanzarid> that's what I'm proposing as well in my demo, using SDL as glorified GLUT (and for non-graphics stuff)
20150619 21:14:07< shadowm> IME SDL (1.2 or 2, doesn't matter) is most commonly used to set up a GL context, yes.
20150619 21:14:24< Kallikanzarid> 20150616 08:04:53< shadowm> https://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man2/xhtml/glReadPixels.xml
20150619 21:14:50< Kallikanzarid> just to reiterate, it's only good for screenshots, you don't want GPU -> CPU transfer in normal render loop
20150619 21:16:22< shadowm> gfgtdf: That said, if you intend to commit/backport fixes to 1.12 in the meantime I'm not opposed to it becoming 1.12.4 instead.
20150619 21:16:34< irker880> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 796a154ba1cb / src/game_initialization/flg_manager.cpp: fixup 'fix assertions on invalid network data' http://git.io/vL6tQ
20150619 21:16:42< Ravana_> sent
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20150619 21:20:42< gfgtdf> shadowm: i dont think i'll backport much to 1.12 . Most my my recent patches are eigher 1) spmp patch related bufgixes 2) Features, 3) Too complicated to backport/too much  has changed in the code, 4) Will casue OOS if backported
20150619 21:21:15< Kallikanzarid> shadowm: ok, I read up the log
20150619 21:21:47< Kallikanzarid> not much I can tell from it, except that we're short on devs and there are a lot of features rotting away
20150619 21:22:07< Kallikanzarid> so what's the plan?
20150619 21:22:47< Kallikanzarid> have you looked at my demo? I've added threads to it today, currently adding autotools so that it's easier to check out on on Linux
20150619 21:23:21< Kallikanzarid> it basically does everything on CPU, then use OpenGL to quickly transfer things to GPU
20150619 21:23:23< shadowm> I had a brief glance at the code but I'm not the right person to give an opinion about it since I don't understand anything.
20150619 21:23:45< Kallikanzarid> obviously there is nothing preventing us from using OpenGL to its full advantage
20150619 21:24:31< Kallikanzarid> I think I can roll a spritesheet engine, and using polygons in a pool for hexes seems like a good idea right now
20150619 21:25:33< Kallikanzarid> I'm not sure how we can reduce the number of state changes, though
20150619 21:26:08< Kallikanzarid> obviously translating hexes in a vertex shader is a good idea
20150619 21:27:05< Kallikanzarid> so each hex would have uniforms for its position (x, y) and texture coordinates in a spritesheet (u, v)
20150619 21:27:09< shadowm> One thing, though. Why did you choose to use C for your demo?
20150619 21:27:18< Kallikanzarid> dunno, just felt like it
20150619 21:27:40< Kallikanzarid> I've been reading Effective Modern C++ recently, I guess it's a case of TMI
20150619 21:28:05< Kallikanzarid> knowing about all the pitfalls of a language makes you want to avoid using it altogether sometimes
20150619 21:28:24< shadowm> For Wesnoth we can only accept C++, unfortunately, no matter your language preference.
20150619 21:28:32< Kallikanzarid> sure
20150619 21:29:09< shadowm> And we don't just require "using" C++, but rather using very specific idioms and conventions.
20150619 21:30:23< Kallikanzarid> got a list?
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20150619 21:30:51< shadowm> Also, IMO it's way too easy to write a standalone test program and maybe even develop and API around it, but writing or reimplementing that API into an existing program is comething completely different.
20150619 21:31:17< shadowm> We have this: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CodingStandards
20150619 21:31:27< Kallikanzarid> I wouldn't know, but I feel like trying, at least helping in some capacity
20150619 21:31:42< shadowm> Section 5.4 is basically RAII.
20150619 21:32:15< shadowm> That's really the most essential point for any low-level code that interfaces with a C library.
20150619 21:37:05< Kallikanzarid> got it
20150619 21:38:08< Kallikanzarid> so, how do I start?
20150619 21:39:27< shadowm> Anyone can fork Wesnoth on GitHub. Creating a new branch to work on would be a good first step, I think.
20150619 21:41:17< c74d> Kallikanzarid: see also: <http://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothRepository>
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20150619 21:42:21< shadowm> When adding or removing source files it'd be great if you could keep src/CMakeLists.txt and src/SConscript up to date for when you want someone to check out the code. Adhering to the mainline commit workflow (single commits must compile and also include all relevant changes for a single small task, as opposed to a single large task/project) would be a plus for review; that said, I lack the skills needed to review low-level code ...
20150619 21:42:28< shadowm> ... (including anything dealing with SDL directly) and don't know OpenGL at all.
20150619 21:42:59< Kallikanzarid> I mean, what would be a good way for me to work? just make the transition to SDL 2 and then make a pull request?
20150619 21:43:48< shadowm> Well, yes. If you mean whether pull requests are our preferred method for accepting external contributions, yes, they are.
20150619 21:44:03< shadowm> There is this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PatchSubmissionGuidelines
20150619 21:44:13< shadowm> And also this page: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DeveloperGuide
20150619 21:45:01< Kallikanzarid> okay
20150619 21:45:29< shadowm> As I told lipkab before, I advise against defining an external-facing (i.e. WML and Lua) spritesheets API because it'll become an unnecessary distraction and most likely require some conversion work to be done on existing content (WML, Lua and resource files).
20150619 21:45:38< Kallikanzarid> any ideas on how to work around SDL_gpu? would purging it from the source tree be a good idea?
20150619 21:46:31< shadowm> If you won't use SDL_gpu in your code then purge it.
20150619 21:46:42< Kallikanzarid> also, current SDL 2 feature uses the usual SDL version checking macro, can I purge all old SDL 2 code as well?
20150619 21:47:38< shadowm> You mean things like: src/gui/dialogs/title_screen.cpp:#if SDL_VERSION_ATLEAST(2, 0, 0)
20150619 21:47:41< Kallikanzarid> I can try to isolate the old stuff with the preprocessor, but it would be ugly
20150619 21:47:46< Kallikanzarid> yeah, that's what I mean
20150619 21:48:03< Kallikanzarid> cause when I hook up sdl2 they will all turn on
20150619 21:48:08< shadowm> I'd purge what seems useless and keep it otherwise.
20150619 21:48:16< Kallikanzarid> okay, got it
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20150619 21:48:21< Kallikanzarid> see you in three years!
20150619 21:48:25< Kallikanzarid> j
20150619 21:48:26< Kallikanzarid> k
20150619 21:49:04< shadowm> I'd prefer if you pretended SDL 1.2 never existed, though. Compile-time branching is just a convenient excuse for people to not test the new code and let it rot over time.
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20150619 21:49:47< shadowm> The final product should break on SDL 1.2 at least.
20150619 21:50:47< zookeeper> spritesheets and that sort of thing should definitely be out of scope of a project like that, since it'd indeed become a huge distraction and certainly much more difficult to integrate than you might think (we can tell that from experience)
20150619 21:52:16< gfgtdf> shadowm: i just looked at the mp connect color bug, and it seems like there are still a lot of codes also during the game that ignore [side] color= compleltely and just use [side]side= for teh color
20150619 21:52:40< shadowm> gfgtdf: Pre- or post-unification?
20150619 21:52:44< gfgtdf> shadowm: pre
20150619 21:52:55< zookeeper> (of course you can internally combine images into sheets, but it should be done invisibly)
20150619 21:53:12< gfgtdf> shadowm: thse functions here: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/master/src/team.hpp#L354 are called by various other codes
20150619 21:53:19< shadowm> gfgtdf: I haven't experienced any visible issues with custom side colors in 1.5.x - 1.12.x.
20150619 21:54:34< gfgtdf> shadowm: for exmaple by the status table
20150619 21:54:38< shadowm> So any using those functions is either unused or used but irrelevant for #23629 if I take 1.12.x as reference.
20150619 21:54:42< shadowm> *any code
20150619 21:55:16< shadowm> The player's name is displayed in the correct color for me in 1.12.3+dev.
20150619 21:55:42< gfgtdf> shadowm: well no mp connect also calls these functions, it's be much easier to fix if the function would also accept non-integer colors.
20150619 21:56:18< shadowm> The sprite's TC is correct too.
20150619 21:57:57< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok wait i'll test myself
20150619 21:59:13< gfgtdf> shadowm: but then its realyl strange that these function are called in many places
20150619 22:01:25< shadowm> src/display_chat_manager.cpp:114:               speaker_color = int_to_color(team::get_side_color_range(side).mid());
20150619 22:02:13< shadowm> I wouldn't be surprised if there were bugs that are only noticeable in MP mode (e.g. without reading the context, I imagine the line above is used for displaying chat names).
20150619 22:03:41< gfgtdf> shadowm: i just tested that chat messages are also in correct color
20150619 22:04:38< shadowm> Hm. Shrug.
20150619 22:05:09< gfgtdf> shadowm: you know what leaders scroll dialog is ?
20150619 22:05:16< gfgtdf> shadowm: is it teh same as sttustable ?
20150619 22:05:32< shadowm> I've never heard of such a thing. Link?
20150619 22:06:11< shadowm> I'd be pretty devastated if there was a GUI thing in Wesnoth I've somehow never heard of.
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20150619 22:08:18< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok seems to be an editor thing
20150619 22:08:32< gfgtdf> shadowm: no wait
20150619 22:09:04< gfgtdf> shadowm: teh file leader_scroll_dialog.cpp i mean
20150619 22:10:45< shadowm> gfgtdf: It's the Status Table dialog.
20150619 22:11:06< shadowm> That's what I get from the translatable strings in it, anyway.
20150619 22:12:14< shadowm> Yep, the caption is "Current Status" and the column headings are the same.
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20150619 22:32:55< gfgtdf> shadowm: 20150619 22:10:45< shadowm> gfgtdf: It's the Status Table dialog.
20150619 22:33:35< gfgtdf> shadowm: but teh onyl file that includes leader_scroll_dialog.hpp is somehwere in ...editor... .cpp
20150619 22:34:52< shadowm> Hurr durr.
20150619 22:35:11< shadowm> menu_events::status_table, menu_events::scenario_settings_table.
20150619 22:35:29< shadowm> Looks like someone copied them over into static functions.
20150619 22:35:48< shadowm> Why am I not surprised it was fabi?
20150619 22:36:32< shadowm> gfgtdf: So, menu_events::status_table() and menu_events::scenario_settings_table() are the "canonical" versions of these functions.
20150619 22:36:51< zookeeper> is suokko no longer the default guy to assume is to blame? :P
20150619 22:37:12< shadowm> suokko is so 2008.
20150619 22:37:49< zookeeper> maybe his bugs will echo through eternity
20150619 22:38:26< shadowm> Oh, trust me, they do.
20150619 22:38:48< shadowm> There is a config cache bug that's rooted deep within his code.
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20150619 22:39:50< shadowm> Right, that's one thing I wanted to do for 1.14, unravel the config cache mess and fix that annoying bug.
20150619 22:41:03< zookeeper> wonderful
20150619 22:42:27< zookeeper> it's a really interesting episode really, because i remember that at the time it seemed (to me anyway) like he was doing all sorts of neat things competently, but somehow apparently managed to introduce a bunch of bugs which were hard to find and fix
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20150619 22:43:18< zookeeper> i mean, normally if someone doesn't know what they're doing, someone notices immediately or they at least break things in a very easy-to-notice manner
20150619 22:44:23< shadowm> To be fair, he did break the AI in a very noticeable fashion.
20150619 22:44:37< zookeeper> oh. i guess i don't recall that
20150619 22:45:13< shadowm> https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-dev/2008-10/msg00077.html
20150619 22:45:40< shadowm> This came after the AI became unable to do pretty much anything other than recruit a single initial unit and idle forever.
20150619 22:47:08< shadowm> "People working on LoW report AI leader units teleporting around
20150619 22:47:21< shadowm> the board." Too bad I wasn't very active at the time to see this.
20150619 22:47:30< zookeeper> ha
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