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20150629 03:04:10< shadowm> I'l be finishing up the 1.13.1 announcement draft and publishing that and the 1.12.4 announcement in a couple of hours. I've waited long enough.
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20150629 03:08:12< StandYourGround> I can confirm that an an upcoming release of Mac OS X, it will be possible to force Wesnoth to use Mac native fullscreen without having to change any code.
20150629 03:08:26< StandYourGround> or at least it's possible right now.  We'll see what the release brings
20150629 03:09:24< StandYourGround> In other words, maximized window in it's own Mac Space without invoking Wesnoth fullscreen mode
20150629 03:09:51< StandYourGround> and it plays nice with Mac window management commands
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20150629 03:14:53< StandYourGround> there are caveats, such as a black bar over top where the menu bar would be, and the screen will be solid white for s few seconds, occasionally requiring an F5 refresh after a window switch.
20150629 03:15:56< StandYourGround> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/963452/Pictures/Wesnoth%20in%20a%20Space.png
20150629 03:18:23< StandYourGround> but it gets better.  If I switch between displays, the black bar vanishes
20150629 03:18:28< StandYourGround> true Mac full screen at last
20150629 03:19:07< StandYourGround> and the white screen is just a quick flash
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20150629 03:50:24< shadowm> loonycyborg: Well, looks like I forgot to draft the 1.13.1 release page on GitHub.
20150629 03:50:43< shadowm> No matter, I'm using the SF.net link for the 1.13.1 Windows build for the time being.
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20150629 04:23:57< shadowm> Screw this crap: http://pastebin.com/02xMxcf9
20150629 04:33:44< shadowm> The 1.13.1 announcement draft is up for those who might want to proofread it.
20150629 04:34:01< shadowm> vultraz_iOS? You probably won't be around before I publish it.
20150629 04:36:25< pydsigner> Where?
20150629 04:36:34< pydsigner> That pastebin isn't it :P
20150629 04:37:31< shadowm> Devs know where.
20150629 04:37:57< shadowm> It's not a publicly-accessible location, sorry.
20150629 04:39:40< pydsigner> Ah k
20150629 04:40:12< vultraz_iOS> I'm here
20150629 04:41:02< shadowm> Proofread it quickly.
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20150629 04:46:15< vultraz_iOS> "Only those changed deemed"
20150629 04:46:38< vultraz_iOS> And I'm pretty sure it's "relevant to"
20150629 04:47:24< shadowm> c74d: "relevant for the average player" or "relevant tot he average player"?
20150629 04:47:47< shadowm> Sans typos.
20150629 04:48:08< c74d> "relevant to"
20150629 04:48:27< vultraz_iOS> Recommend "in a notebook"
20150629 04:48:50< shadowm> Did I not run this through numbers last time around?
20150629 04:49:10< shadowm> c74d: Do you remember reviewing the 1.13.0 announcement?
20150629 04:49:16< c74d> No.
20150629 04:49:25< shadowm> Okay, then I didn't.
20150629 04:49:45< vultraz_iOS> You write on a pad but in a notebook
20150629 04:50:42< vultraz_iOS> Also recommend "at the time of release"
20150629 04:51:43< vultraz_iOS> It should be "Do note that none"
20150629 04:52:47< vultraz_iOS> Didn't gfgtdf fix the bars over shroud bug?
20150629 04:52:53< pydsigner> <vultraz_iOS> You write on a pad but in a notebook
20150629 04:52:57< pydsigner> ^ Correct
20150629 04:53:05< vultraz_iOS> I recall he pushed something that I tested that seemed to fix it
20150629 04:53:30< shadowm> Oh yes, he did.
20150629 04:53:42< shadowm> And as usual, didn't assign the bug to himself.
20150629 04:54:02< shadowm> It's also only on master, I think.
20150629 04:55:48< vultraz_iOS> "Highly valuable to content creators"
20150629 04:56:55< vultraz_iOS> ~NEG now takes 0, 1, or....3!
20150629 04:57:02< vultraz_iOS> ?*
20150629 04:57:54< shadowm> Elvish_Hunter's wording, too lazy to improve it.
20150629 04:58:02< vultraz_iOS> You make no mention of the tod randomization bug being fixed in section one
20150629 04:58:09< shadowm> It basically now takes either 1 or 3 arguments where it used to take none.
20150629 04:58:26< shadowm> Didn't I?
20150629 04:58:44< vultraz_iOS> No
20150629 04:59:55< shadowm> Okay.
20150629 05:00:39< vultraz_iOS> Also, it's up to you whether you want to say "fixed for this release" or "fixed in this release"
20150629 05:00:52< vultraz_iOS> I would go with the latter and I think c74d would agree
20150629 05:01:13< c74d> I've opened the draft.
20150629 05:02:32< vultraz_iOS> I notice you mention info is needed on the music crash, but I thought you determined the cause
20150629 05:02:41< shadowm> Crap I forgot a block.
20150629 05:02:52< shadowm> vultraz_iOS: I removed that while you weren't looking.
20150629 05:03:15< vultraz_iOS> And it should be "on the wiki"
20150629 05:04:10< c74d> I support "in a notebook".
20150629 05:05:05< shadowm> ...
20150629 05:05:14< shadowm> NR scenario 1.
20150629 05:05:34< shadowm> Did someone relocate Tallin or am I getting shuffle sides'ed?
20150629 05:05:40< c74d> I suggest putting "instead, " after "don't panic, "; otherwise it's syntactically ambiguous.
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20150629 05:07:16< c74d> I support "fixed in this release", unless you mean that they're fixed for this release but not future releases.
20150629 05:07:29< vultraz_iOS> I did not move tallin
20150629 05:09:02< c74d> "[options] are" should be either "[option]s are" or "[options] is"
20150629 05:11:18< c74d> "to read the console output of a GUI application marked as such" -- marked as what?
20150629 05:11:57< c74d> (marked as a GUI application, I'd guess, but it's a bit unclear)
20150629 05:12:09< shadowm> GUI application.
20150629 05:12:21< shadowm> It's technobabble, I don't care if it's unclear.
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20150629 05:13:19< shadowm> 2I think someone relocated Tallin's keep for some reason.
20150629 05:13:22< c74d> "files [...] in the executable’s location" -- you mean in the executable's directory/folder? or is "location" normal Microsoft Windows terminology for that?
20150629 05:13:48< shadowm> I'm not sure whether the reduced number of castle tiles puts the player at a disadvantage?
20150629 05:13:57< shadowm> Or conversely, the increased number of castle tiles for one of the enemy leaders.
20150629 05:14:20< c74d> "instead of [tt]stdout.txt[/tt]" -> "instead of to [tt]stdout.txt[/tt]"
20150629 05:14:28< shadowm> c74d: :|
20150629 05:14:49< shadowm> Anyone who can stare at that section for more than 5 seconds without giving up understands what "location" means.
20150629 05:17:11< c74d> "unbound memory read" -> "unbounded memory read"
20150629 05:18:29< c74d> (s/unbound/&ed/ wouldn't necessarily be correct for all memory read bugs, but I checked the ticket to make sure)
20150629 05:20:55< c74d> "Many of them require significant re-engineering that can only be done in 1.13.x development releases later" -- is this out-of-place in a 1.13.x release announcement?
20150629 05:22:22< shadowm> c74d, vultraz_iOS Review the new block re monospace font.
20150629 05:22:39< shadowm> s/used in debug/used for debug/
20150629 05:22:57< shadowm> No, it's not out of place.
20150629 05:23:25< c74d> "check it out" -> "check out this release" ("it" is 1.14.x)
20150629 05:24:17< shadowm> Preparing website changes.
20150629 05:26:14< c74d> The download links are still to SF?
20150629 05:26:23< shadowm> I'll have can direct OS X users to 1.12.3 for now, hm.
20150629 05:27:04< c74d> Fewer instances of "that" than I'd use, but otherwise it looks fine to me (incl. the new block).
20150629 05:31:38< vultraz_iOS> Who moved tallin
20150629 05:31:46< vultraz_iOS> Also the mono space block is fine
20150629 05:31:59< vultraz_iOS> Agree re more uses of "that" then I'd use
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20150629 05:32:46< c74d> vultraz_iOS: "Agree"?
20150629 05:33:09< vultraz_iOS> There are indeed more uses of that than I'd use
20150629 05:33:16< c74d> I'd use *more* "that"s, though I'm not raising it as an issue.
20150629 05:33:49< vultraz_iOS> Oh
20150629 05:33:54< c74d> (I'm leaving it as a style difference, although it may be a correctness issue in some dialects, though not in US English.)
20150629 05:34:51< shadowm> I'm not posting two news posts in a row.
20150629 05:35:06< shadowm> Review this: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=586732#p586732
20150629 05:35:20< c74d> Am I to review the 1.12-- okay.
20150629 05:36:42< c74d> "an incomplete fix for the aforementioned security vulnerability" -> "an incomplete version of the aforementioned security fix" (there is no aforementioned security vulnerability)
20150629 05:36:52< shadowm> REVIEW WHAT I TOLD YOU TO FIX
20150629 05:36:56< shadowm> I MEAN REVIEW
20150629 05:37:51< c74d> oh, p586732
20150629 05:38:34< c74d> s/done/made/
20150629 05:39:18< c74d> Done.
20150629 05:40:16< shadowm> Okay, now you can review the advisory.
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20150629 05:40:36< shadowm> Or whatever it was you were reviewing. I guess it's actually the 1.12.4 post?
20150629 05:40:46< c74d> Back on the 1.12.4 draft, s/important security fix for add-on creators/important fix for a security vulnerability affecting add-on creators/ would be an alternative to "an incomplete version of the aforementioned security fix".
20150629 05:40:47< vultraz_iOS> Advisory fine
20150629 05:41:00< vultraz_iOS> You do the stable announcement
20150629 05:42:20< c74d> "s/done/made" was my only suggestion for <http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=586732#p586732>. Is there something else that "the advisory" refers to?
20150629 05:43:11< shadowm> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42684 this but you had already reviewed it.
20150629 05:43:44< shadowm> Oh man did I actually 
20150629 05:43:50< shadowm> Ugh, I omitted a line in my news post.
20150629 05:44:42< shadowm> c74d: This again: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=586732#p586732
20150629 05:45:47< shadowm> I think this is the last and only time I release two of these together.
20150629 05:46:44< shadowm> But... can't leave users of one branch out in the cold when it comes to this kind of fixes...
20150629 05:47:37< c74d> If the only change was s/done/made/ and the addition of "See also our security advisory for previous versions.", then it's okay by me, though I'm not sure what "for previous versions" means ("[...] security advisory concerning previous versions", or "For previous versions, see also [...]").
20150629 05:47:54< shadowm> GOD okay.
20150629 05:48:30< shadowm> It's perfectly obvious that both interpretations lead to the same outcome.
20150629 05:48:43< c74d> 'k.
20150629 05:49:11< shadowm> Okay, done, I'm posting.
20150629 05:49:13< c74d> "libvorbis*" -- I guess this is a glob pattern? Could result in confused people trying to find the footnote.
20150629 05:50:01< shadowm> That'd be so amusing.
20150629 05:52:33< shadowm> lol forgot another thing.
20150629 05:52:46< c74d> "The MP server moderation options are no longer displayed grayed out to non-mods in the lobby." -- so they're displayed non-grayed-out, or...?
20150629 05:52:53< shadowm> It's actually pretty unimportant and inconsequential so I guess I'll amend it later.
20150629 05:52:56< c74d> (yes, one can easily guess that they're not displayed at all)
20150629 05:53:47< c74d> (I'm not pushing for that to be changed)
20150629 05:55:50< c74d> That's all etc.
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20150629 13:10:06< gfgtdf> shadowm: maybe we shoudl put the tutorial bug in the know bugs scection of 1.13 announcment ?
20150629 13:12:45< gfgtdf> shadowm: "It is no longer possible to undo moves before the last (manual) shroud update." has actually an entry in the tracker: https://gna.org/bugs/?23600
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20150629 14:23:02< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: https://gna.org/bugs/?23671
20150629 14:24:22< loonycyborg> hmm interesting
20150629 14:25:41< loonycyborg> not sure if it's the vorbis issue tho
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20150629 14:26:05< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: i think it is becasue i worked for me after i replaced those files
20150629 14:26:39< loonycyborg> you mean it happens for you too?
20150629 14:28:04< loonycyborg> http://files.wesnoth.org/vorbis-dev.zip
20150629 14:28:10< loonycyborg> you could try dlls from here too
20150629 14:28:41< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: it happens for me with wesnoth 1.12.4 downaloded from sourceforege
20150629 14:28:59< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: not with my self compiled 1.13 version
20150629 14:32:40< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: it does not crash with that files for me
20150629 14:32:50< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: just tested
20150629 14:33:05< loonycyborg> cool
20150629 14:33:16< loonycyborg> can you try to use those dev files for your build?
20150629 14:33:52< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: for my self compiled 1.13 you mean ?
20150629 14:34:00< loonycyborg> yes
20150629 14:34:52< loonycyborg> people were plagued by weird crashes and some reported that reverting to older version of vorbis fixed them
20150629 14:35:29< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: yes they work for my buidl too.
20150629 14:36:01< loonycyborg> the one I'm using in 1.12.4 that is
20150629 14:36:10< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: i think im not one of those persons ho where plagued by those crashed so i cannot tell whether thse vorbis-dev.dll filed also have those crashes
20150629 14:37:05< loonycyborg> vorbis-dev.zip is the latest upstream version I compiled using mingw64 cross-compiler
20150629 14:37:37< loonycyborg> Guess will have to try to use it for next release
20150629 14:38:01< gfgtdf> loonycyborg: were those wired crashed only on windows xp or also on other windowses?
20150629 14:38:29< loonycyborg> don't remember exactly
20150629 14:38:53< loonycyborg> gfgtdf: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42429
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20150629 21:02:45< shadowm> loonycyborg, gfgtdf: So the vorbis downgrade actually broke things for everyone else is what I'm reading?
20150629 21:02:59< loonycyborg> seems so
20150629 21:03:00< shadowm> In that case I want a 1.12.4a and 1.13.1a from loonycyborg as soon as possible.
20150629 21:03:14< loonycyborg> I didn't use it in 1.13
20150629 21:03:23< shadowm> 1.12.4a then.
20150629 21:03:50< shadowm> I don't plan to get 1.12.5 out before two months pass and it's not good that Wesnoth crashes for everyone on Windows.
20150629 21:04:03< loonycyborg> not for everyone
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20150629 21:04:17< loonycyborg> only for people who dig into preferences too deeply
20150629 21:04:36< shadowm> How is enabling or disabling music "digging too deeply"?!
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20150629 21:09:13< shadowm> loonycyborg: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?p=586776#p586776
20150629 21:09:37< shadowm> I'm not sure why I have to do this for you.
20150629 21:10:37< shadowm> Or why the zip file name still doesn't include a version number.
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20150629 21:11:50< shadowm> loonycyborg: We will wait for tekelili's answer and then you will upload 1.12.4a with whichever set of DLLs turns out to solve the issue.
20150629 21:12:01< shadowm> That is a decision, not a question.
20150629 21:12:05< loonycyborg> ok
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20150629 21:12:31< Ravana_> shadowm: for me the vorbis-dev fixed it
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20150629 21:18:44< shadowm> I've sent a PM to harl to see if he can help test the unreleased DLLs.
20150629 21:18:57< shadowm> As well as confirm the music crash with the 1.12.4 DLLs.
20150629 21:21:02< shadowm> The problem with crashing when music is toggled is that for all I know it may also crash when switching tracks, seeking to the start, etc.
20150629 21:22:06< shadowm> Also, I have the suspicion that the only way to be sure things don't break due to e.g. ABI changes is to rebuild SDL_mixer, libogg, and libvorbis all together against the correct versions.
20150629 21:22:36< shadowm> I.e. not be lazy.
20150629 21:26:34< loonycyborg> that makes sens
20150629 21:29:19< loonycyborg> but
20150629 21:29:28< loonycyborg> I was avoiding building too much stuff
20150629 21:29:39< loonycyborg> because it could add even more problems
20150629 21:37:21< loonycyborg> shadowm: ideally I wanted to avoid ever changing dlls used in stable releases
20150629 21:37:32< loonycyborg> and only add newer version of dlls to dev releases
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20150629 21:47:38< shadowm> loonycyborg: And I would agree with the sentiment if it weren't for all those bug reports!
20150629 21:47:49< shadowm> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=42429
20150629 21:47:59< shadowm> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23203
20150629 21:48:23< shadowm> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?21937
20150629 21:48:32< shadowm> No wait, not that last one.
20150629 21:49:36< shadowm> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23026
20150629 21:50:24< shadowm> If your solution for these is to not lift a finger then all we can get from that is frustrated users who won't run 1.12.
20150629 21:50:57< shadowm> As well as people trying Wesnoth for the first time, seeing it crash randomly, and then abandoning it without giving it much of a chance.
20150629 21:51:09< shadowm> Does this sound like an ideal solution to you, loonycyborg?
20150629 21:51:46< loonycyborg> I see 2 solutions
20150629 21:51:53< loonycyborg> 1 use vorbis-dev
20150629 21:52:01< loonycyborg> 2 use what we used in 12.1
20150629 21:52:16< shadowm> Are you sauing that there was a change between 1.12.0 and 1.12.1?
20150629 21:52:28< shadowm> Er, 1.12.1 and 1.12.2, I mean.
20150629 21:52:41< shadowm> And, is that not what we are using with 1.12.4 now?
20150629 21:53:49< shadowm> These reports have version 1.12.0 assigned to them.
20150629 21:54:07< shadowm> As well as version 1.12.2.
20150629 21:54:14< loonycyborg> hmm I mean the first one we used
20150629 21:54:24< loonycyborg> first version of 12 series
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20150629 21:54:44< shadowm> 1.12.0 had the random sound crashes.
20150629 21:54:57< shadowm> And so did 1.12.2 and presumably 1.12.1.
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20150629 21:57:14< shadowm> If the problem wasn't reportedly fixed merely by replacing libvorbis* I'd suspect the RWops patches from 1.11.19. :\
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20150629 22:34:35< shadowm> So I guess I'll have to go get the DLLs from 1.12.2 myself.
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20150629 23:10:37< shadowm> Okay, I think I've done as much as it is possible for me, the guy who isn't the Windows packager, to do in terms of damage control.
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20150629 23:24:29< loonycyborg> shadowm: people reported vorbis-dev work fine so I'll just go do a release using it
20150629 23:25:21< shadowm> 18:18:45 <shadowm> I've sent a PM to harl to see if he can help test the unreleased DLLs.
20150629 23:25:39< shadowm> You can do that but then we'll be back to the previous situation,
20150629 23:26:32< shadowm> Sigh, I guess it's easier to have people affected by that particular bug deploy the DLLs.
20150629 23:27:26< shadowm> loonycyborg: Do me a favor and test enabling/disabling music, entering and leaving the MP lobby, and play a match with music on before uploading.
20150629 23:28:21< shadowm> Before tagging I droid one or two matches (one SP and another in MP mode) with sounds and music on on a pristine configuration set.
20150629 23:28:42< shadowm> It'd be nice if you packagers also took the time to test like I do, especially for a stable release.
20150629 23:29:39< shadowm> Also, don't bother with GitHub. I'm fucking done with that experiment.
20150629 23:30:44< shadowm> (Also, re time, setting accel speed to 16x in Preferences → General helps.)
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20150629 23:41:27< irker104> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 23d4367f9540 / RELEASE_NOTES: Purge RELEASE_NOTES http://git.io/vtiBh
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20150629 23:52:13< loonycyborg> shadowm: I tested disabling music, it crashes for 1.12.4 and works fine if I replace dlls with vorbis-dev ones
20150629 23:53:08< loonycyborg> and I'd test actual sound but I'd rather not enable sound and no idea where are my headphones..
20150629 23:55:06< loonycyborg> my upload script doesn't support "a" versions. Maybe I should just do upload again and overwrite it?
20150629 23:56:45< shadowm> Your upload script sucks.
20150629 23:57:04< shadowm> No, don't upload again and overwrite it. That doesn't help anyone identify changed files.
20150629 23:57:17< shadowm> Also, why can you do music and not sound?
20150629 23:57:31< loonycyborg> no I mean hearing actual music
20150629 23:57:57< loonycyborg> physical speakers
20150629 23:59:05< loonycyborg> I multibooted before you asked about mp lobby
20150629 23:59:13< loonycyborg> I tested only prefs dialog
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