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20150626 02:27:59< Yaiyan> Why do logs of me talking here 6 years ago still have to exist...
20150626 02:28:16< Yaiyan> I don't even remember ever even having used text-speak
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20150626 02:42:44< shadowm> I don't even remember you.
20150626 02:43:09< Yaiyan> Unnheulu
20150626 02:43:16< Yaiyan> I wound you up a bit if I recall
20150626 02:44:18< shadowm> Yeah, doesn't ring a bell.
20150626 02:44:33< Yaiyan> Ok, that's good - the less people who remember younger me, the better
20150626 02:44:41< shadowm> Just kidding.
20150626 02:44:46< shadowm> >:)
20150626 02:44:59< shadowm> No-one reads old logs, it's all immaterial.
20150626 02:45:31< shadowm> Let the past go and aim towards the future.
20150626 02:45:43< shadowm> Insert crappy motivational speech here.
20150626 02:46:52< Yaiyan> Haha, hopefully that's the case
20150626 02:47:15< Yaiyan> Trying to improve my C++ to a state I can start contributing to anywhere I was an irritant to try and make up a little
20150626 02:52:03< Afdal> okay, so
20150626 02:52:09< Afdal> Can someone explain this simple line here to me
20150626 02:52:10< Afdal> local helper = wesnoth.require "lua/helper.lua"
20150626 02:53:04< Afdal> whatever wesnoth.require is, it's not referenced in helper.lua anywhere
20150626 02:53:27< shadowm> You can read that as `local helper = wesnoth.require("lua/helper.lua")`.
20150626 02:53:44< shadowm> It's a function call, an wesnoth.require is a function provided by Wesnoth's built-in Lua interpreter library.
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20150626 02:54:07< shadowm> And here is its documentation: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML:Files#wesnoth.require
20150626 02:54:14< Afdal> thanks
20150626 02:54:26< Afdal> oh okay
20150626 02:54:43< Afdal> so wesnoth.require is just a function for loading code files relative to the Wesnoth install directory?
20150626 02:54:55< Afdal> Where can I find all these built-in functions?
20150626 02:55:27< shadowm> Relative to both the core data dir and the user data dir.
20150626 02:55:56< shadowm> All of the wesnoth.* functions in http://wiki.wesnoth.org/LuaWML are provided by the interpreter itself so you don't need to load any additional files to use them.
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20150626 02:56:18< Afdal> great, thanks :)
20150626 02:56:25< shadowm> It's just the helper.lua functions that are optional for some reason I don't know.
20150626 03:12:52< Afdal> so hard to learn from some of these mods because nobody annotates their code .~.
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20150626 05:47:52< Afdal> yeah...
20150626 05:48:01< Afdal> learning Lua and WML wasn't even the hard part of this
20150626 05:48:09< Afdal> Are there any uh
20150626 05:48:12< Afdal> more directed guides
20150626 05:48:34< Afdal> to learning all the important Wesnoth methods to call upon for modding?
20150626 05:49:06< Afdal>  /classes
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20150626 05:54:52< Afdal> Does Wesnoth have a debug more or something
20150626 05:55:03< Afdal> so I can see what code is being executed when stuff happens
20150626 05:55:04< Afdal> mode*
20150626 06:24:07< celticminstrel> There is a debug mode, but I don't think there's anything like a debugger.
20150626 06:24:37< celticminstrel> Debug mode basically gives you "cheats" to help testing.
20150626 06:26:07< celticminstrel> I remember something about a Lua console too, but not sure if that was in 1.12 or 1.13.
20150626 06:26:27< celticminstrel> Oh, there's the [inspect] WML tag.
20150626 06:26:43< Afdal> ?
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20150626 06:26:57< celticminstrel> Let me look it up quickly to make sure I'm getting this right.
20150626 06:27:44< celticminstrel> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InterfaceActionsWML#.5Binspect.5D
20150626 06:27:56< celticminstrel> It's a WML tag and also a chat command.
20150626 06:28:07< Afdal> hmm
20150626 06:28:10< celticminstrel> And, you can of course invoke it from Lua as well.
20150626 06:28:12< Afdal> Does that only work on WML sutff though
20150626 06:28:16< Afdal> stuff
20150626 06:28:27< celticminstrel> It basically lets you view the gamestate.
20150626 06:28:59< celticminstrel> Using the command, you can view the gamestate anytime the user has control; with the tag, you can view the gamestate sometime in the middle of an action.
20150626 06:29:16< Afdal> So how would I use this in-game?
20150626 06:29:39< celticminstrel> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/CommandMode
20150626 06:29:48< celticminstrel> Enable debug with :debug, then type :inspect.
20150626 06:29:53< Afdal> thanks :3
20150626 06:30:02< celticminstrel> To use the tag in a WML event, just include [inspect][/inspect].
20150626 06:30:25< Afdal> hmm
20150626 06:30:50< Afdal> Unknown command ':debug'.  try :help for a list of available commands.
20150626 06:30:54< celticminstrel> Or call it from Lua with wesnoth.wml_actions.inspect.
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20150626 06:31:14< celticminstrel> Or wesnoth.wml_actions.inspect(identifier)
20150626 06:31:18< Afdal> oh, no colon
20150626 06:31:20< celticminstrel> Might need () on the end of the first, I forget.
20150626 06:31:41< celticminstrel> The colon is because usually you type the colon to open the command prompt, then enter "debug".
20150626 06:31:50< celticminstrel> Though I think you can change colon.
20150626 06:32:48< Afdal> ah
20150626 06:32:57< celticminstrel> Oh, sorry, if you want an identifier it looks like you'd call it as wesnoth.wml_actions.inspect{name='identifier'}
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20150626 15:35:51< Jake_1> Hello, is there a way to filter a radius in one particular direction based on a unit's facing?
20150626 15:40:23< zookeeper> sure
20150626 15:40:29< Jake_1> https://dpaste.de/3hvO
20150626 15:40:34< Jake_1> that was my attempt
20150626 15:40:49< Jake_1> I do not think it worked.
20150626 15:41:08< zookeeper> which locations does it store?
20150626 15:41:40< zookeeper> oh, well, that's because there's no direction=
20150626 15:41:57< Jake_1> it is within a menu item, so it is supposed to store up to 10 spaces in that direction from where you click it
20150626 15:42:28< zookeeper> i'd say replace the contents of [filter_radius] with [filter_adjacent_location] adjacent=$unit.facing [/filter_adjacent_location]
20150626 15:42:50< Jake_1> okay thank you!
20150626 15:43:31< zookeeper> eh, no, that alone won't do
20150626 15:43:34 * zookeeper thinks
20150626 15:44:57< zookeeper> i'm inclined to say you can't do that in a single SLF
20150626 15:45:06< Jake_1> I just need it to only take the radius out in one direction
20150626 15:45:15< Jake_1> What is an SLF?
20150626 15:45:22< zookeeper> StandardLocationFilter
20150626 15:45:24< Jake_1> ah
20150626 15:46:10< zookeeper> i mean, you can nest a pile of [filter_adjacent_location]s and [or]s, but it gets pretty messy when you get 10 levels deep
20150626 15:46:25< Jake_1> eh
20150626 15:46:31< Jake_1> I don't mind
20150626 15:46:43< Jake_1> its already pretty deep and messy
20150626 15:46:45< zookeeper> but i don't think there's a way to expand the radius by more than 1 step in only one direction
20150626 15:47:01< zookeeper> however, a simple loop to do that would be easy to do
20150626 15:47:55< Jake_1> thank you
20150626 15:48:04< zookeeper> give me a few minutes, i'll draw up something...
20150626 15:48:12< Jake_1> Thank you very much!
20150626 15:54:22< zookeeper> oh, actually it's a bit tricky, but i'm almost there...
20150626 15:54:41< Jake_1> Thanks again! Take your time.
20150626 16:00:10< zookeeper> i think this does it: https://dpaste.de/i8xk#L8
20150626 16:00:50< zookeeper> i assume the menu item only works on a unit?
20150626 16:02:07< Jake_1> Yeah
20150626 16:02:07< zookeeper> i don't actually even recall if $unit is available in menu items automatically... probably it is
20150626 16:02:12< Jake_1> Thank you!
20150626 16:02:41< Jake_1> I think this will work.
20150626 16:02:52< Jake_1> Thanks a lot. You have it repeat 3 times?
20150626 16:03:05< Jake_1> should I just fill in the number I want for the radius?
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20150626 16:07:45< zookeeper> oh right, yeah replace the number
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20150626 16:39:28< Jake_1> It works! Thank you!
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20150626 17:06:46< zookeeper> great
20150626 17:07:17< zookeeper> (remember to clear the variable too, otherwise subsequent invocations will just keep growing the wind array)
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20150626 17:09:28< Jake_1> Don't worry I never forget that stuff
20150626 17:09:30< Jake_1> :)
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20150626 20:26:12< Jake_1> Hello again, does anyone know if there is a way to prevent units from being destroyed when they are accidentally set to unstore on invalid x,y coordinates?
20150626 20:27:03< Jake_1> Like I have a script that pushes units back by storing them, (kill=yes) and then adding or subtracting the distance to their coordinates.
20150626 20:27:11< Jake_1> and the unstoring them
20150626 20:27:13< Jake_1> then*
20150626 20:27:40< c74d> Jake_1: why use manual storing/unstoring rather than [modify_unit]?
20150626 20:27:44< Jake_1> but nearby a map edge it just kills them instead
20150626 20:28:01< Jake_1> I do not know, I am just comfortable with it I suppose.
20150626 20:28:26< c74d> (I don't know whether using [modify_unit] would fix your problem, though.)
20150626 20:29:55< Jake_1> I really don't feel like having a bunch of nested [if] tags so I was wondering if there is an easier way to just have them end up somewhere on the map instead of dieing.
20150626 20:33:11< Ravana_> find_vacant=yes wouldn't work?
20150626 20:33:33< Jake_1> No, it didn't.
20150626 20:34:26< Ravana_> going to check how core teleport macros work, one of those might be useful
20150626 20:35:04< Ravana_> however making sure location is valid would still be good idea
20150626 20:35:19< Ravana_> like steelhive knockback can currently move unit to unreachable place
20150626 20:35:46< Jake_1> oh, it can?
20150626 20:36:03< Jake_1> I am talking about a place outside the map's dimensions.
20150626 20:36:16< Jake_1> I am going to just [store_map_dimensions]
20150626 20:36:22< Jake_1> and do a check
20150626 20:36:28< Jake_1> to correct before placement
20150626 20:36:41< Ravana_> even then, just make sure that the hex unit would be moved in valid for him
20150626 20:37:27< Ravana_> if it pushes back multiple hexes then check if target can be reached from source too
20150626 20:38:24< Jake_1> Yeah I think find_vacant actually does its job in that respect though, just not when they are taken off of the map's x,y plane
20150626 20:38:46< Jake_1> It has been working well in those situations for this ability, anyway
20150626 20:38:58< Ravana_> find_vacant doesn't make sure that hex is reachable from source
20150626 20:39:48< zookeeper> if you only need to push units back by one hex then, as said, there ought to be plenty of knockback implementations around
20150626 20:40:31< Jake_1> it is three hexes
20150626 20:40:36< Jake_1> in various directions
20150626 20:41:30< Jake_1> https://dpaste.de/WT4s
20150626 20:41:37< Jake_1> This is how I am fixing it
20150626 20:41:59< Jake_1> the variable map is the map dimensions
20150626 20:42:09< Jake_1> and the variable guy is the stored unit
20150626 20:43:19< Jake_1> also I messed up that code, I fixed it
20150626 20:46:11< Jake_1> https://dpaste.de/wsfQ#L
20150626 20:47:14< Ravana_> in these cases | is not needed
20150626 20:49:38< Jake_1> Isn't it nicer though? :P
20150626 20:50:21< Jake_1> I like to keep a habit of always putting them because I often have variables on variables on variables
20150626 20:56:54< Jake_1> Thank you for the help.
20150626 20:58:45< celticminstrel> Steelhive has knockback?
20150626 21:05:49< Ravana_> ageless version of it does
20150626 21:07:11< celticminstrel> Why?
20150626 21:07:27< celticminstrel> (Assuming it was added by Ageless)
20150626 21:08:43< Ravana_> no idea, from before my time
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20150626 22:24:52< Yaiyan> Is anyone else having issues building the git version?
20150626 22:26:17< Yaiyan> Getting this error http://pastebin.com/1iV4q2Ur from make
20150626 22:26:58< shadowm> Compiler vendor and version?
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20150626 22:28:08< Yaiyan> Whatever the default would be on ubuntu 14.04 if I installed make
20150626 22:28:22< shadowm> Run `c++ --version`.
20150626 22:28:33< Yaiyan> 4.8.2
20150626 22:28:39< shadowm> (Make is not a compiler.)
20150626 22:28:59< Yaiyan> Yeah, but I presumed it would have a compiler as a dependency
20150626 22:29:02< shadowm> Immediate solution: pass -DENABLE_STRICT_COMPILATION=OFF to cmake and rebuild.
20150626 22:29:08< shadowm> No, make doesn't depend on compilers.
20150626 22:29:08< Yaiyan> Ok, cheers
20150626 22:29:16< Yaiyan> It doesn't?
20150626 22:29:22< shadowm> It doesn't.
20150626 22:29:28< Yaiyan> Oh, ok then
20150626 22:29:40< shadowm> cmake Recommends gcc, however, but it's not make.
20150626 22:29:52< shadowm> cmake also Depends on make.
20150626 22:30:07< shadowm> Well, no, actually, it just Recommends make too.
20150626 22:30:33< Yaiyan> Ah, til :)
20150626 22:30:45< Yaiyan> I must've installed gcc some other time then
20150626 22:31:29< shadowm> By default apt installs Recommends dependencies.
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20150626 22:34:05< shadowm> However, as you can see the fact is that cmake Recommends gcc, which is just a metapackage that pulls whatever the distribution's default gcc provider is. For example, on Debian jessie gcc depends on gcc-4.9. The version number (and vendor, though pretty much all Linux distributions use GCC) matter because, for example, I don't get these warnings with clang 3.4, and we apparently don't get them with gcc 4.8 either (?), which is what we ...
20150626 22:34:11< shadowm> ... use for CI.
20150626 22:35:09< Yaiyan> So it was just a warning, not an error?
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20150626 22:36:14< shadowm> Yes, warnings being treated as errors (-Werror switch).
20150626 22:36:36< Yaiyan> Right
20150626 22:36:43< Yaiyan> Yeah, it's working now, thanks
20150626 22:37:51< shadowm> Also, the reason make (not cmake) doesn't depend on a compiler is that it's just a build system, which can be used with anything that takes a source file and outputs a result.
20150626 22:38:34< Yaiyan> Yeah, that makes sense
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20150626 22:38:43< shadowm> Whereas cmake bundles macros that rely on a compiler's presence for running test programs and stuff.
20150626 22:43:41< shadowm> Okay, I do get the warning too.
20150626 22:44:03< shadowm> I suspct someone decided to disable it for that file (or all files) with scons specifically but not cmake.
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