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20150702 01:43:50< Oreolek> question: the tutorial's bugged, the dummy can move in front of the player and block the path to village - effectively glitching the tutorial altogether. How do I code dummy action in tutorial cfg? or just forbid a unit to move?
20150702 01:44:29< shadowm> vultraz_iOS: ^
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20150702 02:35:22< Oreolek> oh, found it
20150702 02:38:39< vultraz_iOS> Oreolek: the tutorial is a little broken at the moment
20150702 02:38:45< vultraz_iOS> I'll work on it for the next release
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20150702 02:59:17< Oreolek> okay, I'll help
20150702 02:59:28< Oreolek> question: what's the "project's standard abbreviations for campaigns"?
20150702 03:00:48< Oreolek> also, the third move is broken completely :-( Conrad has not enough moves to get to the keep in 1 turn
20150702 03:01:32< vultraz_iOS> Campaign initials
20150702 03:01:37< vultraz_iOS> Like HttT
20150702 03:01:42< vultraz_iOS> For Heir to the Thrine
20150702 03:01:45< vultraz_iOS> Throne
20150702 03:02:22< vultraz_iOS> Also, last I checked the tutorial was at least playable by following the instructions
20150702 03:02:31< vultraz_iOS> Oreolek: is that not the case?
20150702 03:03:06< Oreolek> nope, it's really difficult to play up to 3rd move and then it's unplayable
20150702 03:03:37< Oreolek> first, you don't know what village to get to. There are 3 of them and Conrad has moves only for one, on this river bank, not on the opposite
20150702 03:04:19< Oreolek> second, on the 3rd move you have to get from the village to the keep and Conrad needs only one more move - but you can't end the turn without moving him to the keep
20150702 03:05:16< vultraz_iOS> Huh
20150702 03:05:18< Oreolek> third, you can position your hero so wrong the dummy will block your way or you won't have the moves to get to any village, so you're stuck on the move 2
20150702 03:05:22< vultraz_iOS> It sounds like something got screwed up
20150702 03:05:33< vultraz_iOS> I will look into this
20150702 03:06:46< Oreolek> it's mostly the lack of clear guidelines (move HERE), partly lack of Russian translation (half the messages are English) and plain bad luck on bugs
20150702 03:07:31< Oreolek> the lack of guidelines relies on the text to describe what you need to do but the text can be partly unlocalized or badly localized
20150702 03:08:42< vultraz_iOS> That's because I rewrote a lot of it recently
20150702 03:08:58< Oreolek> i figured
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20150702 03:31:21< shadowm> Hm.
20150702 03:32:08< shadowm> The commit convention is "AcRoNym: Subject", not "[COMPONENT] Subject".
20150702 03:32:35< vultraz_iOS> Plus the PR in question doesn't really solve the problem I don't think
20150702 03:33:00< shadowm> A cursory glance at data/campaigns/tutorial's commit history suggests that the acronym used for that is just `T`.
20150702 03:33:22< shadowm> Because that honestly sucks, I've used `tutorial` instead.
20150702 03:35:54< shadowm> That's consistent with `gui2`, `gui`, `addon/mg`, `addon/info`, `gui2/tsomedialogname`, `display`, `font`, `wmllint`, `mp` etc. which I also use, but not `HttT`, `LoW`, `DM`, `TRoW`, etc.
20150702 03:36:57< shadowm> Ultimately people other than me don't give a crap about conventions here and we mostly have very badly redacted commits that don't speak highly of our writing skills.
20150702 03:37:10< shadowm> (looking at you, gfgtdf.)
20150702 03:38:52< shadowm> Some people believe code is more important than words but that's only because they really haven't ever had to figure out where some piece of undocumented code from 2004 comes from.
20150702 03:40:44< shadowm> Whereas I... well, I just *care* about people trying to figure out my changes years in the future: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/commit/9a381946433e259d2097b6d36e0ee81bc7ce05f3
20150702 03:48:34< pydsigner> shadowm: Now *that's* a commit message
20150702 03:53:36< ancestral> The commit message lines to code lines ratio is very large with this commit
20150702 04:00:29< pydsigner> The obviously correct way to do it is exemplified here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4114095/revert-to-a-previous-git-commit
20150702 04:01:04 * pydsigner does feel stupid for spending 10 minutes looking that back up
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20150702 04:42:00< Oreolek> just write that on wiki or something, the standards page doesn't name acronyms, just that they exist
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20150702 10:13:36< aquileia> pydsigner, shadowm: I added it (the acronym rule) to http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DeveloperGuide#Commit_messages , feel free to improve upon it
20150702 10:14:36< aquileia> Oreolek: ^
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20150702 13:40:26< pydsigner> aquileia isn't here now, but I'd note that the link doesn't directly go somewhere useful.
20150702 13:40:44< pydsigner> The glossary seems pretty broken as far as organization goes, to be honest.
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20150702 13:45:16< pydsigner> The actual wesnoth acronyms are at the end, separated from the campaign acronyms by a list of net acronyms that, especially now, are widely recognized, as well as by a list of slang terms for units.
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20150702 14:10:01< pydsigner> To rename a section to not rename a section... that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler to fix a poor heading, and in fixing break any links to that section...
20150702 14:10:14< pydsigner> * or not to rename
20150702 14:11:57< pydsigner> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/Glossary
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20150702 14:15:10< ancestral> pydsigner: Or just create redirect links
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20150702 14:15:54< pydsigner> ancestral: It's a page anchor, is it possible to make redirects for those?
20150702 14:15:59< ancestral> Hmm
20150702 14:16:06< pydsigner> I suppose it should be possible
20150702 14:16:11< ancestral> I may have misunderstood
20150702 14:16:26< ancestral> Honestly, my advice? Rename the section if it makes sense
20150702 14:16:36< ancestral> I doubt we’re hotlinking to specific sections within the wiki
20150702 14:16:53< ancestral> Worse case, if we are, it will just go to the main page
20150702 14:17:06< ancestral> sorry, top section of the page
20150702 14:19:17< pydsigner> Right, that's why I went ahead with it
20150702 14:23:06< pydsigner> Ok, adding an anchor for the old name, it'll work
20150702 14:28:07< pydsigner> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/DeveloperGuide#Commit_messages
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20150702 14:36:48< Ravana_> is there way to get list of all event ids currently included in scenario?
20150702 14:37:43< pydsigner> grep
20150702 14:38:33< Ravana_> meant with wml/lua
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20150702 15:14:09< Yaiyan> Are bugs with the git version assumed to be known, or should they be put in the tracker too?
20150702 15:22:59< pydsigner> Ravana_:  I think that you would have to wrap the event tag
20150702 15:23:08< pydsigner> And then just remember all the ids
20150702 15:24:03< Ravana_> I plan to add remove event command to my debug modification and getting list of available events directly would be more comfortable than having to check files
20150702 15:24:22< pydsigner> Ah
20150702 15:26:10< pydsigner> register_wml_action("event", function(cfg) add_to_id_stash(cfg.id) .... end)
20150702 15:27:07< pydsigner> I don't think that there is any way to directly access a list of events.
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20150702 18:20:05< shadowm> Yaiyan: They should be reported too.
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