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20150706 00:10:36< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#492 (master - e2f4077 : gfgtdf): The build is still failing.
20150706 00:10:36< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/69663199
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20150706 00:44:12< ancestral> shadowm: I have a build done, I need to upload it when I get home ~ 1 hr
20150706 00:44:17< ancestral> 1.13.1
20150706 00:45:38< shadowm> Okay.
20150706 00:45:42< ancestral> In other news, someone is having Windows installer issues: http://redd.it/3c8tro loonycyborg 
20150706 00:45:56< ancestral> (or whoever else)
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20150706 00:47:47< loonycyborg> probably just a broken download
20150706 00:48:00 * shadowm rolls eyes.
20150706 00:49:33< shadowm> The program tells you it might be a corrupted download and you don't even try redownloading? I mean, come on.
20150706 00:50:03< shadowm> Perhaps OP actually needs to see an occulist.
20150706 00:50:13< shadowm> *oculist
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20150706 01:12:28< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#493 (master - a2d5b87 : gfgtdf): The build is still failing.
20150706 01:12:28< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/69666109
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20150706 02:33:26< ancestral> Uploading 1.13.1 OS X in progress (382.3 MB)
20150706 02:34:03< shadowm> Is it going to be two packages like the last time or only one?
20150706 02:34:13< ancestral> I’m only making one
20150706 02:34:27< ancestral> If it doesn’t run, people can tell me and gather bug reports
20150706 02:34:32< ancestral> (So far no one has)
20150706 02:34:38< shadowm> And what versions is it supposed to run on?
20150706 02:34:41< ancestral> (Last time, except for mattsc)
20150706 02:34:57< ancestral> Well, Yosemite for sure. I built it targeted for 10.6+
20150706 02:35:08< ancestral> I just don’t have access to any other OSes
20150706 02:35:15< shadowm> You might want to be more open about it and ask people to report positive results too then.
20150706 02:35:33< ancestral> Yes, you’re right
20150706 02:35:38< shadowm> We're an OSS project. OSS audiences rarely bother with positive feedback.
20150706 02:36:02< shadowm> Unless someone points a gun at them.
20150706 02:36:19< ancestral> I’ll PM StandYourGround, I know he’s been having adventures with building, and I think he had issue with one or more binaries last time
20150706 02:37:10< ancestral> He was able to build using homebrew, but has unusual artifacts and graphical distortion. (Not sure how much is due to it being on El Capitan.)
20150706 02:39:21< ancestral> I’ll say this: to my knowledge, how 1.13.1 is built is no different to 1.12.x, except the pango library static objects
20150706 02:39:58< vultraz> Do we have anyone else on El Capitan?
20150706 02:40:29< shadowm> I wish the guy that reported the Windows sound issues would SEE MY PRIVATE MESSAGE and tested 1.12.4a. >:c
20150706 02:40:59< ancestral> vultraz: Good question
20150706 02:41:18< ancestral> Maybe crimson_penguin?
20150706 02:41:30< crimson_penguin> Not me
20150706 02:41:47< shadowm> I can be the captain.
20150706 02:41:48< ancestral> I have a key but I don’t want to jump to it yet
20150706 02:42:30< ancestral> ¡O El Capitan, Mi El Capitan!
20150706 02:42:39< ancestral> missed some accents
20150706 02:42:47< ancestral> Apple chose to drop the accents
20150706 02:42:51< shadowm> You also missed a lot of grammar.
20150706 02:43:09< ancestral> Walt Whitman, anyone?
20150706 02:43:23< shadowm> I didn't thin Apple chose anything, I just thought that the city or location name was usually written without them.
20150706 02:43:26< shadowm> *think
20150706 02:43:30< ancestral> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Captain!_My_Captain!
20150706 02:43:52< ancestral> shadowm: I believe you are correct
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20150706 02:45:10< ancestral> Well, if any Mac users are here and don’t mind spending time downloading 1.13.1, please do
20150706 02:45:23< ancestral> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.13.1/Wesnoth_1.13.1.dmg/download
20150706 02:45:27< shadowm> As an outsider, I believe that using location names was a misguided decision and they should've stuck with big cats or maybe switch to canids.
20150706 02:45:41< ancestral> They ran out of cats
20150706 02:45:51< ancestral> Maybe Lynx or Ocelot
20150706 02:46:19< ancestral> Reminds me of the O’Reilly books
20150706 02:46:28< ancestral> And all the animals that grace their covers
20150706 02:49:27< Yaiyan> Lemme grab my macbook
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20150706 02:49:43< ancestral> Yaiyan: Oh, thanks!
20150706 02:49:52< ancestral> I appreciate it
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20150706 02:50:09< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#494 (master - aad3e0e : gfgtdf): The build was fixed.
20150706 02:50:09< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/69671305
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20150706 02:50:56< StandYourGround> ancestral: downloading your sourceforge build
20150706 02:51:04< ancestral> StandYourGround: Thanks!
20150706 02:51:06< shadowm> Well, clearly the world sucks if we have only about 10 big cats.
20150706 02:51:44< StandYourGround> does it contain newer code than 1.13.1+dev (23d4367-Clean)?
20150706 02:52:06< ancestral> shadowm: Good thing Dave didn’t use cats as code names for Wesnoth
20150706 02:52:08< shadowm> Espreon would probably have switched to Mac if they had named a release "Caracal".
20150706 02:52:21< shadowm> But I guess it doesn't count as a big cat.
20150706 02:52:27< ancestral> StandYourGround: No
20150706 02:52:37< ancestral> What’s odd is I used the tagged version 1.13
20150706 02:52:41< StandYourGround> I’m doubtful it will work…  and give me a moment…
20150706 02:52:46< ancestral> But the window says 1.13.1+dev
20150706 02:52:59< shadowm> ancestral: That means you didn't use the tagged version.
20150706 02:53:07< ancestral> But we went over this I thought
20150706 02:53:09< StandYourGround> might be for the best
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20150706 02:53:18< ancestral> git describe said I was on 1.13
20150706 02:53:22< ancestral> er 1.13.1
20150706 02:53:49< shadowm> But your IDE might have had mis-cached objects or something.
20150706 02:53:59< ancestral> Certainly possible
20150706 02:54:09< StandYourGround> sourceforge Wesnoth is launching...
20150706 02:54:15< StandYourGround> working on it
20150706 02:54:25< shadowm> If you check the commit that 1.13.1 points to, you'll notice that src/wesconfig.h's VERSION macro has "1.13.1" as its value for that commit, not "1.13.1+dev".
20150706 02:54:28< ancestral> I feel like SF is getting slower
20150706 02:54:34< StandYourGround> the mirrors sucked
20150706 02:54:42< StandYourGround> but for some reason, the direct link was super fast
20150706 02:55:16< ancestral> I can certainly rebuild
20150706 02:55:19< shadowm> Anyway, I didn't see any actual engine changes between 1.13.1 and the date and time when you were building it (barring my related commit), so it should be safe.
20150706 02:55:34 * ancestral nods
20150706 02:55:39< shadowm> People will just wonder why it says '+dev'.
20150706 02:55:44 * Yaiyan hates the unidentified developer message every single app gives -_-
20150706 02:55:46< shadowm> Oh, yeah, actually, there is a nasty side effect.
20150706 02:55:48< StandYourGround> does the homebrew build use different data folder locations?
20150706 02:55:54< ancestral> Yaiyan: I know how to fix that
20150706 02:55:55< shadowm> They won't be able to join the development MP server.
20150706 02:56:04< shadowm> I forgot that little detail.
20150706 02:56:24< StandYourGround> because I would have expected the sourceforge build to have launched already if the homebrew build already did the initial caching work
20150706 02:56:32< ancestral> Someone on the team needs to get a developer account and spend $99
20150706 02:56:41< StandYourGround> I have a developer account
20150706 02:56:44< StandYourGround> and I never paid
20150706 02:56:46< Yaiyan> Bleh, it's not launching, just bouncing on the menubar
20150706 02:56:59< ancestral> To get an ID you need a dev account
20150706 02:57:04< ancestral> A paid membership
20150706 02:57:25< StandYourGround> I have full seed access to all the software for Mac, iOS, and even Windows
20150706 02:57:32< ancestral> I’ve noticed the first launch takes longer than expected
20150706 02:57:32< StandYourGround> so I think I probably have the ID thing
20150706 02:57:54< StandYourGround> and you didn’t see me say anything *Madagascar penguin voice*
20150706 02:58:06< Yaiyan> How long's longer than expected...
20150706 02:58:15< StandYourGround> like, this is my third force quit
20150706 02:58:23< StandYourGround> the homebrew build was snappy on cold launch
20150706 02:58:27< Yaiyan> Launching it from the command line instead :/
20150706 02:58:28< StandYourGround> like no wait
20150706 02:58:38< ancestral> Guys
20150706 02:58:39< StandYourGround> wait, the blinking stopped
20150706 02:58:43< StandYourGround> making progress
20150706 02:58:48< ancestral> I’d appreciate if you would try launching the first time and waiting
20150706 02:59:14< StandYourGround> From experience, I have leanred that wesnoth gets hung up somewhere in the first launch process
20150706 02:59:21< Yaiyan> Oh
20150706 02:59:23< Yaiyan> Launching now
20150706 02:59:29< ancestral> I may be jaded with my SSD
20150706 02:59:30< StandYourGround> and force quitting and starting over seems to make it start over where it left off
20150706 02:59:38< ancestral> That could be
20150706 02:59:44< Yaiyan> I have an SSD too, still took a few minutes
20150706 02:59:47< ancestral> I wish I could tell you what it’s doing, but
20150706 02:59:54< ancestral> To my knowledge, it’s a one time wait
20150706 03:00:03< StandYourGround> kinda like if you force quit safari and start over two web pages back from werre you left.
20150706 03:00:12< StandYourGround> and look at that!  Crash on launch
20150706 03:00:22< ancestral> Perhaps it’s looking for cache and support files, though I defer to devs smarter tha me
20150706 03:00:35< StandYourGround> thr homebrew build should have made those already
20150706 03:00:49< StandYourGround> and even it didn’t take long at all on cold
20150706 03:00:49< ancestral> StandYourGround: Try this if you don’t mind
20150706 03:00:50< Yaiyan> Has some issues with window resizing
20150706 03:00:54< StandYourGround> something about the Xcode builds
20150706 03:00:54< Yaiyan> I think that's on SDL's end though
20150706 03:01:07< ancestral> Yaiyan: manually resize it and it will correct itself
20150706 03:01:09< StandYourGround> I’m serious, Wesnoth was instant launch cold from homebrew
20150706 03:01:11< shadowm> Wesnoth reads a very small set of files before setting up video, input devices, and the loading screen.
20150706 03:01:43< ancestral> StandYourGround: go to /usr/local/Cellar/pango/
20150706 03:01:44< shadowm> I don't know if OS X caches the contents of a .dmg somewhere?
20150706 03:01:56< StandYourGround> ancestral:  In the new OS X, it is possible to force Wesnoth to use system native fullscreen
20150706 03:01:58< StandYourGround> and it works
20150706 03:01:59< StandYourGround> awesome
20150706 03:02:06< ancestral> Hmm
20150706 03:02:14< ancestral> Yes, I know full screen also fixes the issue
20150706 03:02:26< StandYourGround> no, I mean, full Mission Control compatibility
20150706 03:02:32< StandYourGround> swipe to change spaces and everything
20150706 03:02:44< StandYourGround> and no coe changes
20150706 03:02:49< Yaiyan> Desktop window, fullscreen you mean?
20150706 03:02:49< StandYourGround> and wesnoth still think it’s windowed
20150706 03:02:52< StandYourGround> yep
20150706 03:02:57< StandYourGround> no
20150706 03:03:05< StandYourGround> well depending on definition
20150706 03:03:06< ancestral> StandYourGround: /usr/local/Cellar/pango/x.x.x/
20150706 03:03:18< Yaiyan> Probably not then
20150706 03:03:25< StandYourGround> hang on
20150706 03:03:28< shadowm> What I mean by this is that it shouldn't take long to read the files required before the loading screen first appears, unless your storage medium is really crummy.
20150706 03:03:37< StandYourGround> brand new hybrid drive
20150706 03:03:38< shadowm> 5 seconds, tops.
20150706 03:03:59< ancestral>  /usr/local/Cellar/pango/x.x.x/lib/pango/1.8.0/
20150706 03:04:18< Yaiyan> Are there any flags to get wesnoth to dump what it's doing during loadup somewhere?
20150706 03:04:24< ancestral> Yes
20150706 03:04:57< ancestral> If you run Wesnoth from the command line you add a flag
20150706 03:05:59< ancestral> StandYourGround: Copy that folder to 1.13.1’s Wesnoth.app/Contents/Resources/pango
20150706 03:06:09< ancestral> And relaunch. Very curious if that works
20150706 03:06:13< StandYourGround> ok hold on a moment
20150706 03:06:15< ancestral> Yaiyan: Did yours crash?
20150706 03:06:32< Yaiyan> ancestral, nah, just took 3 or 4 minutes for first load
20150706 03:06:39< ancestral> Okay, but it does run?
20150706 03:06:42< StandYourGround> copying wesnoth to desktop to remove the disk image from the equation
20150706 03:06:42< Yaiyan> The activity monitor showed it as not responding though
20150706 03:06:43< Yaiyan> yeah
20150706 03:06:47< ancestral> Excellent
20150706 03:06:54< ancestral> What version of OS X do you have?
20150706 03:06:55< StandYourGround> but first for your pleasure:  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/963452/Pictures/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-05%20at%2010.05.41%20PM.png
20150706 03:07:00< StandYourGround> it’s a secret
20150706 03:07:00< Yaiyan> Yosemite
20150706 03:07:03< StandYourGround> Apple might be watching
20150706 03:07:05< StandYourGround> :P
20150706 03:07:09< Yaiyan> Macbook Air from 3 years ago
20150706 03:07:11< StandYourGround> Bless me Apple for I have sinned
20150706 03:07:32< ancestral> Eh it’ll be a public beta soon enough
20150706 03:07:37< StandYourGround> yeah but not yet
20150706 03:07:45< StandYourGround> anyways, want to learn how the trick works?
20150706 03:07:48< ancestral> Yaiyan: Okay, thanks
20150706 03:07:52< vultraz> Is the os x installer still using that old bg?
20150706 03:07:59< StandYourGround> bg?
20150706 03:08:00< Yaiyan> What does Wesnoth do on first launch up?
20150706 03:08:05< ancestral> Background
20150706 03:08:08< vultraz> background
20150706 03:08:13< StandYourGround> in the installer process?
20150706 03:08:20< ancestral> vultraz: I’m happy to use something else
20150706 03:08:20< StandYourGround> it’s a drab grey if I recall
20150706 03:08:27< Yaiyan> Moving the ~/Library/Application Support/Wesnoth_1.13 doesn't cause it to slow down again
20150706 03:08:31< vultraz> ancestral: why not the new map
20150706 03:08:35< shadowm> Yaiyan: It creates the preferences file and a few empty directories.
20150706 03:08:38< ancestral> Sure
20150706 03:08:49< StandYourGround> see the screenshot I linked?
20150706 03:08:52< ancestral> vultraz: I guess I could whip something up
20150706 03:09:18< ancestral> Yaiyan: I’m not sure what it does the first time. mattsc might know?
20150706 03:09:22< shadowm> Actually, it doesn't even create the preferences file until you mess with the rpeferences.
20150706 03:09:32< ancestral> Aside from the other devs
20150706 03:09:46< Yaiyan> shadowm, so what would be the difference between launching for the first time, and launching without that folder there?
20150706 03:09:50< StandYourGround> wow… homebrew has pango 1.3,8 or something
20150706 03:09:52< StandYourGround> this is 1.8...
20150706 03:10:00< ancestral> No that’s correct
20150706 03:10:03< ancestral> Inside that folder
20150706 03:10:05< shadowm> Here's what Wesnoth creates when launched the first time on Linux: http://pastebin.com/PJ78eDEq
20150706 03:10:10< ancestral> I’m not sure how that versioning works
20150706 03:10:24< shadowm> 0 bytes total.
20150706 03:10:53< StandYourGround> ancestral:  Want to learn how I trick Wesnoth into Mac-fullscreen?
20150706 03:10:53< shadowm> Oh wait, I have --nocache.
20150706 03:11:05< ancestral> StandYourGround: I press command+F myself
20150706 03:11:06< ancestral> :-P
20150706 03:11:10< shadowm> But if cache was an issue you'd see the loading screen bar.
20150706 03:11:13< StandYourGround> I mean, not SDL fullscreen
20150706 03:11:17< StandYourGround> Wesnoth think it’s windowed
20150706 03:11:27< StandYourGround> but OS X uses it like a fullscreen app
20150706 03:11:40< StandYourGround> like the screenshot I posted
20150706 03:11:47< shadowm> With cache it's 312 KiB in 8 dirs and 5 files.
20150706 03:11:59< StandYourGround> Okay, I got wesnoth launch with the custom pango
20150706 03:12:13< StandYourGround> want to see how pretty it is?
20150706 03:12:30< StandYourGround> uploading...
20150706 03:12:33< ancestral> StandYourGround: http://img42.com/zpZ7d
20150706 03:12:40< ancestral> Take that folder
20150706 03:12:52< ancestral> Put it in Wesnoth.app’s pango folder
20150706 03:12:53< StandYourGround> oh ok
20150706 03:12:57< ancestral> Then re-run it
20150706 03:12:58< StandYourGround> but first… https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/963452/Pictures/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-05%20at%2010.11.48%20PM.png
20150706 03:13:14< ancestral> Eeks
20150706 03:13:56< StandYourGround> that fixed the text
20150706 03:13:59< StandYourGround> graphics still suck
20150706 03:14:03< ancestral> Okay
20150706 03:14:18< ancestral> In my build?
20150706 03:14:24< StandYourGround> yes
20150706 03:14:26< ancestral> Okay
20150706 03:14:30< StandYourGround> eww… I think it’s substituing Apple’s San Fransisco font
20150706 03:14:35< StandYourGround> the new El Cap font
20150706 03:14:45< ancestral> That could be
20150706 03:15:01< ancestral> That’s a known issue, where it’s taking the system font
20150706 03:15:05< StandYourGround> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/963452/Pictures/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-05%20at%2010.14.40%20PM.png
20150706 03:15:15< ancestral> No
20150706 03:15:19< ancestral> That’s just Helvetica
20150706 03:15:23< shadowm> ancestral: Re MP server, people on your build will not be able to join the 1.13.1 MP server and will get automatically redirected to the trunk MP server. UNLESS they use the Multiplayer → Connect to Server option to specify a custom address, and use wesnoth.org:14997 there.
20150706 03:15:29< StandYourGround> I’ve lost my ability to tell
20150706 03:15:29< Yaiyan> ancestral, manually resizing the window doesn't fix the issues
20150706 03:15:48< shadowm> (Or server.wesnoth.org:14997 if you want a canonical hostname.)
20150706 03:15:54< StandYourGround> so… is anyone interested in how to make Mac native wesnoth fullscreen work?
20150706 03:16:08< StandYourGround> as opposed to SDL fullscreen
20150706 03:16:25< ancestral> Sure, explain
20150706 03:16:32< shadowm> (Actually, stick to the canonical hostname, since there's no guarantee we won't have to move the MP server somewhere else tomorrow or any other day.)
20150706 03:16:47< StandYourGround> eww… this is 1.13 sdl fullscreen
20150706 03:16:48< StandYourGround> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/963452/Pictures/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-05%20at%2010.16.16%20PM.png
20150706 03:17:10< ancestral> Yaiyan: Really?
20150706 03:17:14< ancestral> Do you have a screenshot?
20150706 03:17:15< StandYourGround> anyways, to use Wesnoth in El Cap fullscreen, first use the green button trick on a window that already supports it, like Safari
20150706 03:17:18< Yaiyan> Yeah, screen goes completely grey
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20150706 03:17:28< StandYourGround> give Safari one half of the screen, and choose wesnoth for the other
20150706 03:17:31< StandYourGround> so, dual pane
20150706 03:17:32< ancestral> If you quit and relaunch, does that make a difference?
20150706 03:17:32< Yaiyan> Hmm, sort of fixed itself now...sort of
20150706 03:17:35< StandYourGround> then restore Safari
20150706 03:17:45< ancestral> noy: Hi, are you running on a Mac these days?
20150706 03:17:55< StandYourGround> now, Wesnoth is fullscreen, but with a black bar where the menu bar belongs
20150706 03:18:07< StandYourGround> and it tends to white out, which F5 fixes
20150706 03:18:08< noy> yep
20150706 03:18:10< Yaiyan> Going into fullscreen forgets the resolution I set too
20150706 03:18:19< ancestral> noy: What version of OS X are you on?
20150706 03:18:29< StandYourGround> to get the full experience, you need to trigger a system screen refresh
20150706 03:18:31< noy> problems with wesnoth? I’m on yosemite]
20150706 03:18:40< ancestral> Yaiyan: There are some things you have to choose in the preferences for the display resolution
20150706 03:18:42< StandYourGround> so OS X resizes Wesnoth to take up the full screen
20150706 03:18:49< noy> 10.10.3 
20150706 03:18:52< Yaiyan> ancestral, i.imgur.com/nc0ZAQ9.jpg
20150706 03:18:53< ancestral> Okay
20150706 03:18:59< StandYourGround> my method is to plug in my external display briefly
20150706 03:19:07< Yaiyan> It was a pure grey display before, but I just resized the window and got that issues in the lower left
20150706 03:19:07< StandYourGround> now you have full screen wesnoth
20150706 03:19:20< pydsigner> StandYourGround: Nice
20150706 03:19:23< Yaiyan> Yeah, I set 1336x768 in the preferences, then ctrl+f and it went back to 800x600
20150706 03:19:32< StandYourGround> and once you start actually playing or watching a game, it is pretty much seamless when invoking Mission Control
20150706 03:19:38< StandYourGround> or swiping between spaces
20150706 03:19:47< ancestral> Yaiyan: Wesnoth keeps the prefs for the windowed version separate from the fullscreen IIRC
20150706 03:20:20< ancestral> noy: It appears Yosemite is working fine. El Cap has some issues, I haven’t gotten anyone yet with 10.9 or older
20150706 03:20:25< Yaiyan> Oh, fair enough then
20150706 03:20:26< ancestral> (1.13.1)
20150706 03:20:42< noy> hm
20150706 03:21:18< ancestral> Yaiyan: So what we did was automatically assign 800 x 600 on first launch if no pref file exists to play it safe as a workaround for this bug. If you have a large dock and a small resolution potentially you could still encounter it
20150706 03:21:31< ancestral> Resizing fixes the issue
20150706 03:21:47< ancestral> Still, that editor looks pretty bad
20150706 03:21:51< Yaiyan> Yeah, just checked with my pc, which has the same behaviour on linux
20150706 03:21:51< StandYourGround> ancestral:  thanks for the SF build, but I’m going to just stick with homebrew for now
20150706 03:21:53< noy> that sucks
20150706 03:21:57< Yaiyan> That was from manually resizing the window
20150706 03:22:08< noy> let me know how it goes
20150706 03:22:09< StandYourGround> and if there is ever a git commit that claims to fix the graphics problems, let me know
20150706 03:22:14< StandYourGround> and I’ll update wesnoth in homebrew
20150706 03:22:20< Yaiyan> Resizing works fine now, interestingly
20150706 03:22:32< ancestral> StandYourGround: Of course, I’m with you on that. I just wanted to see what my binary looks like in El Cap
20150706 03:22:34< ancestral> :)
20150706 03:22:42< StandYourGround> and for my “daily driver” wesnoth, it’s going to have to be 1.12
20150706 03:22:43< ancestral> Yaiyan: I think that’s an upstream issue
20150706 03:22:48< StandYourGround> because that works in El Cap
20150706 03:22:51< StandYourGround> strangely enough
20150706 03:23:01< ancestral> Regardless, it makes sense that happens on resizing
20150706 03:23:23< ancestral> It looks like resizing it smaller makes a difference
20150706 03:23:27< ancestral> Fixes it always?
20150706 03:24:25< ancestral> StandYourGround: Still trying to figure out the cairo/pango/fontconfig issues. That should *hopefully* make it playable for El Cap
20150706 03:24:37< StandYourGround> the fonts are fine
20150706 03:24:41< StandYourGround> it’s the graphics that suck
20150706 03:24:45< ancestral> Right
20150706 03:24:46< StandYourGround> I can live with Helvetica
20150706 03:24:55< Yaiyan> ancestral, wouldn't surprise me
20150706 03:25:05< StandYourGround> but 1.12 is still spotless
20150706 03:25:11< shadowm> I can't have you live with Helvetica because that bug breaks one of my features.
20150706 03:25:11< StandYourGround> something was changed in 1.13
20150706 03:25:19< ancestral> Yes, the frameworks/libraries
20150706 03:25:34< StandYourGround> helvetica isn’t the deal breaker though
20150706 03:25:45< ancestral> No, but it hints at a larger problem
20150706 03:26:06< ancestral> StandYourGround, Yaiyan: Thank you for your help
20150706 03:26:08< shadowm> http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/wesnoth-1.13.1-4.jpg  I introduced support for monospace fonts in 1.13.1 and it doesn't work on OS X as it is because of the same damn bug.
20150706 03:26:11< StandYourGround> this is:  (wait for upload to finish) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/963452/Pictures/Screen%20Shot%202015-07-05%20at%2010.25.47%20PM.png
20150706 03:27:05< ancestral> Probably an SDL framework thing
20150706 03:27:28< StandYourGround> is there a way to homebrew an older version and rebuild 1.13?
20150706 03:27:44< StandYourGround> or maybe copy the older version from 1.12
20150706 03:27:50< StandYourGround> into the Cellar
20150706 03:27:58< ancestral> When I tried Wesnoth crashed
20150706 03:28:08< StandYourGround> I mean pre-build
20150706 03:28:20< StandYourGround> and then build wesnoth with the older sdl
20150706 03:28:28< StandYourGround> not just copy in
20150706 03:28:31< StandYourGround> just in case
20150706 03:28:40< ancestral> Yes, and I get crash-to-desktop upon launching
20150706 03:28:47< StandYourGround> oh ok
20150706 03:28:49< StandYourGround> fair enough
20150706 03:28:54< StandYourGround> maybe a different framework then
20150706 03:28:56< ancestral> Between Cairo, Pango, Fontconfig, SDL and maybe something else, there was a version bump up from 1.12 and 1.13
20150706 03:29:22< StandYourGround> if you find it let me know
20150706 03:29:33< StandYourGround> I really should hit the sack now
20150706 03:29:35< StandYourGround> been fun
20150706 03:29:38< ancestral> Great
20150706 03:29:41< StandYourGround> nice to see you actually online
20150706 03:29:43< ancestral> I’ll keep you posted
20150706 03:29:45< ancestral> Same here
20150706 03:30:11< StandYourGround> ttyl
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20150706 03:31:19< ancestral> I’ll PM mattsc to see if he can run my binary
20150706 03:31:37< ancestral> Then we can see if it works on 10.9
20150706 03:36:24< Yaiyan> Gotta say, I miss the old threatening message not to ask for binaries in the release threads
20150706 03:59:10< shadowm> I don't like scaring away newcomers.
20150706 03:59:41< shadowm> Plus, until very recently, the Apple OS X and Windows builds were always ready in time for announcing.
20150706 04:00:36< shadowm> (Sans exceptions I probably never heard of since it wasn't my job to track the overall release status then.)
20150706 04:01:53< shadowm> So that predictability rendered the warning pointless.
20150706 04:02:34< shadowm> I'd also never, ever ban someone just for asking an inoffensive question.
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20150706 17:52:26< ancestral> shadowm: My binary fails for mattsc
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20150706 19:52:56< shadowm> Sigh.
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20150706 20:37:42< shadowm> ancestral: Has anyone on the same OS version as mattsc tested it?
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20150706 20:38:00< shadowm> That is to rule out something special about mattsc's configuration.
20150706 20:38:28< shadowm> OS configuration, that is.
20150706 20:38:35< shadowm> Has he made sure to test with a clean Wesnoth user config+data dir as well?
20150706 20:39:38< shadowm> I can't really help you with this other than asking relevant questions in an attempt to treat Mac computers like machines and not magic black boxes of non-deterministic behavior.
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20150706 21:26:58< irker896> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 70a83bafe878 / src/config.hpp: add -, + and [] to child config iterators. http://git.io/vqldA
20150706 21:26:58< irker896> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master fc220fee266e / src/ (scripting/game_lua_kernel.cpp scripting/push_check.hpp unit.cpp unit.hpp): make units advancements modifyable in lua. http://git.io/vqldx
20150706 21:26:59< irker896> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 86809349b504 / src/game_events/menu_item.cpp: fix unsynced wml menu items http://git.io/vqldp
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20150706 21:47:58< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/69795112
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20150706 23:26:33< irker896> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth:1.12 88536b42de0f / src/ (floating_point_emulation.hpp sdl_utils.cpp): Fixes compilation of abs for C++11. http://git.io/vq8R0
20150706 23:26:35< irker896> wesnoth: Chris Beck wesnoth:1.12 d881c7edbab0 / src/lua/SConscript: scons: silence clang-specific "pointer-bool" warning in lua source http://git.io/vq8RE
20150706 23:26:37< irker896> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 8e60f2c44a4a / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/vq8Ru
20150706 23:26:45< shadowm> (These two double as fixes for building with clang 3.6. They were already in master.)
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20150706 23:42:36< irker896> wesnoth: Mark de Wever wesnoth:1.12 1d1188fff388 / src/windows_tray_notification.cpp: Properly memset a variable. http://git.io/vq8gA
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