--- Log opened Wed Jul 08 00:00:39 2015
20150708 00:00:53< shadowm> I run Debian on my desktop and that's where I normally build Wesnoth, but the version of Debian I'm running only has Boost 1.55.
20150708 00:01:38< gfgtdf> shadowm: so the "The build aborts long before getting there, but I just tried building it individually and it works." is about boost 1.55 ?
20150708 00:01:44< shadowm> I only came across the same issue as vultraz because I build Wesnoth on a Windows 8.1 VM from time to time using CodeBlocks.
20150708 00:02:06< shadowm> Our CodeBlocks SDK uses Boost 1.57, ergo, failed build.
20150708 00:03:26< shadowm> tl;dr it's fine on Boost 1.55 and whatever version travis uses.
20150708 00:05:04< gfgtdf> shadowm: hmm ok i'll commit it (= using random access iteraot tag + adding oeprator +=) if it compiled for me locally.
20150708 00:05:16< gfgtdf> shadowm: even if it doens not fix teh bugs it is an imporovement
20150708 00:05:38< gfgtdf> shadowm: becasue it opimizes std::advance on config iterators
20150708 00:06:04< gfgtdf> shadowm: problem it is takes a  while to compile.
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20150708 00:18:07< shadowm> ancestral: I will edit the announcement post but you must post a reply pointing out all the gotchas first, inclduing the fact that people can't join the correct MP server with the default address because it's not actually 1.13.1.
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20150708 00:28:38< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok build successful
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20150708 00:46:47< shadowm> gfgtdf: So whn will it be my turn to test?
20150708 00:47:02< gfgtdf> shadowm: you have boost 1.57 ?
20150708 00:47:36< shadowm> :|
20150708 00:47:43< shadowm> Did you read any of what I said above?
20150708 00:48:07< shadowm> Yes, I do have Boost 1.57 on my Windows VM.
20150708 00:49:13< gfgtdf> shadowm: yes, but i thought you normally use boost 1.55
20150708 00:50:02< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok i that the commit there but i have to fixup some other (unrelated) commits first.
20150708 00:50:30< gfgtdf> shadowm: is 'seperately' a good word ? my grammar check does not like it.
20150708 00:50:46< Ravana_> I posted the idea to put yellow to team color 6 to forum
20150708 00:51:00< shadowm> gfgtdf: I said I use Boost 1.55 on the host, Boost 1.57 on the VM.
20150708 00:51:13< shadowm> "separately" is the correct spelling.
20150708 00:52:50< gfgtdf> shadowm: and 'sended' ?
20150708 00:52:57< shadowm> "sent"
20150708 00:53:36< gfgtdf> shadowm: and 'automaticly' ?
20150708 00:53:48< shadowm> "automatically"
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20150708 00:59:31< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok ty
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20150708 01:03:18< irker644> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 3b01d925471e / src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): refactor random seed server choices http://git.io/vqgzs
20150708 01:03:18< irker644> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 2d80c97b1359 / src/ (server/game.cpp server/game.hpp team.cpp): use synced choices for controller changes by wml http://git.io/vqgzG
20150708 01:03:19< irker644> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 2e05fd399216 / src/config.hpp: make config child_iterator a random access iterator http://git.io/vqgzZ
20150708 01:03:45< gfgtdf> shadowm: please test teh latest commit ^ on boost 1.57
20150708 01:04:33< gfgtdf> shadowm: also the server need to be rebuild becasue of the other commit.
20150708 01:05:03< shadowm> Building...
20150708 01:05:56< shadowm> For the server I have to wait for another hour.
20150708 01:11:44< shadowm> gfgtdf: Build succeeded with no errors or warnings, thanks.
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20150708 01:30:01< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok
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20150708 01:42:25< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#6735 (master - 2e05fd3 : gfgtdf): The build passed.
20150708 01:42:25< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/69993026
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20150708 02:38:09< shadowm> gfgtdf: Just rebuilt and restarted the trunk server.
20150708 02:44:45< gfgtdf> shadowm: ok ty
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20150708 03:53:00< shadowm> AI0867_: WESCAMP
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20150708 06:12:20< vultraz> shadowm: is it ok to remove the ai/aliases/stable_singleplayer.cfg inclusions from campaigns?
20150708 06:12:34< vultraz> I can't remember if you're supposed to use that anymore or not
20150708 06:13:01< shadowm> Ask mattsc, I have no idea (and I think the last time I asked him the answer was negative, otherwise I'd have dropped them from AtS).
20150708 06:14:37< vultraz> ai_default_rca...if it's default, imo it should be default then...but yeah I'll ask
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20150708 06:28:49< vultraz> good god the utbs code is complicated
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20150708 12:59:38< pydsigner> vultraz: Told you :P
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20150708 13:01:20< irker557> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 3dc1cd55ab0a / src/tod_manager.cpp: Add a comment http://git.io/vqV4e
20150708 13:09:43< irker557> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master ce8ef64191f6 / src/playturn_network_adapter.cpp: remove a comment http://git.io/vqV0o
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20150708 14:16:55< mattsc> vultraz: the answer is (as almost always): it depends
20150708 14:17:48< mattsc> stable_singleplayer.cfg sets up the default CAs.  If no other AI engine is defined, this is also done by default without a need to include it.
20150708 14:19:08< mattsc> However, if, for example, a Lua engine is defined for that side in an [ai] tag and you want the default CAs in addition to that, you need to include them manually.
20150708 14:20:58< mattsc> Btw, it’s easy to test whether it the default CAs are there with :inspect -> team -> ai component structure  (or just let the AI play through a turn)
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20150708 14:49:25< mattsc> Hi ancestral
20150708 14:49:34< ancestral> Hey there
20150708 14:50:17< mattsc> I’ve been thinking (which is hard for me to do these days) …  :P
20150708 14:51:23< mattsc> I could upload my pango libs to the Mac Compile Stuff directory on SF, and we could specifically ask on the forum if somebody out there has OS X 10.8 or 10.9 and could test your build first, then test it again with my pango libraries.
20150708 14:51:34< ancestral> brb
20150708 14:52:01< mattsc> That would determine if it is a version incompatibility or something with my system specifically.
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20150708 14:53:29< ancestral> mattsc: are you thinking your libs work with older versions?
20150708 14:54:00< mattsc> I’d assume they work on 10.8 and 10.9.  I know they don’t work on 10.6.  Not sure about 10.7.
20150708 14:55:45< mattsc> In any case, at the end of the month, I’ll have access to 10.5, 10.6, 10.9 and 10.10 computers.  The former three all have some problems, but I can make them work well enough for some cross-version testing.
20150708 14:56:11< ancestral> Okay
20150708 14:56:49< mattsc> So I am planning to do that then, and I will try to build pango libraries that work from 10.6 to 10.10.  (No guarantee that I know enough for succeeding, but I’ll give it a shot at least)
20150708 14:58:04< ancestral> Yeah, that would be ideal; secondary, if we get versions for each, then load them conditionally
20150708 14:58:04< mattsc> I’ll do that on macports, not homebrew, just because I know Macports, but once we figure out the principles, it should be easy enough to apply that to the homebrew builds as well.
20150708 14:58:04< mattsc> I hope.
20150708 14:58:24< ancestral> Rock on
20150708 14:58:25< ancestral> I appreciate your help
20150708 14:58:44< mattsc> Thanks.  And ditto.
20150708 14:59:01< ancestral> I have work in a couple minutes here, so I’ll need to sign off
20150708 14:59:20< mattsc> Take care.  I still won’t be on IRC a lot by default, but I can be “summoned” quite easily for the next month or so.
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20150708 15:12:41< zookeeper> set_no_flag=beach-@R0-[@R5,@R1]
20150708 15:12:54< zookeeper> wtf are those brackets for... i don't recall ever writing that, but i did
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20150708 16:43:41< zookeeper> eh. how do i list all possible command-line parameters? wesnoth --help didn't do anything
20150708 16:46:17< zookeeper> ohh, it shoves them to stdout
20150708 16:46:19< zookeeper> nevermind
20150708 16:59:38< zookeeper> anyone have any educated guesses as to whether there's a practical limit to the amount of terrain rules the game can handle? i could make my new water transitions "perfect", but it requires a huge amount of rules (not images, though, since practically everything works through IPF's). i think something like 17 frames x 12 tiles x 24 transition directions x 6 (3 deep, 3 shallow) == 30k 
20150708 16:59:38< zookeeper> individual rules (rotations etc taken into account)
20150708 17:02:00< pydsigner> Off the top of my head, that's a lot.
20150708 17:02:07< zookeeper> although i might be calculating that completely wrong
20150708 17:02:28< zookeeper> it does sound too much to be true
20150708 17:03:05< pydsigner> Does each set need a specific rule?
20150708 17:03:39< zookeeper> i don't know what you mean by set, but i'm minimizing it at much as possible
20150708 17:04:01< pydsigner> s/set/frame set/
20150708 17:04:08< zookeeper> oh, maybe i shouldn't multiply by the number of frames at all, since maybe those are handled somehow intelligently
20150708 17:04:23< zookeeper> or rather, surely they are
20150708 17:04:44< zookeeper> so we might just be somewhere under 2k rules after all
20150708 17:10:11< zookeeper> the large number comes from doing nice blends between different types of water. like, when blending between deep tropical to gray shallow, i'd draw transitions both ways between them, and to make the transitions perfect they need to be 12-side transitions (as opposed to the usual 6), and the whole thing then multiplied by 12 because there's 12 possible tiles to consider.
20150708 17:12:19< zookeeper> it's all really convenient because there's no extra images needed at all, i can do everything with IPF's, it's just that the number of resulting rules is huge.
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20150708 17:30:33< iceiceice> zookeeper: i think the slow part about terrain graphics is not applying the rules, but expanding all the macros
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20150708 17:35:26< zookeeper> iceiceice, i'd expect the macro expansion to be much faster than actually matching the rules?
20150708 17:35:36< zookeeper> maybe macros are slow, i don't know
20150708 17:35:37< iceiceice> no, i think it isn't
20150708 17:35:58< iceiceice> so on my machine, loading a level takes like 4- 6 seconds
20150708 17:36:11< iceiceice> and i think 2-3 or that is reading all the terrain rules out of the entire game config
20150708 17:36:16< iceiceice> *of that
20150708 17:36:25< iceiceice> because, when you are changing terrains in the editor,
20150708 17:36:30< iceiceice> it has to reapply all the rules, but that happens instantly
20150708 17:37:16< zookeeper> hmh, yeah i guess that's true
20150708 17:37:45< zookeeper> is reapplying the rules as much work as initially building them (after they've been read) at loading time?
20150708 17:38:11< iceiceice> its been a while since i looked at the code...
20150708 17:38:14< iceiceice> i think that...
20150708 17:38:20< iceiceice> part of it is that like
20150708 17:38:43< iceiceice> so the game_config object is basically, the sum total of all the WML that was loaded for a particular collection of defines
20150708 17:38:47< iceiceice> after all macro expansion has taken place
20150708 17:38:56< iceiceice> when you load a level you have to crawl that entire thing
20150708 17:39:03< iceiceice> and pick out all the [terrain_graphics] tags
20150708 17:39:21< iceiceice> that might just be inherently slow
20150708 17:39:43< iceiceice> i think i might have tried to change it in 1.12 so that it will cache the results of that so that when you go to the next scenario allt he terrain_graphics tags are already segregated?
20150708 17:39:51< iceiceice> i can't remember if i actually did that or just thought about it
20150708 17:40:27< iceiceice> zookeeper: so i can't remember i woudl have to look at the code again, but i think it might also be that when the "terrain_builder" runs, like when it loads rules,
20150708 17:40:32< iceiceice> it might also cache a bunch of images
20150708 17:40:42< iceiceice> or like, blit them on top of eachtoher and such?
20150708 17:40:49< zookeeper> all right
20150708 17:40:51< iceiceice> i don't remember but i think that mgiht also have to do with it
20150708 17:46:00< zookeeper> well... i guess i'll just do what i do and not worry about it (yet)
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20150708 18:23:15< Ravana_> is there any way to know if someone has [color_range] with certain id available?
20150708 18:25:49< zookeeper> "someone"? like whether there's an add-on supplied new [color_range]?
20150708 18:26:29< Ravana_> yes
20150708 18:27:22< Ravana_> like when there is, then use custom yellow, but if not, then use core-provided gold
20150708 18:27:53< zookeeper> sounds unlikely
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20150708 18:37:41< Ravana_> there should be some way with unsynced lua to check if addon exists
20150708 18:39:40< zookeeper> sure you can check if a specific add-on exists
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20150708 20:11:27< shadowm> Ravana_: wesnoth.have_file
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20150708 20:12:47< Ravana_> currently I put there
20150708 20:12:48< Ravana_> if pcall(wesnoth.require, "~add-ons/Color_Modification/_main.cfg") then
20150708 20:12:51< Ravana_> seems to work
20150708 20:13:12< shadowm> zookeeper: You know you can make Wesnoth's output go to a console window since 1.13.1, right? (I assume you are working with that or 1.13.1+dev.)
20150708 20:13:24< zookeeper> nope
20150708 20:14:13< shadowm> Place cwesnoth.cmd in the same dir as the executable and use that to invoke it.
20150708 20:14:19< shadowm> Ravana_: wesnoth.have_file.
20150708 20:14:30< shadowm> Seriously.
20150708 20:15:04< zookeeper> shadowm, huh, okay...
20150708 20:15:14< shadowm> e.h. cwesnoth --help
20150708 20:15:18< shadowm> *e.g.
20150708 20:15:24< pydsigner> Ravana_: O.o
20150708 20:19:56< shadowm> loonycyborg: harl finally replied to my PM. The original bug does resurface with the 1.12.4a libraries.
20150708 20:22:19< shadowm> I've posted to the TS thread.
20150708 20:25:51< zookeeper> umm, so where does one see a list of possible --log-info and --log-debug domains?
20150708 20:27:42< shadowm> --logdomains
20150708 20:29:59< zookeeper> thanks
20150708 20:30:28< zookeeper> looks like i missed that in the help output
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20150708 21:19:31< zookeeper> urgh. looks like currently there's 3749 terrain rules, of which mere 84 are for water. my new water is... 2016 rules, bringing the total to 5681. D:
20150708 21:20:33< zookeeper> i don't get how the current water can only be 84 though
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20150708 21:37:11< zookeeper> does that sound like an over-the-top increase just to have really pretty water?
20150708 21:38:16< shadowm> Yes.
20150708 21:40:14< zookeeper> the increase is basically solely from transitions, so i'll have to see if i can do them somehow differently
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20150708 21:59:34< Ravana_> "Failed to resolve dependencies" message could say which ones clash?
20150708 22:00:06< shadowm> Context?
20150708 22:00:45< Ravana_> 2 modifications that have disallow_modification= against each other
20150708 22:00:58< shadowm> Okay, not my domain then.
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20150708 22:04:42< lipkab> Ravana_: Remind me some other time. Going to sleep now.
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20150708 22:04:57< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master b2717715f5be / src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Remove underscore suffixes from public struct members http://git.io/vqKCP
20150708 22:04:58< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master a0345857c6b3 / src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Make struct type name lowercase http://git.io/vqKCX
20150708 22:05:35< Ravana_> ok
20150708 22:06:13< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 2101c0e34de8 / src/addon/manager_ui.cpp: addon/mg: Remove static storage specifier from anonymous namespace members http://git.io/vqKWV
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20150708 23:51:30< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 432db9b0ac6c / src/campaign_server/ (campaign_server.cpp campaign_server.hpp): campaignd: Remember port number and report net configuration http://git.io/vqK9F
20150708 23:51:33< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:1.12 bf041d1e91c2 / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Print version number and config file path on startup http://git.io/vqK9b
20150708 23:51:36< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 14a5716b5324 / src/campaign_server/ (campaign_server.cpp campaign_server.hpp): campaignd: Remember port number and report net configuration http://git.io/vqK9N
20150708 23:51:39< irker868> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master a503066838fb / src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp: campaignd: Print version number and config file path on startup http://git.io/vqK9A
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