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20150724 00:05:02< irker089> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master a0aa111c91da / / (5 files in 3 dirs): Add new icon overlays for the About dialog button by pydsigner http://git.io/vYcm2
20150724 00:09:37< irker089> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master b756c19dd382 / SConstruct: scons: Require SDK defs for Windows XP and later instead of 2000 and later http://git.io/vYcY2
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20150724 00:52:11< irker089> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 00259251fa89 / projectfiles/VC9/ (wesnoth.vcproj wesnothd.vcproj): vcproj: Merge manifest information http://git.io/vYc48
20150724 00:52:13< irker089> wesnoth: aquileia wesnoth:master 55a59882b76c / src/desktop/windows_console.cpp: Fix warning about conversion from boost scoped_ptr to bool http://git.io/vYc44
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20150724 00:53:01< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/72390690
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20150724 01:18:45< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/72391041
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20150724 01:22:15< shadowm> Elvish_Hunter: No, I don't mind if you translate it as long as you make it clear that all official documentation and communication is in English and on #wesnoth-dev @ freenode or Wesnoth.org.
20150724 01:22:31< shadowm> Shame on me for forgetting to answer this.
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20150724 01:48:45< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/72394447
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20150724 02:10:24< vultraz> gfgtdf: yes, I saw you merged. I'm working on the dialog
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20150724 08:08:30< shadowm> zookeeper, gfgtdf, ancestral, loonycyborg, Ivanovic, aquileia, gfgtdf, Elvish_Hunter, mattsc: I wrote about you people, so you probably want to review that just in case: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=42906
20150724 08:09:47< shadowm> To be clear, I'm officially making us all responsible for answering questions from prospective contributors.
20150724 08:10:59< shadowm> If all goes well it also means that one or more of you will officially become maintainers of things (at least those of you who aren't already clearly marked as such like zookeeper or Ivanovic or me).
20150724 08:11:59< loonycyborg> really nice writeup, that
20150724 08:18:14< shadowm> vultraz, you have 16 hours to address lipk and Anonymissimus's point.
20150724 08:25:35< zookeeper> looks good to me
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20150724 10:20:20< vultraz> shadowm: if you refer to what was posted by them yesterday, I already have
20150724 10:20:47< vultraz> I intend to keep the wording
20150724 10:22:55< vultraz> It's general enough for its purpose.
20150724 10:23:04< zookeeper> eh
20150724 10:23:49< zookeeper> i know i originally said i think it's fine, but i think that is a very valid point and "looks outdated" certainly gives off the impression that it includes the art in general
20150724 10:24:09< zookeeper> should be very easy to slip in the word "interface" in there
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20150724 10:32:43< vultraz> zookeeper: sorry my power went off, did you say something
20150724 10:33:16< zookeeper> i did!
20150724 10:33:31< zookeeper> <zookeeper> i know i originally said i think it's fine, but i think that is a very valid point and "looks outdated" certainly gives off the impression that it includes the art in general
20150724 10:33:31< zookeeper> <zookeeper> should be very easy to slip in the word "interface" in there
20150724 10:34:38< vultraz> Hm...
20150724 10:35:40< vultraz> I see your point, but that's a bit too specific
20150724 10:36:12< vultraz> I want to convey a general sense 'outdated-ness'
20150724 10:37:24< vultraz> The interface feeling clunky is a major part of it, but there are a lot of things, as the updated EC and NSEC pages indicate
20150724 10:37:28< vultraz> Some obvious, some not
20150724 10:38:12< vultraz> But again, you do have a valid point there...
20150724 10:38:18 * vultraz is not sure what to do
20150724 10:39:30< vultraz> What about just saying "begin to feel outdated"
20150724 10:39:33< vultraz> and drop 'looks'
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20150724 11:04:56< zookeeper> well, here's a suggestion...
20150724 11:06:39< zookeeper> "As the gaming industry marches on and expectations of usability and performance rise, parts of Wesnoth have begun to look — and feel — outdated."
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20150724 11:17:21< zookeeper> ...that is, if you want to retain any kind of reference to "gaming industry", which to me seems a bit odd for a FOSS game to consider itself with
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20150724 11:30:17< thespare> What was the suggestion? Turn it into a 3D MMPORG extravaganza?
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20150724 14:34:11< thespare> Hrmm...Anyone know what would cause errors for an era at units.wesnoth.org ?
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20150724 16:38:57< aquileia> shadowm: I got the MSVC build with png screenshots to work (the issue was that build_info.cpp was compiled in a sub-project without the HAVE_LIBPNG flag)
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20150724 16:39:52< aquileia> but... the --screenshot command line option you provided for testing doesn't work for me (only in-game screenshots)
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20150724 16:41:35< aquileia> The issue isn't related as if fails for bmp screenshots as well, but I'd like to fix that while I'm at it
20150724 16:53:41< aquileia> Any ideas why it would crash?
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20150724 19:04:47< gfgtdf> 20150724 08:09:47< shadowm> To be clear, I'm officially making us all responsible for answering questions from prospective contributors.
20150724 19:04:51< gfgtdf> shadowm: i have no problem with answering question about MP sync, but i do expect that people read the wiki page about mp sync first (http://wiki.wesnoth.org/OOS_%28Out_of_Sync%29)
20150724 19:06:32< Ravana_> would it help to have on the wiki page list of oos messages that are not game-breaking?
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20150724 19:09:32< gfgtdf> Ravana_: what do you maen by not game breaking?
20150724 19:09:44< gfgtdf> Ravana_: or rather can you give an exampel of such a message ?
20150724 19:10:00< Ravana_> like oos message with [choose] is harmless, and the one about gold it is just warning
20150724 19:10:33< Ravana_> not game-breaking as in it will not result in additional oos messages
20150724 19:11:41< gfgtdf> Ravana_: cghoose is uslaly not hamrless, whci mesage do you mena exactly ?
20150724 19:12:08< Ravana_> with 1.10 it happened quite often, with 1.12 haven't noticed
20150724 19:12:21< gfgtdf> Ravana_: you man the serversided 'removed illegal comman' message or the clientsides OOs messages ?
20150724 19:12:40< Ravana_> basically it was 2 at once, user input expected and not found + user input found and ignored
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20150724 19:15:08< gfgtdf> Ravana_: thids usually means the the user imput (here: the unit advancement choice) was not found, this this case te local client will doa  random choice, If you are lucky than the it made the same choice as the orignal client (human did) but you shouldnt count on this
20150724 19:15:31< Ravana_> and gold oos just means that someone has negative gold, but unless some further code depends on gold value it is just warning
20150724 19:15:36< gfgtdf> Ravana_: specialyl when there is onyl 1 unit to advance to then it will always make teh same choice
20150724 19:16:29< gfgtdf> Ravana_: when there is not really a choice i mean
20150724 19:16:44< Ravana_> yes, I suspect 1.12 fixed it even
20150724 19:17:44< Ravana_> I think I have seen [choose] oos with 1.12 too but it doesn't happen regularly anymore
20150724 19:19:59< gfgtdf> Ravana_: it still can happen with bad wml or outdated addons, if for example the units max xp differs on some clients (for exampel becasue of outdated unit cfg files) and the unit advances one one client but not on the other (becasue of teh max xp differerence) you will get such an OOs message. And this is most likeley game breaking
20150724 19:22:56< gfgtdf> Ravana_: about gold: hm yes if no wurther code depends on that it might be not that bad, fir first you dont know that (so again it depends on the outer circumstances). Also ignoring that godl message gives te other user the ability to cheat freely.
20150724 19:24:06< Ravana_> wiki can remain as is then, will tell players directly in game when that happens
20150724 19:24:56< gfgtdf> Ravana_: personally i get would get a 'is too expensive to recruit' message my first thought would be that the opponent eigher have outdated files which have smaller unit cost or that he is cheating.
20150724 19:25:03< gfgtdf> s(i /if i
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20150724 19:34:36< irker967> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master dc27e981c8cf / src/synced_commands.cpp: add a comment http://git.io/vY4bc
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20150724 20:03:38< shadowm> aquileia: Without a back trace, no, not really. Does the user you are running Wesnoth as have full access to the directory where Wesnoth is trying to write the files?
20150724 20:04:03< shadowm> But really, a backtrace would be more useful. I can only speculate since it works for me.
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20150724 20:11:39< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/72515651
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20150724 21:52:45< shadowm> vultraz: Where's that announcement fix?
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20150724 21:55:31< shadowm> BLARGH.
20150724 22:20:46< irker967> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 121594af743d / src/game_initialization/flg_manager.cpp: fix typo in wml attribute http://git.io/vYRqY
20150724 22:23:22< matthiaskrgr> asan seems to find some memory leaks, in case someone is interested;  http://pastebin.com/F4iz7Uaw  
20150724 22:24:13< shadowm> Bug report?
20150724 22:24:41< matthiaskrgr> later, maybe 
20150724 22:25:26< shadowm> Looks like they are primarily editor issues. Not much to do with the rest since they seem to come from libraries and the call paths are not specified.
20150724 22:25:50< shadowm> (In general it also helps to know what kind of things you did during the session where these were found.)
20150724 22:25:55< matthiaskrgr> yeah I just opene the editor and closed it right after 
20150724 22:38:23< shadowm> AI0867_: WESCAMP WESCAMP WESCAMP WESCAMP WESCAMP WESCAMP WESCAMP WESCAMP
20150724 22:38:41< shadowm> AI0867_: This is literally the last time I bother you about it. I'm taking it to the ML next.
20150724 22:39:27< shadowm> Because it's been like, what, a year and a half? https://github.com/wescamp/After_the_Storm-1.12
20150724 22:40:01< pydsigner> Brave Wings updated a year ago
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20150724 23:02:31< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/72538250
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