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20150723 19:26:03< Polsaker> hmmm, apparently I can't load a save of a multiplayer campaign (to a server, to continue playing it) :|
20150723 19:26:12< Polsaker> 20150723 16:23:09 error general: This is not a multiplayer save.
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20150723 22:45:35< xixor> hi
20150723 22:47:01< ancestral> Hi Xixor
20150723 22:53:02< xixor> sup?
20150723 22:53:22< xixor> I'm playing mission 1 on heir to the throne, trying to beat the enemies and not carrying about the early time bonus
20150723 22:53:34< xixor> I think I must have installed a patch that makes the game impossibly hard or something, because I'm useless
20150723 22:53:51< shadowm> What difficulty level?
20150723 22:54:19< zookeeper> well, you're not supposed to be able to beat the enemies...
20150723 22:54:41< shadowm> Anyway, do note that you set out on a fool's quest. The map is ridiculously large and you are outnumbered.
20150723 22:54:59< shadowm> The turn limit isn't very lenient and you don't have much gold.
20150723 22:55:10< Yaiyan> And there's no win condition for killing all the enemies either
20150723 22:55:30< shadowm> An important part of being a good tactician is knowing when to give up.
20150723 22:57:38< ancestral> xixor: You might want to follow the scenario objectives ;-)
20150723 22:58:36< xixor> I'm on the middle difficult
20150723 22:58:46< xixor> oh, I'm just fooling around, to see if I could
20150723 22:59:19< xixor> the thing is, you're not that ridiculously out-numbered.  If you use a few scouts and run around right away and take villages from your allies
20150723 22:59:30< zookeeper> with enough luck, almost anything is possible :p
20150723 22:59:51< xixor> and then just wait out the until the first night is over, you are actually almost at numbers-parity with any one of the enemy groups, so you should be able to achive local parity 
20150723 23:00:12< xixor> and then are attacking them and/or fending them off during the day
20150723 23:01:28< xixor> but, I haven't been able to even beat one of them
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20150723 23:06:46< xixor> shadowm: what do you mean that the turn limit isn't lenient?  
20150723 23:07:15< xixor> shadowm: if you don't reach the sign post in 14 turns, you don't get the early gold bonus, so I assumed if you could take as many turns as you wanted if you didn't care about the early gold bonus
20150723 23:07:44< zookeeper> he means that the turn limit is max 16 turns (on easy) which is surely not enough to win no matter how perfectly you play
20150723 23:07:59< xixor> oh, there is a turn limit of 16 on all levels?
20150723 23:08:07< zookeeper> 16/14/12
20150723 23:08:22< xixor> is that just to achieve the early-bonus?  Or is that to finish without failure?
20150723 23:08:28< zookeeper> latter
20150723 23:08:35< xixor> ah, I didn't know that
20150723 23:08:53< zookeeper> it's hard to tell whether it'd be even possible to defeat all enemy leaders in that time even assuming perfect luck
20150723 23:09:04< xixor> oh, no, it would be pretty much impossible
20150723 23:09:11< xixor> no doubt about that
20150723 23:09:34< zookeeper> and by perfect luck i mean send a few scouts to flank each one and hope that they are theoretically able to kill the leaders
20150723 23:09:58< xixor> I was hoping to do it in about... 40 turns
20150723 23:10:28< zookeeper> yeah you might want to look at the turn limit counter at top left :p
20150723 23:10:46< xixor> I thought that was to get the ealry turn bonus or something
20150723 23:11:14< zookeeper> nope. early finish bonus is just the bigger the more turns you have left when you finish.
20150723 23:11:19< xixor> ah, i see
20150723 23:13:58< shadowm> No, what I meant that every single move counts and you can't make any mistakes.
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20150723 23:15:24< xixor> shadowm: yes, that sure is true
20150723 23:16:05< xixor> I'm finding it hard to develop my battle strategy.. I try to occupy advantageous ground, but I always end up advancing my battle line so that I'm attacking from plains or something
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