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20150726 00:57:42< aeth> and I got Wesnoth to compile (the dependencies haven't changed in years, I guess)... without sound :-(
20150726 00:57:45< aeth> damn it
20150726 00:58:07 * aeth looks at the screenshots... oh hey look. http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/wesnoth-1.2-a.jpg
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20150726 02:12:40< aeth> oh lol sound was unchecked by default for some reason
20150726 02:16:20< shadowm> It's not unchecked by default.
20150726 02:16:44< shadowm> That is, unless SDL_mixer fails to initialize, which should pretty much never be the case with modern ALSA and PA-based systems.
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20150726 03:48:08< aeth> shadowm: Does it import settings from an older version on first run?
20150726 03:48:58< shadowm> No, but it'll obviously use them if the config path happens to coincide with the older version's (which would usually be the case on Linux if you use the XDG layout, that's enabled as long as you don't override the config dir at compile time).
20150726 03:49:24< aeth> I'm guessing it actually does because even though 1.13 is new in ~/.local/share/wesnoth (last two were 1.9 and 1.10) it knew my MP name was Aethaeryn
20150726 03:49:38< shadowm> (The easiest way to tell is checking what the preferences dir is in Preferences → General → Paths (if 1.12) or Title Screen → i Icon (1.13.1+dev).)
20150726 03:50:13< shadowm> The default player name is the value of the USER environment variable.
20150726 03:50:15< aeth> I know it's using 1.13 because the games I just played are there in ~/.local/share/wesnoth/1.13/saves
20150726 03:50:26< shadowm> On Linux that'll often be your user name.
20150726 03:50:36< aeth> it's not
20150726 03:50:53< aeth> I know what a fresh install of Wesnoth is supposed to do, it usually makes my username my Linux username. It wasn't this time.
20150726 03:50:59< aeth> This time, it used "Aethaeryn"
20150726 03:51:02< aeth> I didn't enter it
20150726 03:51:21< aeth> ah
20150726 03:51:36< shadowm> Are you lagging?
20150726 03:51:58< aeth> ~/.local/share/wesnoth/1.13 (and 1.10, and 1.9) doesn't store everything
20150726 03:52:17< aeth> It only stores stuff local to that version (saves, add-ons, maps, etc.)
20150726 03:53:17< aeth> Everything else is apparently in .config/wesnoth
20150726 03:53:20< shadowm> You are lagging, right.
20150726 03:53:36< aeth> shadowm: I don't know why, it's only Freenode
20150726 03:53:44< aeth> I guess I am going to have to /reconnect
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20150726 03:55:00< shadowm> Yes, that's why I mentioned the XDG part.
20150726 03:55:27< shadowm> With XDG, applications store their configuration in ~/.config and their data in ~/.local/share (weird, right?).
20150726 03:55:42< shadowm> Wesnoth for some reason stores its data in version-labeled subdirs but not its configuration.
20150726 03:56:30< aeth> yes, that's very strange
20150726 03:57:52< aeth> I assumed that configs were copied between versions on first run because the config options might change over time
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20150726 06:54:03< Ryckes> Hi! I have a patch for a bug (already in the bug tracker), but I feel a bit lost about updating the changelog. Should I list the fix under Version 1.13.1+dev? Or should I advance the patch version (1.13.2)?
20150726 06:56:13< Ryckes> I think I picked the wrong channel :P
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20150726 07:46:24< Muhammad> any guild?
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20150726 10:38:43< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) Several pull requests already submitted in the first day. :) [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/625253906348572673 ]
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20150726 12:46:49< UnwiseOwl> Driving myself to distraction trying to work out what was wrong with my location filter.
20150726 12:46:57< UnwiseOwl> Turns out I had it outside the [scenario] tags.
20150726 12:47:15< UnwiseOwl> Classic Owl, right there.
20150726 12:51:18< zookeeper> oops.
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20150726 13:07:59< UnwiseOwl> I'll never learn.
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20150726 13:52:38< Yaiyan> I wonder if Crow_T actually has a valid point in that locked thread
20150726 13:58:39< zookeeper> there's several possible points
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20150726 13:59:44< Yaiyan> I can imagine it's not so straightforward to make it work though, and it would definitely upset balance
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20150726 14:32:37< UnwiseOwl> Zook...you'll be proud of me. I had a problem with a filter, and in typing you a message I realised the problem all by myself! There's hope yet!
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20150726 14:34:54< zookeeper> UnwiseOwl, you started typing out the problem and figured it out before pressing enter? congratulations, to me that always only happens immediately afterwards :>
20150726 14:35:05< UnwiseOwl> I was THIS close.
20150726 14:35:49< UnwiseOwl> This is going to sound dumb, but do I need to define a variable before I set it?
20150726 14:37:13< UnwiseOwl> ie. If I want a variable to increment from 0, do I need to define it as 0, or is that the default?
20150726 14:38:01< zookeeper> i think it's the default, but if you're doing incrementing, then i'd definitely always set it to 0 first
20150726 14:38:12< zookeeper> just to make sure, and to make it clear what the code is supposed to do, etc
20150726 14:38:34< UnwiseOwl> m'kay. Thanks.
20150726 14:38:41< Ravana_> I thought default is empty
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20150726 14:39:14< zookeeper> Ravana_, well yes, but i'm pretty sure empty is treated as 0 when performing a math op like incrementing
20150726 14:39:49< zookeeper> so you can just do {VARIABLE_OP previouslynonexistentvariable add 1} and you'll get 1
20150726 14:40:11< zookeeper> but i feel that's a bit icky
20150726 14:41:13< Yaiyan> Anything that involves using an undefined variable to me sounds icky
20150726 14:41:19< Yaiyan> Although I haven't used wml for a few years now
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20150726 14:57:04< UnwiseOwl> K. Now I have to end the suckers. Do I have to do it alongside each instance of end_level or is there some kind of post-level event that I don't know about that I can end them all?
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20150726 14:58:59< Ravana_> victory/defeat event
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20150726 14:59:33< Ravana_> where possible
20150726 14:59:42< Ravana_> won't work for all situations
20150726 14:59:45< zookeeper> end what?
20150726 14:59:59< UnwiseOwl> Sorry, wanting to clear my variables on scenario end.
20150726 15:00:09< zookeeper> victory event works best
20150726 15:00:15< UnwiseOwl> kk, will do.
20150726 15:00:39< zookeeper> Ravana_, is there actually some reason to clear in defeat as well?
20150726 15:00:44< zookeeper> never really thought about that
20150726 15:00:48< UnwiseOwl> Just wondered if there was a way to circumvent given the number of victory events some of these scenarios have.
20150726 15:01:45< zookeeper> just make a new victory event where you clear all variables you want to clear? your other events don't affect that
20150726 15:01:54< Ravana_> defeat event could be used to collect persistent statistics
20150726 15:02:29< UnwiseOwl> Of course it doesn't...durr. Cool, thanks.
20150726 15:04:23< UnwiseOwl> Welp, I think it's time for bed for THIS Australian. Have fun, all.
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20150726 15:58:50< reddeed> Hi
20150726 16:00:27< reddeed> Last night, I downloaded wesnoth repo and read some of the interesting modules.
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20150726 16:14:20< Yaiyan> reddeed, #wesnoth-dev is probably the best place to chat about it :)
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20150726 17:05:06< reddeed> anyone here?
20150726 17:05:33< reddeed> Yaiyan: ty
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20150726 22:31:12< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) @NoxEternalAE Ironically, our philosophy is to Keep It Simple. [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/625433211871494144 ]
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