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20150805 00:05:18< shadowm> loonycyborg, vultraz, aquileia: Can any of you explain to me why we have this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/SDK/
20150805 00:05:30< shadowm> loonycyborg, vultraz, aquileia: And also this: https://sourceforge.net/projects/wesnoth/files/unofficial/Windows%20Compile%20Stuff/
20150805 00:05:47< shadowm> vultraz: And which should I use for the new CB SDK package?
20150805 00:05:47< loonycyborg> hysterical reasons?
20150805 00:07:05< aquileia> as loonycyborg says (e.g. the externalVCx.zip files are superseded by the external repo)
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20150805 00:09:09< shadowm> Should I delete files?
20150805 00:09:16< shadowm> If so, which files?
20150805 00:10:08< loonycyborg> ancient ones that can't work already
20150805 00:10:20< shadowm> That doesn't mean much to me.
20150805 00:13:40< aquileia> shadowm: the MSVC9* and externalVC* files were replaced, so IMO those can be deleted
20150805 00:14:37< aquileia> The last time they were necessary was back when anonymissimus didn't have push access to my repo
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20150805 00:29:31< UnwiseOwl> Newb UMC question of the day. Should I mark character names for translation?
20150805 00:29:49< vultraz> Yes
20150805 00:29:53< vultraz> But not IDs
20150805 00:30:43< aquileia> loonycyborg: Could you build my PR again and check whether "Битва за Веснот" is correctly displayed in russian? I can't because my codepage doesn't support cyrillic
20150805 00:31:13< loonycyborg> I can tomorrow
20150805 00:31:16< aquileia> ok
20150805 00:31:16< loonycyborg> to sleepynow
20150805 00:31:51< aquileia> I'm heading off to bed myself, so see you tomorrow and good night!
20150805 00:32:16< UnwiseOwl> Sweet. And is there a way to make notes to translators that will appear in the pot?
20150805 00:32:43< aquileia> #po comments IIRC
20150805 00:32:44< shadowm> UnwiseOwl: Yes, comment lines starting with "# po:" preceding a string will appear in the pot.
20150805 00:33:05< UnwiseOwl> Thanks all.
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20150805 00:35:43< aquileia> loonycyborg: One last comment: The reason why I don't know whether it'll display correctly for ou is that translations.nsh can't have an UTF8 BOM if we want to compile with NSIS 2, and you said the licence didn't display correctly without the BOM
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20150805 00:55:23< shadowm> aquileia: Uh, since when is Shavian English Espreon's project?
20150805 00:55:39< shadowm> I recall it was started by someone else entirely.
20150805 00:55:55< shadowm> Perhaps you are thinking of Old English instead.
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20150805 01:08:45< vultraz> He made the logo but that's it, according to him
20150805 01:10:10< shadowm> Just the logo then, okay.
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20150805 01:53:23< pydsigner> It'd be really nice if you could get trait and special tooltips in the advancement dialog
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20150805 04:38:59< chaverma> in wml, is "{symbol}" always a macro?
20150805 04:39:20< chaverma> reading the docs and it's not clear to me
20150805 04:40:22< shadowm> There are two modes of operation for brace substitutions: macro substitution, and file/directory substitution.
20150805 04:40:37< chaverma> ahhh, ok
20150805 04:40:46< shadowm> The game will always try file substitution if the argument isn't a defined macro.
20150805 04:40:52< shadowm> Also: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/PreprocessorRef#Inclusion_directive_.7B.7D
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20150805 04:41:24< chaverma> so more precisely the braces denote a substitution
20150805 04:41:34< shadowm> Yes.
20150805 04:41:39< chaverma> good deal
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20150805 05:46:09< godskook> Hello?
20150805 05:47:14< vultraz> hello
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20150805 05:49:53< wedge009> ...and goodbye?
20150805 05:50:10< vultraz> lol
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20150805 06:29:50< zookeeper> how do i tell if SDL_GPU is used?
20150805 06:30:14< zookeeper> well, aside from printing output
20150805 06:30:20< zookeeper> i guess i'll just do that
20150805 06:31:06< shadowm> What are you trying to do with it?
20150805 06:31:06< zookeeper> such a redundant question after all
20150805 06:31:38< zookeeper> nothing
20150805 06:32:03< shadowm> Then you shouldn't have to worry about SDL_GPU being used because it won't unless you did something special to build Wesnoth.
20150805 06:32:50< zookeeper> all right
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20150805 07:52:37< zookeeper> huh... it's as if i did manage to preload all needed terrain images and thus avoid the skipping when scrolling the map
20150805 07:53:06< vultraz> You fixed it
20150805 07:53:07< vultraz> ?
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20150805 07:53:33< shadowm> Calling image::get_image during the terrain building step?
20150805 07:54:54< zookeeper> shadowm, yeah, kinda
20150805 07:57:01< zookeeper> any insights to share? :x
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20150805 07:57:27< shadowm> Other than approving of this plan, no, not really.
20150805 07:57:51< shadowm> Although... it may be overkill to load more terrains than those that are actually used in a map.
20150805 07:59:23< zookeeper> yeah it doesn't do that
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20150805 08:10:35< ancestral> UnwiseOwl: Internet problems?
20150805 08:12:04< UnwiseOwl> Ancestral: Not that I know of. Why?
20150805 08:13:05< ancestral> You left and joined the chat 6 times in the last 15 minutes
20150805 08:13:25< UnwiseOwl> Crap. New mobile irc client...must be spamming the heck out of the logs. Really sorry.
20150805 08:14:50< ancestral> Eh, it’s not too bad
20150805 08:15:03< ancestral> Like 5 times every minute or anything
20150805 08:15:44< UnwiseOwl> Will have to find one that happily runs in the background for a windows phone...like it's possible to find anything nice for a windows phone.
20150805 08:16:25< ancestral> IRC clients on iOS can’t run in the background for long
20150805 08:16:43< ancestral> Probably having a bouncer is the way to go
20150805 08:17:22< UnwiseOwl> Probably right, there, but then I'd have to get all....technical :)
20150805 08:18:16< UnwiseOwl> Well, this time I really am leaving. Have fun.
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20150805 08:34:49< damir__> hello
20150805 08:35:20< vultraz> hello
20150805 08:42:00< damir__> are you guys still looking for developers? I'm experienced in c++, and can work on linux/win/osx
20150805 08:42:42< ancestral> damir__: Yes
20150805 08:45:27< damir__> great! i didn't play wesnoth in quite some time, but i'm interested in helping
20150805 08:46:02< damir__> i can work on c++ tasks and solve platform-specific issues. i'm also experienced with opengl, if you use that
20150805 08:46:37< roberpot> sdl 2d..
20150805 08:46:45< roberpot> :(
20150805 08:47:08< roberpot> i hate SDL 2D :_(
20150805 08:47:19< roberpot> errr...
20150805 08:47:30< vultraz> http://wiki.wesnoth.org/SDL_2_%2B_OpenGL_port
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20150805 08:47:42< vultraz> We're hoping to move to using opengl
20150805 08:47:50< vultraz> In some capacity
20150805 08:48:53< roberpot> that is nice :D
20150805 08:48:56< roberpot> you make me happy :-)
20150805 08:49:37< vultraz> Right now we're in the early stages of moving from SDL 1.2 to SDL2
20150805 08:49:42< vultraz> as well
20150805 08:50:19< roberpot> what size has de git repository?!
20150805 08:50:29< roberpot> :O
20150805 08:50:46< roberpot> OMG more than 2 GiB
20150805 08:50:51< vultraz> Our git repo is about 2 to 2.5 GB
20150805 08:51:51< vultraz> damir__: if you look under "Known bugs carried over from 1.12.x" here http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=42774 you'll see a list of the major windows/osx specific bugs we know about
20150805 08:52:20< wedge009> I think it was about 1 GB when I used depth of 1.
20150805 08:52:58< roberpot> 2.17 GiB .. WTF i will have to buy a new HD :S
20150805 08:55:32< damir__> is it doable to replace cleartype with freetype? otherwise there is no consistency across platforms, as cleartype has different font renderer. and I imagine freetype is already used for linux/osx anyway 
20150805 08:56:12< shadowm> We use Pango/Cairo on all platforms.
20150805 08:56:31< shadowm> Cairo *may* use FreeType and in fact does on Linux (no idea about OS X).
20150805 08:57:23< damir__> yeah cairo uses freetype on linux and usually cleartype on windows (only if loading font by font name)
20150805 08:57:44< damir__> if you're loading fonts by filename, it's easy to make cairo use freetype on windows too
20150805 08:58:10< shadowm> Since a large share of Wesnoth's UI currently relies on Pango layout, markup, and RTL support, we'd rather not drop Pango/Cairo.
20150805 08:58:27< shadowm> On the other than, if there is a way to force Cairo to use FT on Windows, I'd like to hear about it.
20150805 08:58:33< shadowm> Er, hand.
20150805 08:59:06< damir__> nothing wrong with pango/cairo yeah
20150805 09:00:25< damir__> so if you're loading fonts by font name (eg "Times Roman"), there is no easy way to use freetype on windows, as the font selection/parsing is boundled together with cleartype rendering
20150805 09:00:39< damir__> but if you're loading from a filename, it's really easy, like 10 lines of code
20150805 09:00:57< damir__> everything else stays the same
20150805 09:02:17< shadowm> Hm. I believe that with SDL_ttf (yes) we use filenames but with Pango/Cairo we just reference our fonts by family name.
20150805 09:02:32< damir__> in other words, if you want to use 'system fonts' on windows, it's hard to make it use freetype
20150805 09:02:52< damir__> but if you're shipping the fonts with the game, it's no issue
20150805 09:04:32< damir__> you might lose some features like subpixel rendering tho, not sure if freetype supports that
20150805 09:05:28< shadowm> We specifically don't want subpixel hinting, and in fact since 1.13.1 I added a hack to make fontconfig disable that on X11 platforms (since for some reason Cairo didn't take the hint like it does on Windows).
20150805 09:06:42< shadowm> That reminds me that we have a more important bug with Pango/Cairo on OS X, but our packagers (mattsc, ancestral) and I haven't really figured it out whether it's a code issue or a packaging issue.
20150805 09:07:44< shadowm> Basically, our private fonts are completely ignored on OS X even though we load them using fontconfig: https://gna.org/bugs/?23560  https://gna.org/bugs/?23628
20150805 09:09:07< shadowm> (Unfortunately, I need to leave right now. I'll read the logs later.)
20150805 09:11:16< shadowm> (Also, here's a general overview of how SDL_ttf and Pango/Cairo fit together (and most importantly, why we still use SDL_ttf in some places) in the large picture: http://shadowm.ai0867.net/blog/archives/296-The-state-of-font-rendering-in-Wesnoth.html )
20150805 09:11:34< damir__> ok, I'll checkout the repository and try to run it on osx, and look into those two bugs
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20150805 11:02:45< aquileia> Oh, forgot it'd report here... might have left some experiments out, in that case
20150805 11:04:06< UnwiseOwl> Now EVERYONE knows.
20150805 11:06:14< aquileia> We currently require libsdl-ttf2.0-dev on travis, but the container based builds currently only have libsdl2-ttf-2.0-0 and libsdl2-ttf-dev.
20150805 11:06:38< aquileia> a) We use the SDL 2 version?
20150805 11:07:07< aquileia> b) Is one of these a 1:1 replacement or should I request the exact lib?
20150805 11:07:42< aquileia> I guess we'd need the -dev one
20150805 11:11:37< aquileia> In the meantime, I'm searching in which allowed PPA that libsdl2-ttf-dev is...
20150805 11:15:28< quentinp> aquileia: https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/jobs/74070240 it looks like 20 minutes is not enough
20150805 11:15:36< quentinp> we could use travis_wait 30 for 30 minutes
20150805 11:16:08< quentinp> (without arguments, as now, it's 20 minutes)
20150805 11:16:52< aquileia> quentinp: I'd rather fix the source of the problem - the apt addon would load dependencies before the build and can't cause race conditions
20150805 11:18:50< aquileia> and if travis waited for 30min, there wouldn't be enough time in the remaining 20min til 50min global timeout to actually build and test
20150805 11:21:41 * aquileia continues spamming wesnoth-dev with travis builds that are guaranteed to fail or error
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20150805 11:49:10< aquileia>  libsdl2-ttf-dev is taked from debian sid... no wonder the library name differs
20150805 11:49:17< aquileia> *taken
20150805 11:52:40< aquileia> I don't want to unleash the hell of binary compatibility issues... oh, and that version might not have freetype support. It's settled, I'm requesting the original
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20150805 12:35:17< zookeeper> https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/445 <- in case someone wants to test the pre-loading thingy
20150805 12:36:02< zookeeper> i got there through lots of trial and error so it's probably not exactly perfect...
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20150805 12:40:51< zookeeper> or, to be more clear, i think it'd be great if there was a more "right" way to do it and someone figured it out :p
20150805 12:41:23< vultraz> well, it seems to work
20150805 12:44:23< vultraz> I can't say if there's a better way since that code sails way over my hed
20150805 12:44:23< vultraz> head
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20150805 14:55:04< ypnos> wow, a core team of <=6 and 75 people on the channel? :)
20150805 14:56:38< vultraz> The number of people went up after the call for help, so now we have over a dozen people working on things, by my estimation
20150805 14:58:51< ypnos> thats pretty good
20150805 14:59:00< ypnos> you still want to stick to old C++ standard though?
20150805 14:59:25< ypnos> is ESR still working on the game?
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20150805 15:00:00< vultraz> No he isn't
20150805 15:00:12< vultraz> For some reason he's idled in here for years.
20150805 15:00:39< ypnos> I see
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20150805 15:03:07< vultraz> regarding the C++ standard, if you're asking whether we would move to C++11/14, the answer is yes, eventually we would like to do that.
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20150805 15:12:16< ypnos> your documentation for developers is pretty decent I have to say
20150805 15:12:31< ypnos> I mean about the process and everything
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20150805 15:24:01< vultraz> thank shadowm for that
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20150805 15:32:06< aquileia> mattsc: I assume a file called Xcode/Frameworks/mikmod.framework/mikmod is an OS X Xcode project file, correct?
20150805 15:44:27< mattsc> aquileia: I would assume so too
20150805 15:44:58< mattsc> Well, it’s a framework file that would be used by an Xcode project file, I guess
20150805 15:45:34< mattsc> But I don’t know the details about these things either
20150805 15:45:37< aquileia> ok
20150805 15:45:54< aquileia> The reason I ask: https://travis-ci.org/travis-ci/apt-whitelist-checker/builds/74236381#L373
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20150805 15:49:40< aquileia> Because these framework files contain setuid commands, travis can't automatically accept the request to whitelist sdl-mixer. XCode doesn't run un Ubuntu though, so I guess it should be fine.
20150805 15:54:31< mattsc> aquileia: we include the libraries separately for Xcode anyway, so you could probably even delete those
20150805 15:55:46< aquileia> mattsc: Unfortunately it's not our code, but the SDL-mixer-dev package for Ubuntu (they ship their code with all project files)
20150805 15:55:59< mattsc> i see
20150805 15:56:43< aquileia> Well, there's nothiing to do but wait for one of their staff to check it manually
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20150805 17:07:36< ypnos> so is there any work on porting to Qt after sdl2 didn't really work out?
20150805 17:07:52< ypnos> or is there anything online that I can find about this? like in the forums taht I missed
20150805 17:08:22< vultraz> I believe fabi had some ideas about it but it never went anywhere
20150805 17:08:29< vultraz> and fabi left awhile back
20150805 17:08:56< pydsigner> SDL2 is still intended it seems
20150805 17:09:08< vultraz> We recently merged a PR that got wesnoth at least compiling with SDL2 again, BTW, so we are trying to move ahead with that
20150805 17:09:28< pydsigner> It's just work that has to be done by someone and didn't the first time.
20150805 17:10:03< ypnos> I think Qt is the far better option
20150805 17:10:17< ypnos> with Qt you get OpenGL acceleration of all drawing for free
20150805 17:10:36< pydsigner> Not for free
20150805 17:10:57< ypnos> tell me more
20150805 17:11:41< ypnos> the way I used it so far it was basically for free
20150805 17:12:07< pydsigner> You have to use Qt.
20150805 17:12:38< ypnos> ah ok, well what is the issue with that
20150805 17:12:50< pydsigner> a) Porting to Qt is probably more work than porting SDL 1.2 to SDL 2
20150805 17:13:02< pydsigner> b) Porting to SDL 2 has already been started
20150805 17:13:19< pydsigner> c) Qt is bloated
20150805 17:13:52< ypnos> qt is far from bloated and I doubt the current wesnoth drawing is any faster than what you would get with Qt
20150805 17:14:04< ypnos> the other points I don't want to argue about :)
20150805 17:14:38< ypnos> with qt you wouldn't have to maintain a whole gui/widget system
20150805 17:14:41< ypnos> input handling
20150805 17:14:42< ypnos> all that stuff
20150805 17:15:13< ypnos> sdl_gpu... is that in use?
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20150805 17:24:14< timotei> ypnos: You mean, overlay native Qt controls over the actual game?
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20150805 18:25:56< aquileia> loonycyborg: Had any time to test yet?
20150805 18:26:16< loonycyborg> oh 
20150805 18:26:26< loonycyborg> no other things keepdistracting me
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20150805 18:42:21< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
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20150805 18:43:03< irker537> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 778e9296d8c2 / data/tools/wmlscope: wmlscope: fixed files being incorrectly opened as UTF8 instead of binary http://git.io/vOXMy
20150805 18:43:03< irker537> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master ad3631419c59 / data/tools/wesnoth/ (wmliterator.py wmltools.py): wmltools and wmliterator: removed __cmp__ method http://git.io/vOXMS
20150805 18:43:04< irker537> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 6d67feff9f6a / data/tools/ (wesnoth/wmltools.py wmlscope): wmlscope and wmltools: removed calls to cmp() function http://git.io/vOXM9
20150805 18:43:06< irker537> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master c1a783b0389a / data/tools/ (wesnoth/wmliterator.py wesnoth/wmltools.py wmlindent wmllint wmlscope): all main wml tools: use filter(), map() and zip() from Python 3 http://git.io/vOXMH
20150805 18:43:08< irker537> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 8c098c326440 / data/tools/wmlscope: wmlscope: refactored collision detection http://git.io/vOXMQ
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20150805 18:46:32< Elvish_Hunter> About wmlscope's collisions detection: I refactored it first to fix some incompatibilities, and second because its output was confusing
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20150805 18:46:54< Elvish_Hunter> It output, in fact, was just a list of file with no obvious meaning
20150805 18:47:02< Elvish_Hunter> * Its, not It
20150805 18:47:56< Elvish_Hunter> With my modification, now wmlscope warns about files in collisions, outputs their MD5 hash and then outputs the list of files having the same hash
20150805 18:48:48< pydsigner> vultraz: Wiki greatmap in Geography_of_Wesnoth is outdated
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20150805 19:17:48< pydsigner> Oh look, Gweddry also disappears for S5
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20150805 19:21:01< pydsigner> And.... you're right, EI is incredibly campy
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20150805 19:34:19< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/74287198
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20150805 19:55:28< aquileia> loonycyborg: ping
20150805 19:56:26< loonycyborg> aquileia: still busy with other stuff
20150805 19:56:28< aquileia> also, how bad would it be if I couldn't fix the 202 compiler warnings in NSIS ?
20150805 19:56:52< loonycyborg> don't care as long as they're harmless
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20150805 19:57:54< aquileia> One fix for the actual problem would require 202 lines of defines (and fix the warnings), the other potential fix wouldn't suppress the warnings
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20150805 19:58:19< pydsigner> ...........
20150805 19:58:24< pydsigner> That's a lot of defines
20150805 19:59:29< aquileia> yep, NSIS' doesn't have a language fallback for empty strings, so I'd have to define the English value for every not fully translated language
20150805 20:01:06< aquileia> It'd probably be 2-5 lines of changed C++ code to support it, but apparently it's "lazy" if a user doesn't intend to define all LangStrings consequently...
20150805 20:03:25< aquileia> NSIS 3 seems to support .po files, but adding ca. 50 files is no improvement over 202 defines...
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20150805 20:51:20< ypnos> timotei: yes, with qml you can design them the way you need them and you get everything for free
20150805 20:51:33< ypnos> instead of implementing your own buttons, text fields and all that stuff
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20150805 20:52:21< ypnos> there is really nothing special about the widgets in wesnoth, so why maintain a whole widget set
20150805 20:53:07< ypnos> the map can be a qgraphicsscene... and you don't need any scrolling code anymore
20150805 20:53:09< ypnos> the list goes on
20150805 20:53:27< ypnos> but I'm not saying it is easy to port everything, probably would be too time consuming
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20150805 21:29:39< Aginor> lipkab: hello there
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20150805 21:34:13< doofus-01> zookeeper, in regard to your comment on SoF pull request
20150805 21:34:36< doofus-01> If I moved the patch of forest and the Champion and the other two
20150805 21:35:09< doofus-01> down to (32,18)
20150805 21:35:28< doofus-01> would that lessen the tomatoness enough?
20150805 21:35:50< doofus-01> The whole turn 10 thing was kind of a tomato anyways.
20150805 21:36:25< doofus-01> I put those elves up there because the AI doesn't seem interested in chasing wagons
20150805 21:36:35< doofus-01> just wants to beat up loyalists
20150805 21:37:05< doofus-01> I tried changing the AI settings, but couldn't tell that it had any effect.
20150805 21:37:45< pydsigner> Not even using target SUFs?
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20150805 21:39:23< doofus-01> pydsigner - I don't think it is.
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20150805 21:39:43< doofus-01> Maybe it is
20150805 21:39:57< doofus-01> but it's just not configured correctly
20150805 21:40:40< doofus-01> As it was before I touched it, the first scenario of SoF was just an AI on AI match.
20150805 21:42:09< zookeeper> doofus-01, probably? but is there really need to spawned reinforcements in the first place? couldn't he just get enough income that he can keep recruiting at a steady enough pace to eventually overwhelm you?
20150805 21:42:15< zookeeper> s/to/fot
20150805 21:42:17< zookeeper> durr
20150805 21:42:20< zookeeper> s/fot/for
20150805 21:42:44< pydsigner> s:s/fot/for:s/fot/for/:
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20150805 21:43:38< pydsigner> doofus-01: I'd suggest messing with the target clauses
20150805 21:44:28< doofus-01> zookeeper - Sure, I just went with it because it was there, and I _tried_ to make it better.  But removing it is fine with me.  
20150805 21:45:14< doofus-01> That whole NW part of the map isn't used, moving the loyalists up there, and making the elves stronger is one option I see.
20150805 21:45:34< doofus-01> pydsigner - I will look at it further, thanks.
20150805 21:47:59< zookeeper> doofus-01, yeah i'd think a steadily increasing unit mass would be better than sudden reinforcements. might be trickier to balance of course.
20150805 21:48:11< pydsigner> It'd be [goal] [criteria] type=Caravan [/criteria] value=biggernumber [/goal] I believe
20150805 21:48:25< mattsc> doofus-01: one of the important things about [goal] tags is that they only affect the goal unit move toward that are not with move/attack range on the current turn
20150805 21:48:27< pydsigner> Although having a focus on side 1 period might also work
20150805 21:48:43< pydsigner> Ungh.
20150805 21:49:07< pydsigner> Is there any way around that?
20150805 21:49:28< pydsigner> Usually the AI is trying to kill someone, not get somewhere.
20150805 21:49:47< doofus-01> mattsc - is there a way to get the the AI evaluations to print out somewhere?
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20150805 21:50:17< mattsc> pydsigner: you can tell it not to attack certain units, but you cannot really set a preference of one over the other
20150805 21:50:31< mattsc> doofus-01: ./wesnoth —log-debug=ai/*
20150805 21:50:52< mattsc> or some subset thereof, if you don’t want all the AI output
20150805 21:51:16< doofus-01> mattsc - thanks.
20150805 21:51:39< mattsc> doofus-01: you can see the available options with —log-domains
20150805 21:53:08< lipkab> Aginor: Hi.
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20150805 22:54:08< aquileia> loonycyborg: Pushed the fix for the warnings - took me well over an hour of formatting & restructuring
20150805 22:54:33< loonycyborg> that's cool
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20150805 22:58:25< aquileia> What I'd really need to test is what happens if the installer is run with a different codepage than it was built - chcp didn't work, so I need someone to test a binary from my or your PC
20150805 22:59:28< aquileia> loonycyborg: You have russian Win XP on a VM, right?
20150805 22:59:42< loonycyborg> yes
20150805 23:00:16< aquileia> Then I guess you wouldn't mind installing my binary there?
20150805 23:03:04< aquileia> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w80lltouibo6a5m/wesnoth-1.12.9-win32.exe?dl=0
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20150805 23:03:38< loonycyborg> codepage it built with shouldn'tmatter
20150805 23:03:44< loonycyborg> in any case
20150805 23:03:51< aquileia> I left out data/ ect. so it's only 11 MB
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20150805 23:04:21< loonycyborg> oklemme run vm
20150805 23:04:44< aquileia> loonycyborg: It might, because translations.nsh isn't allowed to use an UTF8 BOM on NSIS 2
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20150805 23:07:01< aquileia> The "Battle for Wesnoth" string during installation, the GPL and the start menu shortcuts should be localized now
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20150805 23:11:50< loonycyborg> aquileia: I tried it
20150805 23:11:56< loonycyborg> GPL text is fine
20150805 23:11:57< loonycyborg> but
20150805 23:12:17< loonycyborg> encoding is broken for russian translation of "battle for wesnoth
20150805 23:12:58< aquileia> Damn... as I thought, it doesn't understand the encoding without the BOM
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20150805 23:14:21< aquileia> NSIS 3 fixes that, but you said you had issues upgrading, so I guess that's no option
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20150805 23:15:07< celticminstrel> I've gotten it to build on OSX 10.7, but text in some contexts is all shown as boxes. Something about Pango.
20150805 23:15:12< celticminstrel> And CoreText.
20150805 23:15:18< celticminstrel> I don't think CoreText exists yet.
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20150805 23:15:30< 7GHAAV74O> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#506 (sortable_listbox - e9ee7c2 : gfgtdf): The build was fixed.
20150805 23:15:30< 7GHAAV74O> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/74323190
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20150805 23:16:29< celticminstrel> I substituted my MacPorts copies of Pango (which allows the build to succeed), but there seems to be a CoreText-dependent pango module as well, and I'm not sure what to do about that.
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20150805 23:18:34< loonycyborg> aquileia: actually
20150805 23:18:41< celticminstrel> I don't see a mattsc or ancestral here... they're the main Mac people, right?
20150805 23:18:43< loonycyborg> I only had issues upgrading thescript
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20150805 23:19:00< loonycyborg> if you rewrite it for nsis 3 it won'tbea problem anymore
20150805 23:19:57< aquileia> I thought NSIS 3 should work out of the box... I'll install it and try compiling
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20150805 23:49:00< aquileia> Aargh! NSIS 3 finally implements falling back to the English string! Why didn't they properly write that in the Release Notes?
20150805 23:49:31< aquileia> The only reason I know is that their OWN translations are incomplete
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20150805 23:51:24< mattsc> celticminstrel: hi, I don’t have time right now at all (maybe in an hour or so), but I think this means that you cannot get the Xcode build to work on 10.7
20150805 23:51:52< mattsc> Or at least I do not know how.  (I know it does not work on 10.6; and does on 10.9)
20150805 23:52:04< mattsc> You will probably have to do a build via homebrew then.
20150805 23:52:14< mattsc> I can provide more information later, got to run right now.
20150805 23:52:23< celticminstrel> 'kay, I'll wait.
20150805 23:53:02< shadowm> gfgtdf: Not right now, no. I can't help you with your other question either since it involves GUI2's squishy guts.
20150805 23:53:55 * celticminstrel uses MacPorts rather than Homebrew though.
20150805 23:55:39< shadowm> gfgtdf: I know it's possible to define a widget's maximum size in its widget definition (the stuff you see in data/gui/default/widget/), but I don't think you can do it in its instantiation (as in a GUI2 dialog) unless the widget itself specifically exposes attributes to do that.
20150805 23:56:19< shadowm> I may be wrong, though. I'm mostly going by the wiki documentation and recently found out that it's missing some stuff that was introduced later.
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20150805 23:57:00< shadowm> (I mean, without mordante around that's pretty much a given until I or someone else gets around to figuring out how the documentation was generated.)
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20150805 23:59:58< travis-ci> gfgtdf/wesnoth-old#507 (sortable_listbox - 398a30b : gfgtdf): The build was fixed.
20150805 23:59:58< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/gfgtdf/wesnoth-old/builds/74324264
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