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20150818 01:12:15< Aginor> -me grumbles
20150818 01:12:21< Aginor> I want to use pointers!
20150818 01:13:27< Aginor> shadowm: would it be acceptable to use a array of *hotkey_item allocated with new (using the factory pattern)
20150818 01:14:17< Aginor> it'd make for tidier code to be allowed to use null
20150818 01:17:27< shadowm> As long as the memory is guaranteed to be released when appropriate (maybe using smart pointer types) sure.
20150818 01:19:14< Aginor> good
20150818 01:19:37< Aginor> shadowm: the style wiki doesn't explicitly mention pointers, but it's definitively frowning at them
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20150818 01:47:29< celticminstrel> Aginor: Use references. :P
20150818 01:47:38< celticminstrel> Or, boost::optional.
20150818 01:47:49< celticminstrel> ...is boost::optional allowed, actually?
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20150818 01:48:14< celticminstrel> I'm guessing it probably is.
20150818 01:48:59< celticminstrel> Still, sometimes you really do need pointers though, so if that's the case, just use pointers.
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20150818 02:06:47< Aginor> I'm using auto_ptr now
20150818 02:08:14< shadowm> I suggest you use Boost's unique_ptr instead.
20150818 02:11:53< Aginor> ok
20150818 02:25:25< celticminstrel> Or, if appropriate, shared_ptr.
20150818 02:25:37< celticminstrel> (I myself almost always use shared_ptr. >_> )
20150818 02:25:51< celticminstrel> (I tend to forget that unique_ptr exists. <_< )
20150818 02:34:35< Aginor> reading up on the difference makes it look like shared_ptr is what I should use over unique_ptr
20150818 02:35:27< Aginor> class A inherits B, I have a factory method that only ever return As, but allocates pointers to Bs internall, and internally references both As and Bs
20150818 02:43:53< vultraz> !seen gfgtdf
20150818 02:44:04< vultraz> erm
20150818 02:44:17< vultraz> ...
20150818 02:44:46< vultraz> %seen gfgtdf
20150818 02:47:49< celticminstrel> .seen gfgtdf
20150818 02:48:03< celticminstrel> No idea then.
20150818 02:48:14< celticminstrel> Is a bot missing?
20150818 02:49:03< vultraz> &seen gfgtdf
20150818 02:49:13< celticminstrel>  /whowas gives "no such nickname".
20150818 02:49:43< shadowm> /whowas is useless and it doesn't work like that.
20150818 02:49:49< shadowm> shikadibot: seen gfgtdf
20150818 02:49:49< shikadibot> shadowm: The person with the nick gfgtdf last spoke 8d 7h ago.  8d 5h ago they left with the message: Ping timeout: 256 seconds
20150818 02:50:11< celticminstrel> It's not completely useless.
20150818 02:51:14< shadowm> It has a certain limit that's usually hit within a few minutes on a large network like this.
20150818 02:53:17< pydsigner> nickserv INFO can be somewhat helpful
20150818 02:53:46< celticminstrel> Ah, that would explain why it doesn't say how long it takes for it to expire.
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20150818 05:04:40< wedge009> Aginor: Fine, I'll add myself in the SDL2 Windows Tray branch... if I get it working.
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20150818 05:09:07< wedge009> I'll put myself under Miscellaneous for the time being.
20150818 05:09:22< shadowm> That's the place for new contributors.
20150818 05:09:29< wedge009> Cool.
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20150818 05:45:05< shadowm> Didn't standing animations use to start at random initial frames?
20150818 05:45:47< shadowm> Starting AToTB and seeing all the Spearmen bobbing in sync with each other looks weird.
20150818 05:48:07< shadowm> zookeeper, vultraz, whoever:
20150818 05:48:11< shadowm> 20150818 02:47:01 warning preprocessor: Redefining macro NEW_JOURNEY at campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/utils/bigmap.cfg:30
20150818 05:48:14< shadowm> previously defined at core/macros/image-utils.cfg:43
20150818 05:48:41< shadowm> The only difference between both is the delay value. Is this intentional, though?
20150818 05:48:57< vultraz> doubtful 
20150818 05:49:27< vultraz> But possibly
20150818 05:49:32< vultraz> To indicate 'haste'
20150818 05:50:22< shadowm> I'm going to commit the change that adds warnings on redefined macros, so you might want to either fix that by removing the duplicate macro or explicitly adding an #undef above.
20150818 05:51:12< shadowm> Also, LoW is really bad in this regard. Has anyone sorted out the cross-branch drift there?
20150818 05:52:26< vultraz> Not that I know of
20150818 05:52:54< vultraz> I was going to propose focusing on fixing LoW in 1.13 only
20150818 05:55:08< shadowm> On 1.12.x and 1.13.x.
20150818 05:58:50< vultraz> What?
20150818 06:02:13< shadowm> It surely needs fixes on 1.12.x too.
20150818 06:03:05< vultraz> Yes
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20150818 06:08:28< aquileia> vultraz: it's not about haste but simply waiting time for the large number of track markers
20150818 06:08:40< vultraz> Ah, I see
20150818 06:09:14< aquileia> I might be wrong, but I think half of mainline redefines that macro...
20150818 06:09:54< shadowm> Yes, you are wrong.
20150818 06:11:02< shadowm> Okay why the hell do we add 1 to the definition location linenum when adding macros?
20150818 06:12:44< shadowm> Okay, it is 0 based from the looks of it, but then...
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20150818 06:15:41< shadowm> It's actually 1 based.
20150818 06:16:15< shadowm> Not the macro linenum but rather the preprocessor_data linenum.
20150818 06:17:50< shadowm> It's never zero, at least.
20150818 06:18:14< shadowm> So we've had inaccurate info about macro definitions all along? ¬_¬
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20150818 06:26:26< irker549> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 987bb787ce85 / changelog src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp: preproc: Add warning on macro redefinitions without #undef http://git.io/vsfCF
20150818 06:26:28< irker549> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master c36bb4c5d0fb / changelog src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp: preproc: Fix macro definition lines being offset by 1 http://git.io/vsfCb
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20150818 06:58:44< irker549> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master 5108fa05adc4 / src/addon/ (manager.cpp state.cpp): Fix version_info ctor calls expecting the sane parameter http://git.io/vsf0d
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20150818 07:19:39< zookeeper> shadowm, yes, it's intentional
20150818 07:20:03< zookeeper> ...for the reason aquileia said
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20150818 07:23:41< irker549> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master 8f48eab65295 / data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/utils/bigmap.cfg: Added #undef before NEW_JOURNEY macro redefinition http://git.io/vsf2d
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20150818 09:32:23< Aginor> keybind stuff is progressing :D
20150818 09:32:29< Aginor> git diff | wc -l
20150818 09:32:29< Aginor> 912
20150818 09:32:41< Aginor> of course, that's horribly misleading
20150818 09:34:05< Aginor> by about 50%
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20150818 12:42:40< vultraz> Erm
20150818 12:43:26< vultraz> The New Map entry under File in the editor now lists the hotkey binding three times o_O
20150818 12:43:43< Aginor> it wasn't me!
20150818 12:44:02< Aginor> (I haven't commited hotkey code yet)
20150818 12:44:22< Aginor> vultraz: is it comma separated?
20150818 12:44:39< vultraz> Uh, yes
20150818 12:44:51< vultraz> and Scenario Objectives in the main game lists its binding 6 times O_O
20150818 12:45:17< Aginor> give me a couple of minutes and I'll check and see if it's in my working tree too
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20150818 12:49:51< zookeeper> btw, i'll be afk for about 2 days.
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20150818 12:50:59< vultraz> Noted
20150818 12:55:47< Aginor> I don't see it here
20150818 12:56:02< vultraz> :/
20150818 12:59:37< Aginor> I think
20150818 12:59:59< Aginor> something fishy is going on, I just had a hotkey show up three times in the editor
20150818 13:01:58< Aginor> vultraz: I see it too, but it's intermittant
20150818 13:04:02< Aginor> or actually, it's not that intermittant, it looks like there's a string that's not being cleared properly
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20150818 13:10:48< Aginor> vultraz: are these only happening for your custom commands?
20150818 13:11:09< vultraz> I didn't change any bindings 
20150818 13:11:49< Aginor> ok
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20150818 13:18:56< irker079> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d6c67db110b6 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (4 files in 2 dirs): LoW: expand most util macros from S7 and S16. Delete unused ones http://git.io/vsU2A
20150818 13:19:53< vultraz> shadowm: ^ fixes the immediate LoW redefinition warnings 
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20150818 13:42:44< irker079> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master d13d249ca9e9 / data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (5 files in 3 dirs): LoW: merged two lua files and cleaned up contents http://git.io/vsUXq
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20150818 13:54:54< mattsc> ancestral: hi
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20150818 14:54:58< celticminstrel> I don't understand how unit vision= / [vision_costs] works... maybe the former requires the latter...?
20150818 14:57:59< Ravana_> I understand that vision= overrides max_moves when calculating vision, and [vision_costs] overrides [movement_costs]
20150818 14:59:30< celticminstrel> Oh, hmm, I think the problem here is that vision= defaults to -1.
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20150818 15:00:04< Ravana_> that is predefined value to make it use moves unless the key is used
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20150818 15:01:08< celticminstrel> Yeah.
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20150818 16:10:27< celticminstrel> Well, that took a bit longer than expected.
20150818 16:10:50< jxanthony> That's what *she* said
20150818 16:14:19< celticminstrel> Why was stun changed from duration=turn to duration=turn end?
20150818 16:19:59< celticminstrel> I wonder if it would be a good idea to accept [object] under [specials].
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20150818 16:56:38< celticminstrel> Um. I clicked "Language" and selected French, but everything's still in English...
20150818 16:56:59< Ravana_> seems I found way with wml that crashes wesnoth of target side..
20150818 16:57:17< Ravana_> need to test it against 1.12.4 too
20150818 16:59:11< celticminstrel> The exact same action in 1.12 works as expected.
20150818 16:59:28< celticminstrel> It seems like something is broken in 1.13,
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20150818 16:59:51< celticminstrel> ...whoa, pierce/impact/blade in French are really long.
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20150818 17:00:42< celticminstrel> ...wait, now I can't change back to English.
20150818 17:01:13< celticminstrel> Something's broken even in 1.12. At least relaunching fixed that one, though. Maybe relaunching 1.13 will also workaround it.
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20150818 17:07:17< celticminstrel> Nope, still doesn't work... :|
20150818 17:08:45< celticminstrel> Ah, I think I figured it out. The translations folder is missing in the application package.
20150818 17:11:46< mattsc> celticminstrel: it shouldn’t be missing in any release; it is not there by default if you build it yourself
20150818 17:12:01< celticminstrel> Yeah, that's what I didn't realize.
20150818 17:12:10< mattsc> celticminstrel: also, I found that I cannot change languages if I start from the commandline, only when I click on the icon for some reason
20150818 17:29:36< ancestral> mattsc: Sorry, missed you earlier. Should I look through logs?
20150818 17:30:02< mattsc> ancestral: no, I didn’t write anything afterward
20150818 17:30:38< mattsc> Mostly I just wanted to say that I committed the new pango modules, so I think the Xcode build should now work for you “out of the box”
20150818 17:30:57< mattsc> ancestral: also, I had a question
20150818 17:31:12< ancestral> Cool
20150818 17:31:15< ancestral> I’ll give it a go
20150818 17:31:17< mattsc> Since I upgraded to 10.10, the modifier keys are behaving weirdly.
20150818 17:31:35< mattsc> For example, cmd-s to save a game only works reliably with the right cmd key
20150818 17:31:55< ancestral> Built-in keyboard, or bluetooth/USB?
20150818 17:32:08< mattsc> With the left one, it sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t (and brings up the status menu instead), depending on what I have pressed before
20150818 17:32:23< mattsc> both built-in and USB; I don’t have a bluetooth keyboard
20150818 17:32:32< ancestral> On both keyboards?
20150818 17:32:40< mattsc> Have you experienced something like that?
20150818 17:33:10< ancestral> No, I haven’t
20150818 17:33:13< mattsc> ancestral: yes, I just tested, both keyboards
20150818 17:33:45< mattsc> with the left cmd key, if I press the key first, let go, then do cmd-s, it works
20150818 17:33:45< ancestral> I would bring up the Keyboard Viewer
20150818 17:34:02< ancestral> And then try pressing keys and see what happens
20150818 17:34:13< ancestral> mattsc: Does this happen when both are plugged in together?
20150818 17:34:24< celticminstrel> Building translations surprisingly takes quite awhile.
20150818 17:34:28< ancestral> Could it be possible the external is bad and misfiring?
20150818 17:34:31< mattsc> ancestral: yes
20150818 17:34:40< celticminstrel> I guess I only really need to do it once though. (Or... occasionally, rather.)
20150818 17:34:43< ancestral> I would try disconnecting the external
20150818 17:34:56< mattsc> ancestral: same behavior, I have tried all that
20150818 17:35:07< mattsc> also, it only happens in Wesnoth, not in other applications
20150818 17:35:09< ancestral> Then I would leave the Keyboard Viewer up
20150818 17:35:23< ancestral> I have not had any problems myself
20150818 17:35:36< ancestral> But I’m not sure I have tested thoroughly?
20150818 17:37:00< mattsc> ancestral, so if I have the keyboard viewer up and use the left key, it highlights both cmd keys, but the status table comes up anyway
20150818 17:37:12< mattsc> it’s very strange
20150818 17:37:23< ancestral> I assume you’ve deleted your Wesnoth prefs?
20150818 17:37:35< ancestral> And checked to make sure add-ons aren’t causing issues?
20150818 17:37:39< mattsc> ancestral: no; good point …
20150818 17:37:42< ancestral> :)
20150818 17:38:59< mattsc> ah, that horrible music!
20150818 17:39:01< mattsc> ;)
20150818 17:39:11< ancestral> Haha
20150818 17:39:17< ancestral> Blame vultraz
20150818 17:39:59< mattsc> No, I won’t.  The problem with the music is that it is on.
20150818 17:40:15< mattsc> ancestral: no difference after deleting the preferences  (other than that the music is on)
20150818 17:41:31< mattsc> ancestral: anyway, while annoying, this is not very important right now, I also wanted to run something else past you …
20150818 17:41:55< mattsc> As in, the plan for releases or so.  In my opinion, we should do the following:
20150818 17:42:03< mattsc> 1a. 1.12: release as usual
20150818 17:42:40< mattsc> 1b. 1.13: release with the new pango packages (from my commit two days ago), which should then run on 10.10 and 10.9 (and maybe 10.8)
20150818 17:43:02< mattsc> 2. Provide homebrew prescription for building releases on other systems
20150818 17:43:43< mattsc> 3a. developing 1.13 on 10.10 and 10.9: should work out of the box
20150818 17:44:12< mattsc> 3b. same on earlier OS Xs: provide scripts to put correct libraries into place.
20150818 17:44:27< mattsc> ancestral: Does that sounds good?
20150818 17:44:37< mattsc> And if so, follow-up questions:
20150818 17:45:13< mattsc> Will you take care (continue to take care) of 1a., 1.b and 2?
20150818 17:45:20< mattsc> I’ve already done 3.a
20150818 17:45:35< mattsc> And I am willing to give 3b. a shot, unless somebody else wants to do it.
20150818 17:46:15< ancestral> Yeah, I’m commited to doing 1.a, 1.b and 2
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20150818 17:46:46< mattsc> Cool, thanks!  And the plan as a whole sounds reasonable to you?
20150818 17:46:48< celticminstrel> I just added something to the XCode project to copy the translations into place if they're built.
20150818 17:47:47< mattsc> celticminstrel: okay, sounds good
20150818 17:48:03< mattsc> I never bothered with that since I do everything in English  (even though that’s not my native language)
20150818 17:48:32< celticminstrel> I wanted to test something in a language that has different male/female versions for something.
20150818 17:48:34< mattsc> celticminstrel: I assume that you’ll set up a PR with that?
20150818 17:48:49< celticminstrel> It'll probably be included with the PR for the feature, is that okay with you?
20150818 17:49:00< celticminstrel> I can make a separate one if you prefer.
20150818 17:49:21< celticminstrel> (The feature is "add female_text= key to [animate_unit] and [unstore_unit].")
20150818 17:49:32< mattsc> I think ‘we” (the Wesnoth project) prefers to keep things like that separate
20150818 17:49:53< celticminstrel> 'kay
20150818 17:50:29< mattsc> It makes debugging and, if needed, reverting easier
20150818 17:52:05< mattsc> I’m going to check out quickly why that goblin thinks he should hop right into the middle of a bunch of drakes and attack them, and then I guess I should get back to work  :)
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20150818 17:57:54< celticminstrel> ..."ensnare" is translated "séduction"? That doesn't sound right.
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20150818 18:09:13< celticminstrel> 1.13 is actually kinda slow. Maybe it's because the debugger is attached though.
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20150818 18:36:53< celticminstrel> mattsc: PR464
20150818 18:37:03< Elvish_Hunter> Hi all
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20150818 18:38:40< irker411> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master 427f73815d0d / data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/garak-abilities.cfg: UtBS: fixed a wmllint warning about translation marks http://git.io/vsk7d
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20150818 18:40:11< irker411> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master f07c67ec3e3b / data/tools/GUI.pyw: Improvement to the bundled GUI.py icon http://git.io/vsk56
20150818 18:40:14< irker411> wesnoth: Elvish-Hunter wesnoth:master 66a9cb0986eb / data/tools/GUI.pyw: Merge pull request #460 from Vultraz/master http://git.io/vsk5i
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20150818 19:09:21< mattsc> celticminstrel: thanks — I’ll check it out and commit it later (tonight or tomorrow, probably)
20150818 19:11:52< celticminstrel> It took me way to many tries to get my "stuff" branch so that the PR shows only the relevant stuff. Almost lost one of the commits, too (fortunately git doesn't actually delete commits when you remove them with rebase).
20150818 19:14:39< celticminstrel> ^too many
20150818 19:16:15< celticminstrel> And there's still something weird going on there.
20150818 19:22:57< celticminstrel> I also lost my shell-script to run a single WML test. Oh well... it was only one line after all, so easy to remake if I need it.
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20150818 21:16:14< pydsigner> If an addon has multiple dependencies, it should be possible to cherrypick which to install
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20150818 21:17:45< pydsigner> For instance, just the essential graphics pack rather than the 80mb music addon
20150818 21:18:38< vultraz> Yeah, but the dependency system needs to be reworked
20150818 21:21:56< pydsigner> Like a consensus among UMC devs to use a system like the UMC Music Packs, but with individual tracks
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20150818 21:31:04< Aginor> shadowm: hi
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20150818 22:52:11< shadowm> Aginor: Hi.
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20150818 22:56:11< Aginor> shadowm: I want to add some code from SDL2 into wesnoth as it'd be _really nice_ to use the same functionality for both SDL1.2 and SDL2. I have put in in sdl/keyboard.* and included the relevant copyright headers
20150818 22:56:15< Aginor> is this acceptable?
20150818 22:57:05< Aginor> I can push to github if yuo want to see the actual code, but I'm still tidying up
20150818 23:01:44< shadowm> Why do we need to use it for SDL 1.2 too when the intention is to switch to SDL 2?
20150818 23:04:56< Aginor> shadowm: it has to do with the keycode to string (and back) conversion
20150818 23:05:30< Aginor> I want to use the sameish code to make sure that there's no nasty surprises happening when dealing with the settings file
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20150818 23:12:29< shadowm> RIGHT.
20150818 23:12:32< shadowm> Oops, caps.
20150818 23:13:31< shadowm> I don't see a problem with that license-wise, I'm just concerned that it may become a maintenance burden in the future like the built-in Lua library already is.
20150818 23:14:18< Aginor> my view is that it's transitory code that should be removed for 1.16 or whenever SDL2 becomes the only option
20150818 23:14:36< Aginor> (together with all the other SDL1.2 code)
20150818 23:15:10< shadowm> My aim was for SDL 2 to become the only option with 1.13.2. :p
20150818 23:15:20< Aginor> even better then
20150818 23:15:31< shadowm> Or possibly 1.13.3 making it the default in 1.13.2.
20150818 23:15:47< Aginor> I suddenly feel like I'm on the critical path
20150818 23:16:55< Aginor> but as I stated above, I want it in for compatability reaons to make sure hotkeys work the same across 1.2 and 2
20150818 23:19:23< shadowm> If it'll no longer be needed after switching to SDL 2 then that's fine.
20150818 23:20:48< Aginor> thank you
20150818 23:25:36< pydsigner> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=28609 Seems like this topic could use an update
20150818 23:26:42< vultraz> It could
20150818 23:37:10< celticminstrel> Looking at that, I have no idea what's still true. Except UtBS, I guess.
20150818 23:37:29< vultraz> We'd have to get jetrel to deal with it
20150818 23:38:48< pydsigner> I figured
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