--- Log opened Thu Aug 27 00:00:13 2015
20150827 00:06:30< celticminstrel> Oh, I see the problem.
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20150827 00:36:00< celticminstrel> I don't see a way to simply get the list of defense modifiers in a movetype...
20150827 00:42:25< celticminstrel> Oh... I can use write() to convert it back to a config.
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20150827 03:05:02< celticminstrel> Huh, some of the core movetype definitions don't have the full complement of keys (missing unwalkable and impassable).
20150827 03:05:35< celticminstrel> (And sometimes mountains)
20150827 03:06:38< celticminstrel> (And deep_water.)
20150827 03:07:02< celticminstrel> In add-ons I usually see these explicitly set to {UNREACHABLE}.
20150827 03:11:09< shadowm> Commit e563dabdc9a633f5388440dea8e7831abaee42fe.
20150827 03:11:44< shadowm> See also: what I said the other day about [+units] in UMC land.
20150827 03:15:35< celticminstrel> Kind of makes it hard to set the defense/movement of a custom terrain category based on the the defense/movement of an existing category such as "unwalkable".
20150827 03:15:53< celticminstrel> What is the default defense, incidentally?
20150827 03:16:12< celticminstrel> Movement is obviously equivalent to 99.
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20150827 03:16:32< celticminstrel> I'd guess 0?
20150827 03:16:45< vultraz> 100 I think
20150827 03:16:50 * celticminstrel nods.
20150827 03:17:10< vultraz> don't quote me on that though
20150827 03:17:29< celticminstrel> It would be nice if there was a way in the formula engine to say "any variable not otherwise defined has a value of 100".
20150827 03:18:14< celticminstrel> I guess I could extract possible variables from the formula itself rather than dumping from the config.
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20150827 03:31:09< celticminstrel> Or...
20150827 03:31:24< celticminstrel> How does the game know what the list of basic terrains is? Is that hard-coded somewhere?
20150827 03:31:28< celticminstrel> Or is it generated somehow?
20150827 03:31:32 * celticminstrel suspects the former.
20150827 03:35:01< celticminstrel> A logical way to generate it would be "all terrains that have icon_image set".
20150827 03:40:05< shadowm> I assume it walks the terrain tree upwards until it finds terrains that aren't aliased to anything.
20150827 03:40:16< celticminstrel> That's also a logical way.
20150827 03:40:32< celticminstrel> However, I added a new terrain type that's not aliased to anything, and it doesn't show up.
20150827 03:40:34< shadowm> More logical than yours, certainly.
20150827 03:40:50< celticminstrel> Well, both are logical, but maybe you're right.
20150827 03:40:52< shadowm> UI aspects like that should never be used as an API.
20150827 03:41:14< celticminstrel> I have no idea where to look for how it gets that list though.
20150827 03:42:59< celticminstrel> You probably don't actually have to walk a tree to find terrains that aren't aliased to anything - just check for the "aliasof" key.
20150827 03:43:17< celticminstrel> ...hmm, terrain_type_data.cpp has a list() function...
20150827 03:51:22< celticminstrel> My vague impression is that has nothing to do with movetypes and everything to do with the editor palette.
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20150827 03:57:12< celticminstrel> Ohhh, it wasn't showing up because I had never encountered it.
20150827 03:57:59< shadowm> Let me correct myself: *when trying to detect what a terrain's base terrain actually is.
20150827 03:58:28< shadowm> Because IIRC aliasing subclass terrains still gives you the base terrain stats.
20150827 03:59:35< celticminstrel> Okay, so this does work, the only problem is the movetype doesn't have "unwalkable" in its vocabulary.
20150827 04:00:02< celticminstrel> So I can't set the new terrain type to have the same movement cost as "unwalkable".
20150827 04:00:57< celticminstrel> I can either parse the formula to get variables actually used, or walk through the list of terrains. Both seem kinda overkill.
20150827 04:07:47< celticminstrel> I think the former is actually easier though.
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20150827 04:43:55< shadowm> Someone went and documented accuracy and parry, it seems.
20150827 04:44:02< celticminstrel> Me.
20150827 04:44:17< celticminstrel> That's not a problem, is it?
20150827 04:44:39< shadowm> Only if somebody was secretly planning to drop them.
20150827 04:45:30< celticminstrel> I also documented vision_alias and was going to document icon_image too.
20150827 04:45:40< celticminstrel> But hadn't gotten around to it.
20150827 04:53:26< celticminstrel> I guess I'll do that now, since I seem to have finished the movetype patching.
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20150827 10:03:22< zookeeper> shadowm, if i have a short code structure that i find myself having to duplicate a bunch of times inside a single function (so it's very localized duplication), is it kosher to just use a macro for that? there's no nested functions, and i'd very much like to keep all the code in one place as opposed to splitting it into actual functions.
20150827 10:05:43< zookeeper> https://gist.github.com/ln-zookeeper/83e3087e1530649bff8b
20150827 10:08:17< zookeeper> feels dumb to make a proper separate function for shorthanding something that's only used in one specific place... kinda odd that c++ doesn't have nested functions.
20150827 10:09:56< zookeeper> well, looks like i could use a struct to kinda create a nested function, but i'd probably get yelled at for something like that
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20150827 11:05:03< Soliton> looks to me like you should put everything in the update_display_ section.
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20150827 11:10:27< Soliton> and there i'd do the to_config() call just once since that's not so cheap i'd think.
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20150827 11:11:35< Soliton> then there's not much repetition left in the foreach loops.
20150827 11:12:20< Soliton> if you still want to factor that out a helper function would be the way to go though.
20150827 11:13:13< zookeeper> Soliton, well, the drains block is outside the update_display_ section. but yeah, the to_config call can be made only once...
20150827 11:13:39< Soliton> my question would be whether that config serialization is necessary in the first place since it's going to get deserialized at whereever it goes to presumably.
20150827 11:14:18< Soliton> zookeeper: just add a bool flag to record that drain happened.
20150827 11:14:53< zookeeper> or, rather, i'll just check if drains_damage > 0
20150827 11:15:05< Soliton> even better.
20150827 11:15:13< Soliton> it's bad to mix display/sound stuff in with the game logic.
20150827 11:15:43< Soliton> and it's not needed at all when the ai for example is just testing out moves.
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20150827 11:44:18< gfgtdf> zookeeper: why do you call to_config() ?
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20150827 11:45:10< zookeeper> gfgtdf, because of what i do with it..?
20150827 11:45:27< gfgtdf> zookeeper: you sure there is no other way ?
20150827 11:45:31< zookeeper> no
20150827 11:45:44< zookeeper> if you do know of one, please tell :p
20150827 11:46:05< gfgtdf> zookeeper: to_config shoudl usualy never be used for tzhose things, it has a lot of overhad becasue it also seializeed other thigns taht you dont need
20150827 11:46:35< gfgtdf> zookeeper: the attacker_stats->weapon obejct sure has a way to get teh specialy directly, and if not you can add a method
20150827 11:47:33< gfgtdf> specials*
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20150827 11:48:10< zookeeper> i did not find another way
20150827 11:50:24< gfgtdf> zookeeper: look at the definition of the attacker_stats->weapon object, and look for a method that returns the specials it that doesnt work, search for a membervariable that sotred that speclas and ad da getter to it
20150827 11:50:59< gfgtdf> zookeeper: the definition of attacker_stats->weapon s type
20150827 11:52:28< zookeeper> i don't see how that could work
20150827 11:53:21< gfgtdf> zookeeper: what exactly is unclear?
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20150827 11:55:05< zookeeper> getting the contents of the sound= key without introducing tons of pointless extra code to add struct/class member variables to hold it
20150827 11:55:10< zookeeper> etc
20150827 11:57:39< gfgtdf> zookeeper: no the point is that in the c++ code you should only operate on config objects if really nessecary is ualyl muhc better to have c++ structs with fields, so for exmapel you should never write unit.to_config["hitpoints"] if you also write unit.hitpoints()
20150827 11:58:06< gfgtdf> same is true for attacker_stats->weapon whihc is of type attack_type
20150827 11:59:16< gfgtdf> s/ualyl muhc/usually much
20150827 12:00:28< zookeeper> what really pains me every time i as much as glance at the codebase is how half of the code looks like pointless and hard-to-follow boilerplate of passing the same hard-coded sets of values around instead of just always getting them from the source cfg when needed
20150827 12:01:49< gfgtdf> zookeeper: gettign then from source config is a slow beasue it needs s tring lookup.
20150827 12:02:14< gfgtdf> zookeeper: also you usualyl dont want to pass config object around since you never know whats in there which makes the code ver yhard to read
20150827 12:04:01< zookeeper> if a string lookup for configs are "too slow" then surely someone really messed up somewhere
20150827 12:04:51< gfgtdf> zookeeper: string lookups are always slowcompared to normal variables
20150827 12:05:00< zookeeper> obviously
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20150827 12:46:26< Soliton> another disadvantage of using configs all the time is that the compiler will not catch any typos you make when getting some value/tag from the config. instead you'd get the nice "WML child missing" error at runtime.
20150827 12:48:50< Soliton> and you'd have a hard time figuring out what input and output of some function is if they take and return configs.
20150827 12:53:29< zookeeper> well you'd have to be _very_ sloppy to get typos in those and then also not catch it when testing :P
20150827 12:55:42< Soliton> right, don't let the computer help you catch errors just make sure to not make any mistakes yourself.
20150827 12:56:19< Soliton> works so well that we still have "WML child missing" errors.
20150827 12:57:04< zookeeper> well, if the latter is less trouble than the former...
20150827 12:58:42< Soliton> i guess it depends if you just want to implement lots of features that worked once or have less features that keep on working.
20150827 12:59:30< Soliton> no need for c++ for the former though. might as well use some simpler scripting language.
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20150827 13:29:45< irker935> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 2fb119d9646a / src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): revert 'option to disable most of spmp patch' http://git.io/vGJqP
20150827 13:33:53< vultraz> gfgtdf: is it possible to have toplevel [event]s or will we only have [campaign] [event]? 
20150827 13:43:54< gfgtdf> vultraz: that commit only introduces [event] inside [campaign] but shadowm suggested to have toplevel [event]s instead so it might change.
20150827 13:45:35< vultraz> Yes I agree toplevel [event]s would be good
20150827 13:46:11< vultraz> Best to keep [campaign] campaign metadata only
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20150827 14:12:10< travis-ci> wesnoth/wesnoth#7219 (master - 2fb119d : gfgtdf): The build was broken.
20150827 14:12:10< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/77501051
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20150827 17:28:23< celticminstrel> Yay, comments.
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20150827 20:16:26< zookeeper> okay, so... WRT the sounds and configs etc, i can either keep the current method of getting the config (once) and accessing it, or i guess i could add status sounds to [game_config] [sounds]
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20150827 20:18:37< zookeeper> (i'd very much prefer the former since it's more straightforward and compartmentalized and less clumsy)
20150827 20:18:52< celticminstrel> I'm not sure what this is all about.
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20150827 20:43:02< gfgtdf> shikadibot: seen libkap
20150827 20:43:02< shikadibot> gfgtdf: Sorry, I don't know of libkap.
20150827 20:43:06< gfgtdf> shikadibot: seen lipkap
20150827 20:43:06< shikadibot> gfgtdf: Sorry, I don't know of lipkap.
20150827 20:43:09< gfgtdf> shikadibot: seen lipkab
20150827 20:43:09< shikadibot> gfgtdf: The person with the nick lipkab last spoke 4d 4h ago.  2d 13h ago they left with the message: Quit: Leaving
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20150827 23:48:04< LakeFlake> I am having some trouble compiling wesnorth on Mac OSX using the instructions from the website.
20150827 23:48:37< LakeFlake> Im getting a linker error “library not found for -lboost_filesystemw”
20150827 23:49:43< LakeFlake> I have downloaded, and unziped ‘wesnorth_compile_mac_1.13.2.zip’ and several others of that flavor.
20150827 23:49:50< LakeFlake> Where do I find the boost_filesystemw lib ?
20150827 23:50:27< mattsc> LakeFlake: it is inside that zip file you mentioned
20150827 23:59:32< LakeFlake> Ok, the original ‘wesnorth_compile_mac_1.13’ had it, but the other one ‘wesnorth_compile_mac_1.13_before_x_y_z’ did not. So … the other files are minor updates ?
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