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20150826 02:23:41< Gyra> meep
20150826 02:25:58< aeth> well that was a fun game, completely different area of the map (mostly new, in the north)
20150826 02:26:31< aeth> I think the map is basically done for now
20150826 02:26:34< aeth> Gyra: meep meep
20150826 02:27:39< Gyra> did you say maps
20150826 02:28:05< Gyra> because i am in the business of looking for 3p and 4p maps and have no idea which ones to get
20150826 02:28:25< Gyra> and those on the addon server seem by and large highly gimmicky
20150826 02:28:50< aeth> I think most of my maps in my map pack are 4p-5p... I haven't updated it for 1.12 yet.
20150826 02:29:16< aeth> It's mostly gimmicky because no one plays the non-gimmicky stuff. I have some traditional 4p FFAs in there but I think most people just played the 3v1 one
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20150826 10:25:35< mg__> http://units.wesnoth.org/1.12/mainline/en_US/Vampire%20Bat.html says Vamp bat needs 22 XP to advance
20150826 10:25:45< mg__> Game says Vamp bat needs 15 XP to advance
20150826 10:25:57< mg__> Does the official unit tree contain errors?
20150826 10:30:28< Ravana_> check your game xp multiplier
20150826 10:30:44< Ravana_> also, scenarios can directly modify units
20150826 10:33:21< zookeeper> yeah you're probably just playing with the usual 70% XP modifier
20150826 10:35:02< mg__> me foo
20150826 10:35:04< mg__> *fool
20150826 10:35:09< mg__> yes, you were right
20150826 10:35:41< mg__> i didn't know multiplayer XP affectes what is shown in help
20150826 10:36:09< mg__> BTW if dread bat is at the end of its evolution tree
20150826 10:36:19< mg__> why does it need 100XP to AMLA rather then 150?
20150826 10:36:46< Ravana_> convention for default amlas seems to be level*50
20150826 10:39:35< mg__> thanks
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20150826 11:20:55< mg__> Can AI look through shroud?
20150826 11:21:12< mg__> I *think* it can
20150826 11:22:42< mg__> I made a map with six villages, each next to another. Started a 1v1 local game with shroud, droided both sides - the second one was stuck in cave walls, however.
20150826 11:23:12< mg__> The first side prompty took the vils and did not bother to scout the rest of the map
20150826 11:23:54< mg__> Then I modified the map, adding six more vils, placing them in such way that the first side could not see them due to shroud
20150826 11:24:42< mg__> The first side promptly took the first six vils, then rushed exactly in the direction of the other six vils, even though it shouldn't be able to see them
20150826 11:25:00< mg__> It took those other six vils, then it became idle
20150826 11:25:49< mg__> Is it possible to enforce shroud / fog to actually take any effect on AI sides?
20150826 11:27:07< Soliton> ai cannot generally see through shroud. it will know certain targets like villages and the enemy leader.
20150826 11:28:17< mg__> OK, but why?
20150826 11:28:26< mg__> Why isn't AI forced to scout the shrouded map?
20150826 11:28:38< mg__> To unfold vils?
20150826 11:29:15< zookeeper> because no one has made it work like that
20150826 11:30:14< zookeeper> i imagine it'd be pretty tricky to make the AI understand the concept of scouting and make good guesses as to which areas it should try to scout as opposed to just mindlessly trying to uncover all shroud
20150826 11:33:45< mg__> what's wrong with making ai mindlessly trying to uncover all shroud, and change its priorities to regular fighting / taking vils as soon as it actually finds anything?
20150826 11:34:57< zookeeper> good question. i don't know :p
20150826 11:35:01< Soliton> someone needs to implement it.
20150826 11:38:49< mg__> If ai sees nothing, let it mindlessly try uncover all shroud. If ai sees just vils, let it trouble a few of its nearby units to take those vils, other units still mindlessly trying to uncover all shroud. If it sees enemies, all units rush to the brawl. As simple as that.
20150826 11:40:54< mg__> (rush to the brawl means ignore uncovering shroud, apply regular ai tactics)
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20150826 15:01:49< benjam> is there a scheduled downtime right now for wesnoth.org?
20150826 15:04:33< celmin|sleep> There hasn't been any announcement of such a thing.
20150826 15:06:06< benjam> forums.wesnoth.org shows something that should probably not exist?
20150826 15:06:44< celmin|sleep> wiki.wesnoth.org also has a database error.
20150826 15:07:03< celmin|sleep> Homepage is up though.
20150826 15:07:17< celmin|sleep> So maybe the database server crashed.
20150826 15:08:00< benjam> then there would be another message afaik - like database server not reachable
20150826 15:08:22< celmin|sleep> Maybe.
20150826 15:08:32< celmin|sleep> That would make more sense, certainly.
20150826 15:21:13< benjam> http://status.wesnoth.org/, which monitors the services, does not detect the outage of the wiki (can someone confirm please?)
20150826 15:25:33< celmin|sleep> Yeah, it doesn't seem to be detecting it.
20150826 15:30:23< benjam> Thank you celmin. I hope this is useful for the admins.
20150826 15:32:05< benjam> btw i waited 2 refreshing periods on the status site, so it is probably not a pebkac
20150826 15:38:50< benjam> screenshot of error occurring at forums.wesnoth.org http://i.imgur.com/rmUi6LX.png?1
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20150826 15:48:16< Soliton> wiki and forum should be back.
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20150826 20:29:48< maxmurder> anybody know what the dependency uri is? or a list of deps?
20150826 20:29:56< maxmurder> trying to compile on mint
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20150826 20:38:48< shadowm> maxmurder: sudo apt-get build-dep wesnoth
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20150826 20:39:42< shadowm> Depending on which is the lastest version of Wesnoth in the distribution's repository compared to the version you want to build, you may need to install a few additional packages. Also, that command will only work if you have enabled source repositories in the software center/your apt configuration.
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20150826 20:42:10< maxmurder> ah... i think i forgot to enable the sources... (keeps getting "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" even tho i have)
20150826 20:43:55< shadowm> Those are unique to each Debian-based distribution but they are usually the same as the normal repositories, except declared using `deb-src` instead of `deb`.
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20150826 20:47:44< maxmurder> cool looks like it is working now
20150826 20:47:46< maxmurder> thanks!
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20150826 21:43:55< maxmurder> hmm any hints on getting the boost random library. I have installed libboost1.54-all-dev but scons cant seem to see it
20150826 21:44:39< shadowm> maxmurder: Did you try scons --config=force after installing that?
20150826 21:45:46< maxmurder> aha that seem to have dont the tricl
20150826 21:46:16< maxmurder> ty
20150826 21:46:33< shadowm> No prob. :)
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