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20150831 02:00:31< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) (RT @JetrelArt) Smells like .... victory:   https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/514621648/tower-57 [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/638169462294904832 ]
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20150831 03:24:25< triplc> hi all
20150831 03:24:52< vultraz> hi
20150831 03:25:10< triplc> i notice that when i run wesnoth (only wesnoth on linux, no other appls) the RAM goes up very high
20150831 03:25:35< triplc> as high as 5.5G+ (total RAM=8G)
20150831 03:25:59< triplc> much higher than running Skyrim on Wine
20150831 03:26:02< shadowm> Do you have any add-ons installed? Which add-ons?
20150831 03:26:15< triplc> add-ons, yes, alot
20150831 03:26:27< triplc> most of those big add-ons
20150831 03:26:57< triplc> but i think an add-on should be loaded only when it is used
20150831 03:26:59< triplc> right?
20150831 03:27:16< celticminstrel> No.
20150831 03:27:32< shadowm> MP add-ons are loaded all at once the moment you enter MP mode, for example.
20150831 03:27:37< celticminstrel> A campaign is loaded only when you're playing the campaign.
20150831 03:27:41< triplc> there is no meaning to load all a compain senarios if the campaign is not played
20150831 03:27:56< triplc> well.
20150831 03:28:01< celticminstrel> But what shadowm said - all installed MP add-ons are loaded the moment you enter MP mode.
20150831 03:28:10< shadowm> It is possible to botch a campaign's code and cause it to become a resource hog even if not selected in the Campaigns menu.
20150831 03:28:20< celticminstrel> Yeah, campaign scenarios are generally not loaded in MP mode.
20150831 03:28:26< triplc> MP requires a lot add-ons
20150831 03:28:32 * celticminstrel nods.
20150831 03:28:38< triplc> Ageless + Ageless_II + etc.
20150831 03:28:50< triplc> otherwise cannot join those games
20150831 03:29:50< triplc> aye... somehow optimization is required, somewhere
20150831 03:30:14< triplc> currently the game need more RAM than even Skyrim (Skyrim with mods, too)
20150831 03:30:31< celticminstrel> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42966&sid=8cc6dcb6de2b7d3c00e313c853c129fe
20150831 03:30:39< triplc> (and Skyrim is on Wine, a windows emulation)
20150831 03:30:39< celticminstrel> ...wait, why is there an sid there.
20150831 03:30:47< celticminstrel> http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42966
20150831 03:31:06< triplc> i see
20150831 03:31:08< shadowm> Wine is not an emulator. :p
20150831 03:31:26< triplc> yeah i know that 'definition'
20150831 03:31:47< shadowm> It's more like an incomplete alternative implementation of the most commonly used set of Windows APIs.
20150831 03:33:28< shadowm> It doesn't seem like Ageless Era should cause problems outside MP. In MP, however, it's been a major resource hog since ages.
20150831 03:36:43< aeth> triplc: what I do is I create subdirectories within the add-ons folder, and move add-ons there when I'm not using them (for performance reasons)
20150831 03:37:02< aeth> Wesnoth doesn't read add-ons that are moved into subdirectories and that way I don't waste resources for things I'm not currently using.
20150831 03:37:31< aeth> e.g. Bob The Mighty's stuff are huge because they use lots of macros, so I usually don't have them enabled.
20150831 03:37:46< aeth> It would be *great* if this were like many games and you could enable/disable add-ons without a hack like this.
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20150831 03:39:37< triplc> aeth: thanks
20150831 03:40:15< aeth> triplc: It sometimes doesn't detect add-ons when you move them out of a directory. It doesn't for me currently, but others say it works fine. If it doesn't work, just download a tiny add-on and then refresh and it should work.
20150831 03:42:26< aeth> (By move them out I mean move them back to the add-on directory.)
20150831 03:42:35< triplc> yeah...
20150831 03:42:41< celticminstrel> aeth: http://forums.wesnoth.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=42966
20150831 03:42:47< triplc> but those stuff have dependencies
20150831 03:43:10< triplc> for me, manually maintaining those stuff is ways too hard
20150831 03:43:17< triplc> anyway
20150831 03:43:45< aeth> triplc: I group them in directories
20150831 03:43:55< triplc> i see
20150831 03:43:55< aeth> so e.g. everything by Bob The Mighty is in something called "Bob"
20150831 03:43:59< aeth> no need to worry about dependencies there
20150831 03:45:16< aeth> celticminstrel: proposals don't help provide current workarounds
20150831 03:45:43< celticminstrel> Needs attention though. >_>
20150831 03:48:18< triplc> aye... not easy, i am trying to move.. but i notice that,...
20150831 03:48:32< triplc> if i do that, the 'update' function wont work
20150831 03:49:00< triplc> that's a problem, because when MP, they always require LATEST era
20150831 03:49:08< aeth> triplc: it's two steps
20150831 03:49:20< aeth> (1) move it back to the top level, (2) update
20150831 03:49:35< triplc> http://addons.wesnoth.org/1.12/ <-- manually do this is very tedious
20150831 03:49:40< aeth> Updating iirc actually can count as a download so if there are updates I don't think you need to download something small just to update the cache
20150831 03:50:14< aeth> of course it's very tedious
20150831 03:51:12< aeth> Wesnoth's a poorly designed game. (Commercial games are also poorly designed, though. I've had issues with games on Steam too.)
20150831 03:51:21< aeth> (I guess software in general is terrible.)
20150831 03:51:59< shadowm> aeth: Could you please file a bug about the cache issue if you haven't already?
20150831 03:52:55< aeth> shadowm: I have no clue what the cache issue is, I just know it doesn't detect it until you also download something
20150831 03:53:15< shadowm> You just described it.
20150831 03:53:32< shadowm> Several times, in fact.
20150831 03:54:15< triplc> well
20150831 03:54:25< triplc> i decide just to delete some add-ons
20150831 03:54:38< triplc> not moving around (so head-ache)
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20150831 05:34:38< janebot> Tweet (by @Wesnoth) (RT @shikadilord) Talking of overpowered stuff: http://i.imgur.com/AYOprnB.png #Wesnoth [ https://twitter.com/Wesnoth/status/638223346677772289 ]
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20150831 05:35:49< shadowm> Oh man I was retweeted this is totally unexpected and I didn't see it coming.
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