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20150903 00:05:53< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master e098ef180dd7 / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ca_fast_attack_utils.lua: Fast Micro AI: add new set attack utility functions http://git.io/vGD6k
20150903 00:05:55< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master ac3b9e6325e7 / data/ai/micro_ais/cas/ca_fast_combat.lua: Fast MAI: use the new attack utility functions http://git.io/vGD6I
20150903 00:08:01< celticminstrel> ...so that means I need to obtain SDL2 somehow. Sigh.
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20150903 00:09:09< mattsc> gfgtdf: yes, that fixed it, thanks!
20150903 00:09:39< celticminstrel> Is there a configuration setting that enables building with SDL2 instead of SDL1?
20150903 00:10:00< celticminstrel> Or do I just sub in headers/libs?
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20150903 00:10:43< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/78492774
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20150903 00:13:41< mattsc> Ugh, this quit confirmation dialog is annoying.  ;)
20150903 00:14:36< celticminstrel> <_<
20150903 00:15:35< mattsc> I’m noticing that I am so used to just use mcd-q to quit, that I am often on a different desktop already when I notice that Wesnoth is still open  :)
20150903 00:17:31< mattsc> celticminstrel: not really a complaint, it’s just amazing how you get used to certain sequences and then do them automatically without even thinking
20150903 00:21:28< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 3ae127dcb537 / data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/scenario_micro_ai.cfg: Micro AI test scenario: fix broken image path http://git.io/vGDPM
20150903 00:23:43< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 819687ac1c21 / projectfiles/Xcode/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Xcode project update for 1.12.4 http://git.io/vGDX6
20150903 00:24:18< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:1.12 f749bbdb0bc1 / data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/scenario_micro_ai.cfg: Micro AI test scenario: fix broken image path http://git.io/vGDXQ
20150903 00:27:58< mattsc> celticminstrel: you’re not actively waiting for anything else from me at the moment, are you?
20150903 00:28:19< mattsc> (Not talking about the macports script, that’s why the “actively” is in the sentence)
20150903 00:28:47< celticminstrel> No.
20150903 00:30:07< mattsc> Okay, good.  I’ll get going on the script pretty soon, I’ve been distracted by Fred so far…
20150903 00:30:48< mattsc> Actually, I need to start by installing 10.6 on one of my old almost-dead computers.
20150903 00:38:41< celticminstrel> Fred?
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20150903 01:11:29< mattsc> Freelands orc custom AI Fred
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20150903 01:13:35< mattsc> You should test him some time and let me know if he’s fun to play against.  ;)
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20150903 01:26:00< travis-ci> Build details : https://travis-ci.org/wesnoth/wesnoth/builds/78498691
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20150903 01:54:16< mattsc> celticminstrel: would you mind testing something for me really quickly?
20150903 01:54:53< celticminstrel> Uh... what is it?
20150903 01:55:00< mattsc> Could you start the MAI test scenario from the commandline with: ./Wesnoth -t micro_ai_test
20150903 01:55:10< celticminstrel> Oh.
20150903 01:55:18< celticminstrel> I'm betting it'll crash.
20150903 01:55:19< mattsc> and see if the labels disappear after the screen blacks out and comes back at the beginning of the player’s turn?
20150903 01:55:26< mattsc> no, no crash  :)
20150903 01:55:37< mattsc> in master, that is
20150903 01:55:52< celticminstrel> Well, the default test scenario crashes.
20150903 01:57:04< mattsc> For me, the labels are there at the opening message, they disappear when the screen blacks out (as they should), but then they are not redrawn afterward until I scroll the map.
20150903 01:58:05< mattsc> That actually happens with all maps that have labels for me, IIRC, this one’s just the easiest and quickest to test that I can think of right now
20150903 01:59:11< mattsc> Ah, yes, for example the same happens in the default test scenario (which does not crash for me)
20150903 01:59:49< celticminstrel> It crashes when I end the turn, as I recall.
20150903 02:00:20< celticminstrel> I can test, but it won't be that quick. It'll probably take at least ten minutes to compile.
20150903 02:01:09< celticminstrel> Whenever I switch branches there's usually at least 200 files that need to be recompiled.
20150903 02:01:53< mattsc> celticminstrel: oh, this isn’t recent; and version of master should behave like that
20150903 02:01:59< mattsc> I’d just  forgotten about it
20150903 02:02:09< mattsc> s/and/any
20150903 02:05:52< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 334bbf631934 / data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/scenario_micro_ai.cfg: Micro AI test scenario: fix a menu item id http://git.io/vGyei
20150903 02:05:54< irker471> wesnoth: mattsc wesnoth:master 455a50e30baa / data/ai/micro_ais/scenarios/ (fast.cfg scenario_micro_ai.cfg): Add Fast Micro AI test scenario http://git.io/vGyeP
20150903 02:08:54< mattsc> celticminstrel: the default test scenario does not crash for me when I end the turn
20150903 02:16:36< celticminstrel> I moved the goblin to "Patrols" and Wesnoth immediately terminated.
20150903 02:17:12< celticminstrel> It doesn't look like a crash this time, though.
20150903 02:17:16< celticminstrel> No crash report dialog.
20150903 02:17:20< shadowm> mattsc: Do you know if there's a way to abort an attack sequence (e.g. in an 'attack' handler) without moving one of the participants to another location?
20150903 02:17:39< mattsc> celticminstrel: that’s the problem gfgtdf just fixed in his last commit there and hour or so ago
20150903 02:17:40< shadowm> Yes, this is a WML question in case it's not obvious.
20150903 02:17:46< celticminstrel> I think certain actions might abort it.
20150903 02:17:49< celticminstrel> Like messages.
20150903 02:17:56< shadowm> No, messages don't abort attacks.
20150903 02:17:57< celticminstrel> Though I'm not sure if that works in attack.
20150903 02:18:06< celticminstrel> It was in moveto that I was seeing that behaviour.
20150903 02:18:38< shadowm> moveto happens at the end of a movement action, so that's perfectly expected and obvious.
20150903 02:18:43< mattsc> shadowm: I have done a similarly dirty hack by changing the underlying id of the unit, but I think something like that is pretty much the only way, everything else will play out the sequence
20150903 02:18:57< shadowm> It's enter_hex/leave_hex that are supposed to take place *during* movement and which have some buggy behavior IIRC.
20150903 02:19:39< shadowm> mattsc: Thou shalt not take a unit's underlying_id in vain.
20150903 02:20:00< mattsc> shadowm: indeed …
20150903 02:20:02< shadowm> No, seriously, don't do it. You will shoot yourself in the foot at some point.
20150903 02:20:24< mattsc> I know; at the time it was the only thing I could find that worked though
20150903 02:20:30< shadowm> We might even decide to hide underlying_id from Lua/WML entirely in the future.
20150903 02:20:47< mattsc> No, wait, there’s something else.  Let me try to find it ...
20150903 02:21:14< shadowm> Perhaps just storing and unstoring a unit? Let me check.
20150903 02:22:04< shadowm> Nope.
20150903 02:22:35 * celticminstrel sigh.
20150903 02:22:47< celticminstrel> Maybe I can test it a bit later. :/
20150903 02:22:49< shadowm> Not with a different public id either.
20150903 02:22:51< mattsc> shadowm: yes, with a twist: https://github.com/mattsc/Galuldur-git/blob/master/Galuldur/scenarios/10_Final_Battle.cfg#L339
20150903 02:23:37< mattsc> Well, the two events _around_ that line, obviously
20150903 02:24:36< shadowm> Um...
20150903 02:25:37< shadowm> Oh.
20150903 02:25:47< shadowm> You remove the attacker from the map temporarily.
20150903 02:27:11< mattsc> right, until the attack end event
20150903 02:27:58< mattsc> IIRC, you cannot see that visually, it’s too fast, but it’s been a while ...
20150903 02:28:33< shadowm> I did it to the second unit and you do see the HP bar disappear for an instant.
20150903 02:29:01< mattsc> okay, I don’t remember …
20150903 02:29:02< shadowm> It's very quick, so most people wouldn't notice I guess. Anyway, I suppose this will work for me needs, thanks. :p
20150903 02:29:43< mattsc> Great!
20150903 02:30:23< mattsc> I do remember that I tried a lot of things and eventually settled on this.  So even if it isn’t perfect, it’s the best I could come up with.
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20150903 02:35:56< mattsc> celticminstrel: sorry, I somehow missed your reply there.
20150903 02:36:33< mattsc> I was only wondering whether the labels in the scenario with all the signposts where there for you right after the map comes back from being blacked out.
20150903 02:39:50< mattsc> Or, actually, even easier, what about the first scenario of The South Guard?
20150903 02:40:23< mattsc> Right after the screen gets blacked out for the “it’s xxx’s turn” dialog, the map looks like this: imgur.com/I1GQOS5
20150903 02:40:44< mattsc> http://imgur.com/I1GQOS5
20150903 02:40:57< mattsc> Then, after I scroll the map, the label at the river fort is back:
20150903 02:41:18< mattsc> http://imgur.com/UKIsFU8
20150903 02:41:43< mattsc> Does that happen for anybody else?
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20150903 02:51:19< celticminstrel> I'm not seeing any problems with the label in TSG, but maybe I'm not looking for the right things.
20150903 02:52:02< mattsc> Hmm, okay — the screen goes black for you for the turn dialog though, right?
20150903 02:52:22< celticminstrel> I didn't notice anything like that.
20150903 02:55:52< mattsc> I thought it was supposed to do that now; that’s what iceiceice (I think) told me at some point
20150903 03:03:28< mattsc> As in, during the player’s turn dialog, the map is now blacked out in SP.
20150903 03:03:37< mattsc> Anyways, I’ll pick this up again some other time, I have to be off now.
20150903 03:03:42< mattsc> Thanks and TTYL.
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20150903 07:53:47< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 282cfe38be29 / data/ (core/images/icons/amla-default.png core/macros/amla.cfg tools/wmllint): Added new default amla icon http://git.io/vGyFN
20150903 08:00:14< irker471> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master ed67f99f69e7 / data/core/images/items/barrel.png: Cleaned up a few stray semi-transparent pixels on the edge http://git.io/vGyNq
20150903 08:07:10< irker471> wesnoth: Elvish_Hunter wesnoth:master cb3c5b9c451d / data/tools/GUI.pyw: GUI.pyw: focus doesn't follow the mouse any more http://git.io/vGyA7
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20150903 18:39:36< Aginor> so it turns out that my test environment for PR #466 was broken. Redoing my testing with only one system keyboard layout shows it working.
20150903 18:39:55< Aginor> shadowm: I believe https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/466 is ready for merge
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20150903 19:27:10< gfgtdf> Aginor: i thought teh last state was that teh hotkey display in teh preferences dialog is still borken ?
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20150903 20:37:44< Aginor> gfgtdf: no, I was wrong, it was never broken
20150903 20:38:00< Aginor> I stuffed up how I was testing things
20150903 20:38:20< gfgtdf> Aginor: your code wokrks with sdl 1.12 andsdl2 right ?
20150903 20:38:34< Aginor> SDL2 uses the default system keyboard, it works when there's only 1 around
20150903 20:38:37< Aginor> gfgtdf: yes
20150903 20:38:43< Aginor> hmm
20150903 20:39:01< Aginor> I only tested SDL2 this morning, I should re-test with 1.2 tonight as well too
20150903 20:41:49< Aginor> mind you, I don't think the hotkey changes should be brought into 1.12
20150903 20:42:04< Aginor> (I'm at work now so I won't do anything further)
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20150903 20:51:09< celticminstrel> Is there any particular reason to not start moving to C++11? By this I simply mean setting it to compile as C++11 and maybe slowly updating old code.
20150903 20:52:21< Aginor> celticminstrel: you will abandon older osx versions and older visual studio versions, as well as older linux distributions
20150903 20:52:35< Aginor> older compilers won't have full support
20150903 20:52:40< celticminstrel> Yeah, i suppose it could cause problems with OSX 10.6.
20150903 20:53:11< celticminstrel> Here on 10.7 my clang supports most of it, I think.
20150903 20:53:14< celticminstrel> Not all, though.
20150903 20:53:51< Aginor> celticminstrel: in fact, MSVC doesn't have full c++11 support
20150903 20:53:55< celticminstrel> Older versions will have to be abandoned eventually.
20150903 20:53:57< Aginor> http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/compiler_support
20150903 20:54:13< celticminstrel> MSVC 2012 (the version I have) supports most of it as well. Not all though, again.
20150903 20:54:26< Aginor> my bad, I read diagonally
20150903 20:54:37< celticminstrel> ?
20150903 20:55:06< celticminstrel> I think my clang is roughly equivalent to 3.1 or 3.0, or maybe even 2.x.
20150903 20:55:10< Aginor> MSVC is good, for new versions, I misread the HPUX compiler
20150903 20:55:19< Aginor> --version might tell you
20150903 20:55:34< celticminstrel> Oh, "based on LLVM 3.2svn".
20150903 20:55:34< Aginor> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh567368.aspx#featurelist
20150903 20:55:49< gfgtdf> what is hpux ?
20150903 20:55:50< celticminstrel> Full version string is "Apple LLVM version 4.2 (clang-425.0.28) (based on LLVM 3.2svn)"
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20150903 20:56:11< Aginor> gfgtdf: unix OS
20150903 20:56:19< Aginor> very enterprise
20150903 20:57:14< celticminstrel> So I guess I have everything except inheriting constructors, thread-local storage, and attributes (and I already knew that last one was missing).
20150903 20:57:38< celticminstrel> And I think my MSCV is version 12, so...
20150903 20:58:05< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: is there any compiler who has a useful attribute cincept inplemented ?
20150903 20:58:35< gfgtdf> inherting constructors is a really usrufl feature i think though
20150903 21:00:24< celticminstrel> It's missing constexpr (again, I already encountered that lack) and alignof, variadic macros (and maybe some other preprocessor things), inline namespaces, inheriting constructors, character types (I guess that means the unicode character types?), raw string literals, user-defined literals, thread-local storage, unrestricter unions, attributes, ref-qualifiers... and only has partial support for r-value references...
20150903 21:00:52< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: Uhh... what do you mean? GCC has had an attribute concept implemented for ages.
20150903 21:01:11< celticminstrel> Oh, my MSVC apparently doesn't have noexcept either.
20150903 21:01:25< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: and how does it works meaning what types can attribbutes have how can you read attributes
20150903 21:01:25< celticminstrel> Still, I'm not planning to do wesnoth on MSVC anytime soon.
20150903 21:01:47< Aginor> I think it's a policy decision of what environments you want to support development on, but it has potentially big effects
20150903 21:01:53< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: Um, I'm pretty sure you can't read attributes, and it's not just types that have them.
20150903 21:02:12< Aginor> celticminstrel: there's a bunch of windows developers that use MSVC for wesnoth
20150903 21:02:22< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: hmm i cant rally read the use of attributes that can be written but not read
20150903 21:02:30< celticminstrel> Whast versions?
20150903 21:03:11< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: They declare things about whatever they're attached to, like "this is a printf-style function" or "this function will never return" or "this type must be aligned on 16-bit word boundaries".
20150903 21:03:20< celticminstrel> ^What
20150903 21:03:25< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: hm  ok
20150903 21:03:41< celticminstrel> They're nothing like Java annotations.
20150903 21:04:19< Aginor> celticminstrel: I don't know exactly, but old
20150903 21:04:38< celticminstrel> The included project is VC9, so I'd guess probably not older than that.
20150903 21:04:51< celticminstrel> But I doubt VC9 has any C++11 support...
20150903 21:05:14< Aginor> yeah
20150903 21:05:25< celticminstrel> I wonder if BOOST_FOREACH would expand to range-for loops when compiled as C++11.
20150903 21:05:52< Aginor> I doubt there will be c++11 support in wesnoth anytime soon
20150903 21:06:13< celticminstrel> I noticed one or two #ifdefs for C++11.
20150903 21:06:51< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: i currently still use msvc10 but i can mostlikeley update if needed
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20150903 21:33:29< gfgtdf> Aginor: i just tested your pr and saw that the hotkey display in teh prefereces dialog is broken with SDL 1.12 and windows7
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20150903 21:42:41< Aginor> gfgtdf: could you please elaborate?
20150903 21:42:48< Aginor> broken in which way?
20150903 21:43:24< gfgtdf> Aginor: the key on my keyboard which has Z printed on it shows up as Y in the perferences dialog.
20150903 21:45:42< gfgtdf> Aginor: you have the keybard.cpp file copied form somewhere ?
20150903 21:48:12< Aginor> gfgtdf: what's your keyboard layout? German?
20150903 21:48:21< gfgtdf> Aginor: yes
20150903 21:48:37< Aginor> do you have multiple input methods?
20150903 21:50:34< gfgtdf> Aginor: no
20150903 21:52:09< Aginor> and with SDL2?
20150903 21:52:21< gfgtdf> Aginor: i dont know
20150903 21:52:33< Aginor> would you be able to test?
20150903 21:52:52< gfgtdf> Aginor: no soon
20150903 21:56:02< gfgtdf> Aginor: but acrtuyll i cannot see any code that checks for teh keyboard layout in sdl/keyboard.cpp so im not surprised.
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20150903 22:10:54< shadowm> Oh my god.
20150903 22:11:03< shadowm> https://github.com/blog/2051-protected-branches-and-required-status-checks
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20150903 22:14:38< gfgtdf> Aginor: i think its likeley that it'll work in SDL2
20150903 22:17:52< shadowm> I've made all stable branches and master protected.
20150903 22:19:11< gfgtdf> shadowm: i wouldnt use required status checks, i suppose it makes the merging process quite annoying
20150903 22:19:32< shadowm> I enabled that too for 1.12 and master.
20150903 22:20:31< shadowm> If the test failure rate didn't go magically down after aquileia switched us to trusty earlier then I'll disable it.
20150903 22:20:42< shadowm> (The status checks, not the branch protection.)
20150903 22:22:01< gfgtdf> shadowm: i think even if we dont falso positive travis errors, it stille means that you have to keep update pr branch everytime an new commit is pushed to master and then waiting ~30 min for teh travis check
20150903 22:23:10< shadowm> The first point has always been the case, you can't merge conflicting branches from the web. As for the latter, that's a good thing.
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20150903 22:23:43< gfgtdf> ?
20150903 22:24:52< shadowm> ?
20150903 22:25:08< shadowm> I'm not sure which part of what I said seems unclear to you.
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