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20150905 01:41:19< celticminstrel> shadowm: movetype branch updated
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20150905 02:58:22< shadowm> celticminstrel: Update the wiki now! ;)
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20150905 02:58:24< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master b1d4a600499d / src/unit_types.cpp: Add a means to patch resistances for custom damage types into existing movetypes http://git.io/vGx6j
20150905 02:58:24< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master f689636437ba / src/unit_types.cpp: Add default key to movetype resistance patching http://git.io/vGxie
20150905 02:58:25< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master b06e9a56564e / src/unit_types.cpp: Add formula support to movetype resistance patching http://git.io/vGxiv
20150905 02:58:26< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master fe21b78d561a / src/unit_types.cpp: Missed formula support in the default tag in movetype patching http://git.io/vGxif
20150905 02:58:27< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 32a37c12adff / src/unit_types.cpp: All the stuff for movetype patching to actually work http://git.io/vGxiJ
20150905 02:58:28< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master d922914a2042 / src/unit_types.cpp: Better code reuse http://git.io/vGxiU
20150905 02:58:30< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master af7fa754ffc1 / src/unit_types.cpp: Support for terrain defense/cost movetype patching http://git.io/vGxiT
20150905 02:58:32< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master a6073b7c5c54 / src/unit_types.cpp: Tag/attribute name changes http://git.io/vGxik
20150905 02:58:34< irker032> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master e6d5562bb9d8 / changelog: Update changelog http://git.io/vGxiI
20150905 02:58:36< irker032> wesnoth: Ignacio R. Morelle wesnoth:master df087a96779b / changelog src/unit_types.cpp: Merge pull request #477 from CelticMinstrel/movetype http://git.io/vGxiL
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20150905 03:46:22< celticminstrel> Yay!
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20150905 04:44:58< shadowm> celticminstrel: Mind a PM?
20150905 04:45:09< celticminstrel> Uh, sure?
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20150905 06:48:42< shadowm> wedge009: I think you'd have loved NR's original prose, seeing as how you came across some traces of it for PR #483.
20150905 06:56:11< wedge009> shadowm: Original how so? I've long known there was an evil Tallin branch - shame it wasn't finished.
20150905 06:56:39< shadowm> That wasn't in the original version of NR either.
20150905 06:57:03< wedge009> So... it was good? Bad? Neither?
20150905 06:57:04< shadowm> I mean that the original prose had many more 'guys' and 'gonna' sprinkled all throughout.
20150905 06:57:28< shadowm> As well as other mainline-discordant constructs.
20150905 06:57:45< wedge009> Ah. I simply edited those out when it seemed appropriate. True, Tallin speaks more roughly than Eryssa but in that context it didn't sound right.
20150905 06:58:24< shadowm> That was very likely overlooked when ESR rewrote NR circa late 2006.
20150905 06:58:41< shadowm> Rewrote/revised.
20150905 06:59:15< wedge009> I tried to avoid changing stuff if I didn't have to. Only if it was obviously wrong or sounded irksome enough did I include it in the branch.
20150905 07:00:46< vultraz> I'm still debating the NR s10a change
20150905 07:00:55< vultraz> That sentence is confusing
20150905 07:03:25< wedge009> Yeah, that one got me as well.
20150905 07:05:15< wedge009> Without the Dwarvish/Scottish accent: 'No sooner had we thinned the ranks of the northern defenders *than* a small hardened group of trolls smashed...'
20150905 07:06:06< vultraz> What about 'that'
20150905 07:06:52< wedge009> Perhaps more clearly said as 'No sooner than we had thinned the ranks of the northern defenders, a small, hardened group of trolls smashed through the defences...'
20150905 07:07:15< wedge009> The break in the sentence falls between 'defenders' and 'a small'.
20150905 07:07:39< wedge009> Move the 'than' to the start of the sentence, to make the construct 'no sooner than' more sense.
20150905 07:08:10< wedge009> more clear, I mean.
20150905 07:10:51< vultraz> drop the 'had'
20150905 07:11:40< vultraz> hm..
20150905 07:11:43< wedge009> I think with or without are both fine, but okay, I'll drop it.
20150905 07:12:08< vultraz> I dunno, it still doesn't sound very organic
20150905 07:12:14< vultraz> But i can't figure out how to fix it >_>
20150905 07:12:25< wedge009> I wouldn't know how organic sounds like! XD
20150905 07:13:12< wedge009> "It was a ploy. Nae sooner than we thinned the ranks of the northern defenders, a small, hardened group of trolls smashed through the defenses and made their way straight for your gold."
20150905 07:14:15< vultraz> shadowm: had or no had?
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20150905 07:19:50< wedge009> Actually, I'm leaning more towards 'had thinned', but I'll defer to your choice.
20150905 07:20:28< vultraz> Eh...
20150905 07:20:38< vultraz> I think I'll backtrack on that, leave the 'had'
20150905 07:20:57< wedge009> So are we okay with this, then?
20150905 07:20:59< wedge009> "It was a ploy. Nae sooner than we ha’ thinned the ranks of the northern defenders, a small, hardened group of trolls smashed through the defenses and made their way straight for your gold."
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20150905 07:21:06< irker523> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master b796bde8df07 / po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated Japanese translation http://git.io/vGpv7
20150905 07:21:06< irker523> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:master 53680bf53e7a / / (29 files in 28 dirs): updated British English translation http://git.io/vGpv5
20150905 07:21:07< irker523> wesnoth: Nils Kneuper wesnoth:1.12 3920a9dca241 / po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated Japanese translation http://git.io/vGpvd
20150905 07:22:12< wedge009> Ooh, that was fast. Thanks, ivanovic.
20150905 07:24:01< Ivanovic> you just were lucky
20150905 07:24:12< Ivanovic> these days i basically bundle all updates and receive and work on it once a week
20150905 07:24:15< Ivanovic> ;)
20150905 07:25:46< wedge009> Good timing, then. I've been going through them since your first e-mail, so just finished today.
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20150905 07:36:37< vultraz> wedge009: btw, the geography.cfg change should be that and not then
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20150905 07:39:04< shadowm> vultraz: 'had'.
20150905 07:39:15< vultraz> Ok
20150905 07:39:17< vultraz> wedge009: ^
20150905 07:40:06< shadowm> As usual, with the disclaimer that I'm not a native speaker and Scottish English is well beyond my grasp.
20150905 07:45:45< Aginor> I should finish making those code changes
20150905 07:45:50< Aginor> but jetlag is horrible
20150905 07:45:54< Aginor> so tired...
20150905 07:46:15< wedge009> Go sleep. 8 pm is probably not a bad time to do so.
20150905 07:46:28< Aginor> wedge009: it's a bit early :D
20150905 07:46:35< Aginor> I'm aiming for 10
20150905 07:47:46< Ivanovic> Aginor: a colleague of mine who travels through time zones freaking often tends to just sleep when he is tired (at least when he is able to do so since it is after work hours / meetings)
20150905 07:47:50< wedge009> In the past I've been better with jetlag but when I got back from London in April, landing at 5 am, I only managed to stay awake till 4 pm. It didn't help that it was dark and rainy, no light to help keep me awake.
20150905 07:48:01< Ivanovic> so even if he feels tired at like 11am he just goes off to sleep
20150905 07:48:18< Ivanovic> but he also directly gets up when he wakes, no snuggling in because it "feels so good"
20150905 07:48:32< wedge009> I nap during the day anyway. But no more than half an hour or it breaks the sleep cycle.
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20150905 07:49:04< Ivanovic> wedge009: if the job is to travel through different timezones like 50% of the year you don't have a real sleep cycle anymore...
20150905 07:49:07< Ivanovic> ;)
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20150905 07:49:10< wedge009> vultraz: Fixed the geography one as well. That makes more sense, but a correction was still needed.
20150905 07:49:32< wedge009> Ivanovic: Fair enough. Bit hard to do that in an office, though.
20150905 07:49:44< Ivanovic> as mentioned, outside work hours
20150905 07:49:54< Ivanovic> besides: right now is saturday, most people got those off
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20150905 07:50:48< wedge009> Oh yes, missed the bit about outside work hours.
20150905 07:51:19< Ivanovic> that is he might have some meetings at 8pm local time on weekdays
20150905 07:51:46< Ivanovic> (thank god for flexible work times where you can actually say "enough for now, will have a late call anyway, heading home..." at say 2pm
20150905 07:53:40< wedge009> Did that last Tuesday. Needed to be on at 7-9 pm to support teams doing database patching after hours. That was fine, but then I got called at 1 am for something else entirely. x.x That, plus 12-hour work days on Thursday and Friday means I'm going to have a nap right now. (:
20150905 07:53:43< Aginor> Or conference calls across 4 timezones spanning 12 hours... there's no way to win with those. Ungodly early or terribly late.
20150905 07:54:17< Ivanovic> Aginor: jepp, those are fun
20150905 07:54:27< Aginor> no, they're not :)
20150905 07:55:28< Ivanovic> though personally i would also not have a problem just heading home when too tired (aka "dead") because of jetlag to grab some sleep
20150905 07:55:39< Ivanovic> of course trying to match it somehow in the meeting list
20150905 07:55:55< Aginor> Ivanovic: I don't think I've seen you around before, what areas of wesnoth is it you're working on? :)
20150905 07:56:12< Ivanovic> or checking if someone else in the team can take over the meeting so that i can just cancel it for me...
20150905 07:56:22< Ivanovic> Aginor: ah, i am one of the basically inactive oldtimers
20150905 07:56:28< Ivanovic> just check the credits
20150905 07:56:29< Ivanovic> ;)
20150905 07:56:47< Aginor> there's _a lot_ of people in the credits :D
20150905 07:57:01< Ivanovic> go to the website, hit ctrl+f and search my nick
20150905 07:57:06< Ivanovic> should be easy enough...
20150905 07:57:07< Ivanovic> ;)
20150905 07:57:48< Aginor> fair enough
20150905 07:58:20< Aginor> I think that's spying for one day
20150905 07:58:23< Aginor> thanks :)
20150905 07:58:30< Aginor> I wasn't sure if you were new or old
20150905 07:58:37< Ivanovic> more like ancient
20150905 07:58:53< Ivanovic> was around before 1.0
20150905 07:59:26< Ivanovic> and already release manager around that time
20150905 07:59:34< Aginor> fair enough
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20150905 17:39:20< zookeeper> celticminstrel, you wouldn't happen to be looking for a new very useful feature to write, would you?
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20150905 17:50:47< celticminstrel> Not actively, but feel free to suggest something?
20150905 17:50:55< celticminstrel> It might just catch my interest.
20150905 17:56:20< zookeeper> well, i was thinking of a [defense] ability tag, similar to [resistance]
20150905 17:57:45< zookeeper> it's such a common thing to have to make defense-modifying abilities by invisible [chance_to_hit] specials given to every attack of every unit
20150905 17:58:23< celticminstrel> Ah.
20150905 17:58:49< celticminstrel> I also liked vultraz's idea of a swarm-like ability that affects damage instead of strikes, but I have no idea what it would be called.
20150905 17:59:11< celticminstrel> Unless it was somehow shoved into swarm.
20150905 18:00:15< zookeeper> it'd make most sense in [swarm], but dunno if it'd be technically too complicated to have both in the same tag
20150905 18:00:51< zookeeper> anyway, i think the lack of a [defense] ability has been a thorn in every ability maker's side forever :p
20150905 18:01:13< celticminstrel> Maybe adding something like apply_to= to [swarm] would be enough.
20150905 18:02:23< celticminstrel> Though the existing keys of [swarm] would need to be deprecated then...
20150905 18:02:59< celticminstrel> I dunno if it'd be better to have it in [swarm] or as a separate ability.
20150905 18:03:25< celticminstrel> I also agree on [defense]. I was going to look at abilities anyway (for leadership) so maybe I'll do something there.
20150905 18:04:17< zookeeper> cool. UMC authors would undoubtedly shower you with virtual cookies
20150905 18:04:59< zookeeper> well, i would too
20150905 18:09:12< celticminstrel> I think there might still be a small issue with the movetype patching...
20150905 18:09:36< celticminstrel> Not one that makes it not work, just one that might produce unexpected effects.
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20150905 19:00:00< gfgtdf> zookeeper: here is a comment aout defence ability: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/blob/df9908932dbe7a049350b71a1a01cb4b4182792d/src/unit.cpp#L1464
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20150905 19:02:35< celticminstrel> I don't really get it.
20150905 19:02:42< celticminstrel> Too costly?
20150905 19:02:46< gfgtdf> zookeeper: also see this fr for a more general solution https://gna.org/bugs/?22596
20150905 19:02:59< gfgtdf> zookeeper: y thats what teh text said
20150905 19:03:15< gfgtdf> s/zookeeper/ celticminstrel 
20150905 19:03:24< celticminstrel> I was about to say.
20150905 19:03:40< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: too cotly usualy means too slow/ takes too much cpu
20150905 19:04:28< celticminstrel> I see...
20150905 19:19:45< zookeeper> gfgtdf, i wonder when that comment was made and whether it really applies today
20150905 19:20:58< gfgtdf> zookeeper: why shouldn't it still apply? Even if there were some refactors since that comment was made, its still likleley that the performance of that code hasn't changes.
20150905 19:21:55< zookeeper> i don't know
20150905 19:23:27< gfgtdf> zookeeper: actually you might know when that code was added since it was your feature request: https://gna.org/bugs/?11388
20150905 19:26:33< zookeeper> yeah i just found the old discussions about it
20150905 19:26:50< zookeeper> i had forgotten that it was actually implemented (in some, apparently buggy, form) once
20150905 19:27:15< zookeeper> also explains why i had such a clear memory of having written an FR like that even though i didn't see it
20150905 19:40:23< zookeeper> silene did it for the feral trait, but apparently it really was so performance-heavy for some reason that it slowed down AI turns a lot
20150905 19:41:43< zookeeper> and in the end we just came up with the "-" syntax (as in village=-50)
20150905 19:44:30< zookeeper> oh well...
20150905 19:45:30< zookeeper> celticminstrel, i guess you can safely forget about it :P
20150905 19:47:14< gfgtdf> zookeeper: im thinking about whether it'd make sense to implement https://gna.org/bugs/?22596 but i feaer this it might be slow for teh same reason
20150905 19:47:46< Aginor> what was the cause performance problem? - What caused the complexity to blow up so much?
20150905 19:48:24< gfgtdf> Aginor: mostlikeley that the function that gets/calculates teh defence is called very often
20150905 19:48:52< Aginor> gfgtdf: no result caching?
20150905 19:49:23< zookeeper> probably not, as the final value can vary according to... anything, really
20150905 19:49:34< Aginor> right
20150905 19:49:49< celticminstrel> Problem with result caching is that you need to know every possible thing that could change it.
20150905 19:50:00< Aginor> I need to look at all the AI stuff at some point to learn how it's implemented
20150905 19:50:37< celticminstrel> 22596 would be hooked in at a completely different point, so I suspect it'd be less slow/complicated.
20150905 19:52:53< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: hmm maybe
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20150905 20:37:31< fabi> hello
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20150905 20:48:56< gfgtdf> fabi: hi
20150905 20:49:14< gfgtdf> fabi: you have a plan on what do do about LoW?
20150905 20:51:28< fabi> gfgtdf: Yes. Usually. Do you have a more specific question?=
20150905 20:52:02< celticminstrel> XD
20150905 20:52:15< celticminstrel> Legend of Wesmere?
20150905 20:52:24< fabi> yes
20150905 20:57:51< shadowm> Hello, fabi.
20150905 20:59:13< gfgtdf> fabi: well yes, you said you had a lot of local uncommited changes, and i wonder whether they will ever be commited.
20150905 21:01:31< fabi> gfgtdf: Yes, there is some work to do. I have started the work on a 1.12 branch but introduced a lot of stuff which can't go into a stable release. So it needs to be ported to 1.14 and needs a lot of testing still. 
20150905 21:03:35< shadowm> fabi: Hi. How are you doing?
20150905 21:05:32< fabi> shadowm: I am fine. Thank you.
20150905 21:05:54< shadowm> So what brings you back here after so long? :p
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20150905 21:16:53< shadowm> celticminstrel: You have a PM awaiting in your forum PM inbox, as well as an email from GitHub.
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