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20151001 00:20:05< celticminstrel> Maybe you can get the terrain code with something like wesnoth.get_terrain?
20151001 00:21:25< celticminstrel> Ah, guess not.
20151001 00:21:53< celticminstrel> Why do you need strings like "frozen"?3
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20151001 00:32:27< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: b ecasue i need that format for effect]apply_to=defense
20151001 00:32:55< celticminstrel> Ah.
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20151001 01:46:48< vultraz> gfgtdf: I don't know sadly
20151001 01:47:02< vultraz> unit_defense might be extended, maybe...
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20151001 02:29:00< irker705> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 9ac120ab7df1 / data/multiplayer/factions/drakes-default.cfg: Add missing [ai] block to Drakes (default) faction (bug #23404) http://git.io/vc4B0
20151001 02:32:34< irker705> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:1.12 cafd94f18d46 / data/multiplayer/factions/drakes-default.cfg: Add missing [ai] block to Drakes (default) faction (bug #23404) http://git.io/vc4Bx
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20151001 08:53:59< vultraz> zookeeper: hm.. actually, are the new mountains supposed to be a new terrain or a replacement for the current try ones?
20151001 08:54:06< vultraz> dry*
20151001 08:54:21< vultraz> I assumed the latter, but the former is always an option I didn't consider
20151001 08:54:56< zookeeper> i originally thought that replacing the dry mountains with those would be bad because dry != desert, but at least in mainline the dry mountains are used in very few places
20151001 08:55:08< zookeeper> and the dry mountains were originally the desert mountains
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20151001 08:55:30< zookeeper> the old crappy desert mountains weren't removed, they were just turned into the dry mountains
20151001 08:56:08< zookeeper> so, historically speaking, if we replace dry with the new desert, then we're just returning to how it used to be.
20151001 08:56:56< vultraz> I see
20151001 08:57:03< zookeeper> of course in UMC land it's likely that someone's using the current dry mountains in such a way that the new desert mountains wouldn't fit, but... eh...
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20151001 08:58:19< vultraz> Doofus said we should just hold off on the 3x2/4x2 range size until we get feedback.
20151001 08:58:19< zookeeper> but it doesn't really cost anything to keep the current ones too, so i'm really not sure which way i lean more towards
20151001 08:58:37< vultraz> Personally I think it doesn't look that good without those
20151001 08:58:48< vultraz> And as I mentioned, it's not just a drop-in replacement
20151001 08:59:05< vultraz> For one, without those, maps won't look as good in large clusters
20151001 08:59:12< vultraz> s/in/with them in
20151001 08:59:26< zookeeper> whatever we do, the new ones don't need to have all size variations that other mountains do. whether the variations are needed for them to look good, i don't know.
20151001 09:01:05< vultraz> The reason for the long variations are to keep it from looking too 'noisy' at high density
20151001 09:01:49< vultraz> These new mountains have more going on at smaller densities, which make the other variations more necessary 
20151001 09:02:07< zookeeper> maybe, i haven't really stared at them for long
20151001 09:03:25< vultraz> Could you weigh in on the thread?
20151001 09:04:45< zookeeper> not right now, maybe later
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20151001 10:10:48< irker720> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master dd0b2104a5a1 / data/core/macros/ (deprecated-utils.cfg utils.cfg): Deprecated MENU_IMG_TXT and MENU_IMG_TXT2 http://git.io/vcB5T
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20151001 11:05:17< Aginor> wedge009: I just closed https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23909, I don't see there being an obvious fix we can add to wesnoth
20151001 11:07:44< wedge009> I just saw that. That's fine, I thought that was a possibility that the issue was outside Wesnoth, but wanted the confirmation. Couldn't hurt to make the team aware of it, eitehr.
20151001 11:07:46< wedge009> either.
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20151001 11:09:31< Aginor> wedge009: not at all, it's good to have it raised
20151001 11:09:36< Aginor> now it's documented :)
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20151001 13:12:25< vultraz> hey celticminstrel 
20151001 13:12:53< celticminstrel> 'lo
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20151001 13:18:23< vultraz> random idea: maybe we can 'finish' this since we're tinkering with [message] atm? https://gna.org/patch/?3215
20151001 13:25:21< celticminstrel> Sure, why not, but there's a few things to maybe consider.
20151001 13:25:42< celticminstrel> Does duration work for all messages or only ones without input?
20151001 13:26:05< celticminstrel> What does show_message_dialog() return if it closes because the duration expires? (I suspect 0 is the most likely.)
20151001 13:35:25< vultraz> I would say only ones sans input
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20151001 17:25:51< celticminstrel> I need to update stuff on the wiki, what was it again...
20151001 17:26:09< celticminstrel> Oh yeah. Looping stuff.
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20151001 17:35:42< celticminstrel> vultraz, anyone else: Does this look good? https://github.com/CelticMinstrel/wesnoth/commit/a66c533acdb0003f7e970ad951c8ec0e02d0f165 
20151001 17:38:47< celticminstrel> Other than forgetting to remove a {VARIABLE {VAR} 0}
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20151001 18:09:12< celticminstrel> Turned up a few other things, so I'm going to make that a PR.
20151001 18:13:32< iceiceice> shikadibot: seen ancestral?
20151001 18:13:32< shikadibot> iceiceice: The person with the nick ancestral 3h 45m ago they left with the message: Read error: Connection reset by peer
20151001 18:14:16< celticminstrel> Any comments on the documentation? http://wiki.wesnoth.org/ConditionalActionsWML#.5Bfor.5D
20151001 18:22:01< celticminstrel> And more: http://wiki.wesnoth.org/InternalActionsWML#Flow_control_actions
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20151001 18:40:22< celticminstrel> vultraz: According to the wiki, there's already duration= in [message] with a different (almost opposite) meaning, though I'm not sure that actually has any effect...
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20151001 18:41:29< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: Eastern invalsion seconds secnario gives me an error causes b your [object] implementation
20151001 18:42:04< celticminstrel> ?
20151001 18:42:54< zookeeper> what's this message duration thing you've been talking about?
20151001 18:43:18< celticminstrel> [Oct 01@09:18:22am] vultraz: random idea: maybe we can 'finish' this since we're tinkering with [message] atm? https://gna.org/patch/?3215
20151001 18:43:19< zookeeper> i assumed you were talking about the current one.
20151001 18:44:26< celticminstrel> The C++ [message] implementation appears to have had no reference to "duration".
20151001 18:44:37< celticminstrel> So the wiki's claim is false.
20151001 18:44:52< celticminstrel> And I assume that never worked.
20151001 18:45:18< celticminstrel> But it might be worthwhile getting it to work.
20151001 18:45:31< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure it worked at some point, at least
20151001 18:45:49< celticminstrel> Then someone must've removed it at some point before I ported [message] to Lua.
20151001 18:46:08< celticminstrel> Because I'm looking at the diff for that and "duration" appears nowhere in it.
20151001 18:46:23< celticminstrel> And I did spell it correctly. >_>
20151001 18:46:47< zookeeper> allowing messages to automatically disappear sounds like a huge can of worms
20151001 18:47:07< celticminstrel> Why?
20151001 18:47:07< zookeeper> "It would help in multiplayer when there are many messages about items or dialogs that can cause long waiting when player is waiting for turn bell and is afk or not paying attention" <- yeah that's exactly where it should _not_ be used
20151001 18:47:16< celticminstrel> Yeah, I agree.
20151001 18:47:53< celticminstrel> Where was that?
20151001 18:47:57< celticminstrel> Oh, bug report.
20151001 18:48:07< zookeeper> https://gna.org/bugs/?18483
20151001 18:49:17< zookeeper> we have a very clear UI convention that no windows/dialogs/messages go away on their own... what happens when a bunch of UMC starts doing that? you'll never know if it's going to happen or not
20151001 18:49:40< celticminstrel> Hmm, okay.
20151001 18:49:50< celticminstrel> Could close that bug, then.
20151001 18:49:53< zookeeper> i mean, at the very least there would need to be a very clear visual indicator
20151001 18:49:58< zookeeper> which shows how much time you have left
20151001 18:50:10< celticminstrel> Which means modifying the WML definition of the dialog.
20151001 18:50:30< celticminstrel> GUI2 supports auto-closing, right? I wonder if the Lua API supports that too.
20151001 18:50:35< zookeeper> i mean, i just thought of the visual indicator right now, and with that in mind, it doesn't sound like such an outright terrible idea anymore
20151001 18:50:37< celticminstrel> Probably not.
20151001 18:50:43< celticminstrel> I see.
20151001 18:51:27< zookeeper> anyway, yeah, originally duration= was intended as misclick protection (which i think was the wrong way to do it)
20151001 18:52:37< zookeeper> i still think misclick protection is very much needed, and that it should be automatic
20151001 18:52:50< celticminstrel> Probably.
20151001 18:53:49< celticminstrel> Sometimes I press escape before the dialog even appears when I want to skip it - would that become impossible under misclick protection, or would escape be exempted?
20151001 18:54:26< celticminstrel> Maybe simply flushing the event queue once the dialog has been fully drawn would suffice?
20151001 18:54:40< celticminstrel> ie, discarding any keypress or mouse click events.
20151001 18:55:09< zookeeper> umm, i'm not sure
20151001 18:55:25< zookeeper> if you press escape before the dialog appears, don't you get the "do you want to quit?" dialog?
20151001 18:55:33< celticminstrel> Ah, maybe.
20151001 18:55:39< celticminstrel> Yeah.
20151001 18:55:42< celticminstrel> I think.
20151001 18:56:18< celticminstrel> It's like just before it appears or something? Maybe?
20151001 18:56:46 * zookeeper has no idea
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20151001 19:11:33< celticminstrel> Okay, I think I've finished the wiki work for my new stuff, finally.
20151001 19:11:40< celticminstrel> That is, until PR501 is merged... >_>
20151001 19:11:46< celticminstrel> Still need changelog entries.
20151001 19:11:55< celticminstrel> Might wait for 501 first.
20151001 19:14:35< celticminstrel> gfgtdf: a) Can you review PR514? b) What's this [object] issue?
20151001 19:15:18< gfgtdf> b) I get a error in the second scenario of Eastern invalsion when i pich up the item in teh cave, and teh error comes from object.lua
20151001 19:15:32< celticminstrel> What line?
20151001 19:16:16< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: don't remember sry i shouldv made a screenshot.
20151001 19:16:41< gfgtdf> a) I nevery used {FOREACH } a my addon so i'm not sure whether i'm the best persoin to review it
20151001 19:17:04< celticminstrel> Well, the Lua stuff though.
20151001 19:17:29 * celticminstrel also wants vultraz to review it but he doesn't seem to be around right now.
20151001 19:19:02< celticminstrel> I don't see any [object] in that scenario, must be a macro.
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20151001 19:19:22< celticminstrel> Ah, holy amulet.
20151001 19:32:11< zookeeper> amulet. emulet. would a young emu be an emulet?
20151001 19:34:07< zookeeper> wait... chocobones could be emus? i think i'm onto something.
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20151001 20:12:43< celticminstrel> Well, that was an easy fix.
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20151001 21:02:09< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: you wixed [object] ?
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20151001 21:03:06< celticminstrel> Yes.
20151001 21:05:59< gfgtdf> frixe*
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20151001 21:12:19< gfgtdf> fixed*
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20151001 21:41:17< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: you'll push it ?
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20151001 21:47:07< celticminstrel> Yes.
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20151001 23:34:29< gfgtdf> could it be that the order in which teh resistances are shown has changed? the order shown in the right side panel is not teh same as shpown uni the help page
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20151001 23:53:10< vultraz> celticminstrel: random q since I'm horrible with iterators... why does the foreach macro use [for] and not [foreach]?
20151001 23:56:59< zookeeper> gfgtdf, yes i think the help has at some point changed to alphabetical order?
20151001 23:58:27< gfgtdf> at least in teh german translation the right side panel is in aphabetical order
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