--- Log opened Fri Oct 02 00:00:37 2015
20151002 00:04:44< zookeeper> right, well, i only remember that _somewhere_ they were now in alphabetical order whereas originally they were always blade-pierce-impact-fire-cold-arcane i think
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20151002 00:32:15< zookeeper> ...which i find unfortunate, because something like that shouldn't vary depending on translations for example
20151002 00:34:35< zookeeper> gfgtdf, the order is the same both in side panel tooltip and unit help for me
20151002 00:35:09< zookeeper> ...unless it's changed very recently, since i haven't built in several weeks
20151002 00:35:17< zookeeper> in both it's alphabetical :|
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20151002 00:52:43< gfgtdf> zookeeper: you play in englih languagge?
20151002 00:53:13< gfgtdf> zookeeper: maybe teh roight side panel is alpabtical order in current langugae and teh help is alpabetical order in engish ?
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20151002 01:11:33< celticminstrel> vultraz: To avoid changing the behaviour of {FOREACH}.
20151002 01:13:15< vultraz> I...see
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20151002 01:46:27< celticminstrel> So, merge 514?
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20151002 01:56:00< vultraz> Yeah I think so
20151002 02:01:35< vultraz> celticminstrel: for 501, the only thing it deprecates is put_unit(underlying_id) right?
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20151002 02:01:52< celticminstrel> Um...
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20151002 02:01:58< irker177> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 9fb175c9d6b8 / data/core/macros/utils.cfg: Use new looping tags to implement loop macros http://git.io/vczz2
20151002 02:01:58< irker177> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master d5e7be9cef92 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Fix [for]reverse= check http://git.io/vczza
20151002 02:01:59< irker177> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master c0384520ad05 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Fix [for]step= not being honoured http://git.io/vczzV
20151002 02:02:00< irker177> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 281f952a0823 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Fix [for] not working for decreasing ranges http://git.io/vczzw
20151002 02:02:01< irker177> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 13033270ae51 / data/lua/wml-tags.lua: Sanity test in [for] for sgn(step) ~= sgn(last-first) http://git.io/vczzr
20151002 02:02:02< irker177> wesnoth: Celtic Minstrel wesnoth:master 74152fc2cb18 / data/lua/wml/object.lua: Fix [object] without a filter http://git.io/vczzo
20151002 02:02:04< irker177> wesnoth: CelticMinstrel wesnoth:master 5698ea218e15 / data/ (core/macros/utils.cfg lua/wml-tags.lua lua/wml/object.lua): Merge pull request #514 from CelticMinstrel/loop-macros http://git.io/vczzK
20151002 02:05:35< celticminstrel> Oh, it's 499, not 501.
20151002 02:05:47< celticminstrel> We were calling it 501 all this time... >_> 
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20151002 02:06:28< vultraz> really?
20151002 02:06:53< celticminstrel> vultraz: It deprecates put_unit(x,y) without a unit, which erases the unit at that spot. It also removes (without deprecation) get_unit(underlying_id). I think that's justified because that form is essentially useless anyway.
20151002 02:07:02< vultraz> huh
20151002 02:07:46< celticminstrel> Oh, it also deprecates put_unit(x,y,unit) in favour of put_unit(unit,x,y) (or unit:to_map(x,y))
20151002 02:08:46< celticminstrel> I'm open to alternate method names here, by the way: https://github.com/wesnoth/wesnoth/pull/499/files#diff-cbc1ee771a060a08f4e069e6049ce7acR4637
20151002 02:09:24< celticminstrel> If anyone has any better ideas.
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20151002 02:41:01< vultraz> celticminstrel: will unit:put(x,y) work?
20151002 02:41:21< celticminstrel> No, it's unit:to_map(x,y).
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20151002 02:41:38< celticminstrel> I could change it to put, but I chose to_map to contrast with to_recall
20151002 02:42:53< vultraz> so does put_unit still work?
20151002 02:42:59< celticminstrel> Yes.
20151002 02:43:09< celticminstrel> wesnoth.put_unit(unit, x, y)
20151002 02:43:18< celticminstrel> Or unit:to_map(x,y)
20151002 02:43:24< vultraz> ok
20151002 02:43:33< vultraz> in that case I see no reason not to merge
20151002 02:44:06< celticminstrel> I kind of wanted to hear what shadowm thinks of it, but apparently he can't review code right now.
20151002 02:44:43< celticminstrel> Or was that just the last time he was around? I dunno.
20151002 02:45:15< vultraz> he's been away for awhile
20151002 02:45:26< vultraz> probably personal issues
20151002 02:45:34< vultraz> earthquake etc
20151002 02:45:47< celticminstrel> Earthquakes are personal?
20151002 02:47:56< vultraz> I assume there's stuff going on in relation to
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20151002 09:02:04< zookeeper> gfgtdf, yes, i play in english
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20151002 12:18:43< fabi> hi
20151002 12:33:06< vultraz> hi
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20151002 13:17:31< Council> Good day.
20151002 13:21:56< vultraz> hello
20151002 13:23:52< Council> :3
20151002 13:24:35< Council> The
20151002 13:24:59< Council> Current dev page speaks high of you~
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20151002 13:25:42 * Council is a first-timer on the IRC
20151002 13:26:13< Council> Is there anything one should know?
20151002 13:29:56< Council> I see I can't expect any conversation to happen at the moment. I will just stay online until someone has time to make sure I don't trip anyone over~
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20151002 14:01:58< zookeeper> Council, since you seem to grasp the general online etiquette, i guess there's not that much other essentials to know.
20151002 14:02:20< Council> Oh, good day againo.o
20151002 14:02:43< Council> Are you certain? Perhaps an introduction, credentials to see what work I should be pointed to do?
20151002 14:03:22< zookeeper> oh, well, i didn't know you were looking for things to work on
20151002 14:04:31< Council> Apologies for the lack of information provided, then.
20151002 14:04:40< zookeeper> what work you can be pointed to depends awfully lot on what skills you have
20151002 14:05:18< Council> I am rusty, but I've been rather good at WML back in the 7. series.
20151002 14:05:43< Council> I enjoyed and was talented at sanitizing code
20151002 14:05:51< zookeeper> "7. series"?
20151002 14:06:10< Council> Back when the Wesnoth 7.X came out.
20151002 14:06:24< zookeeper> 0.7? well that's a long time ago then
20151002 14:06:39< zookeeper> but i guess the fundamentals haven't changed much since then
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20151002 14:07:52< Council> Otherwise, I was self-taught and had no experience with code. I suppose I could clean up and reduce file sizes in places.
20151002 14:09:33< zookeeper> i don't think we really have a lot of WML which really needs cleanup, except maybe for the couple of WML-heavy multiplayer scenarios
20151002 14:11:14< zookeeper> i mean, there's a lot of code that could be written in a cleaner manner, but... i find that sort of effort to be in most cases useless because even if the old code isn't optimal, it's usually not so messy that it's actually hard to understand or work with
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20151002 14:11:35< Council> Oh, don't you sweat difficulty in the area.
20151002 14:11:54< Council> You have no idea what I had to clean up as my first work. Never seen worse ever since.
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20151002 14:12:31< zookeeper> yeah, but we've had a long time since to clean up the mainline code of ReallyHorribleWML :p
20151002 14:13:01< zookeeper> i'm just saying that there's not a lot of utter travesty left to clean up. i'm sure there's something somewhere.
20151002 14:14:07< Council> Then I will look for them and report back to you once found?
20151002 14:14:15< zookeeper> sure
20151002 14:14:57< Council> Excellent. Glad to be of assistance~
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20151002 15:16:52< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: the mainline backstab weapon specials seems not to work :s
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20151002 15:35:40< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: hmm ok i think teh reason is, that if the ability is applied by an [object] the $other_unit.facing variable is inserted when teh object is applied and not when teh wepon special is checked
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20151002 15:49:14< zookeeper> maybe fixable by just inserting a | there?
20151002 15:50:19< gfgtdf> zookeeper: then it wouldnt work in units, its basically the same problem as with the teleport ability.
20151002 15:55:21< zookeeper> sounds like a problem
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20151002 17:36:28< Council> Pardon, Zookeeper?
20151002 17:36:38< zookeeper> hmh?
20151002 17:36:38< Council> I'd wish to report a bug:3
20151002 17:36:51< zookeeper> please do
20151002 17:37:20< Council> In the Liberty campaign's third mission, the allied leader has been changed to a lady by the name of Felana
20151002 17:37:35< Council> But the opponents still hunt for the old character Fhal Kag by name.
20151002 17:38:19< zookeeper> fhal kag is the goblin in the first scenario
20151002 17:38:29< zookeeper> relnan was the old male character in the third scenario
20151002 17:38:41< Council> Ahh
20151002 17:38:42< Council> The
20151002 17:38:43< Council> n
20151002 17:38:51< zookeeper> yeah, not a bug :P
20151002 17:38:54< Council> Fhal Kag was the goblin hunter.
20151002 17:39:04 * Council was overeagero.o
20151002 17:39:24< Council> What an embarrassment to miss the first try. Not a good impression.
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20151002 17:39:40< zookeeper> no worries
20151002 17:40:00< Council> Embarassed I saidx.x
20151002 17:41:09< Council> Liberty was my favourite, and now I don't remember the story at all, as I seem.
20151002 17:44:20< Council> Why was Kelnan replaced?o.o
20151002 17:44:29< Council> Female representation?:3
20151002 17:44:50< zookeeper> yeah, more or less
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20151002 19:03:19< Elvish_Hunter> Hi
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20151002 19:08:55< vultraz> hey
20151002 19:09:21< gfgtdf> hi
20151002 19:09:51< celticminstrel> Whee.
20151002 19:12:07< Elvish_Hunter> So, I bring news about the [difficulty] tag.
20151002 19:12:23< Elvish_Hunter> Long short story, I can't make a patch to have wmllint handle it :/
20151002 19:13:22< Elvish_Hunter> This because almost every campaign has its style to handle it: MENU_IMG_TXT, MENU_IMG_TXT2, writing everythin in a single line, split on multiple lines, string concatenation...
20151002 19:15:03< celticminstrel> I kinda expected that.
20151002 19:15:12< Elvish_Hunter> It looks like the most that I can do is adding a check that, if difficulty_descriptions= is found, warns the user to update manually, but that's it.
20151002 19:17:49< Elvish_Hunter> celticminstrel: yeah, I expected it too, but I didn't give up until I collected a few random _main.cfg files and checked them. It was like opening a can of worms :P
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20151002 21:14:00< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: you knwo when 499 wil be merged ?
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20151002 21:14:46< celticminstrel> That's lua-unit, right?
20151002 21:14:50< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: yes
20151002 21:15:46< gfgtdf> celticminstrel: also do you know how luaL_argerr works? will lua arg error show the function name as "to_map" when the function i used as u:to_map(x,y) and as "put_unit" when teh function is used as wesnoth.put_unit(u,x,y) ?
20151002 21:16:49< celticminstrel> Lua in general always seems to use the name the function was called by in error messages, rather than the one it was defined by. It's actually a minor annoyance of mine, but I suppose in this situation it would be a good thing.
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