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20151011 09:26:39< Aginor> hey wedge009 
20151011 09:31:47< vultraz> quick question: might the sdl2 branch hotkey changes fix this? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23625
20151011 09:33:04 * Aginor reads
20151011 09:33:27< Aginor> I think so
20151011 09:35:01< vultraz> ah :D
20151011 09:35:13< vultraz> ill remember to test
20151011 09:38:48< vultraz> how's the sdl2 work going, btw?
20151011 09:45:09< Aginor> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?23625 is hard.
20151011 09:45:17< Aginor> wait, wrong bug
20151011 09:45:24< Aginor> https://gna.org/bugs/?23908 is hard.
20151011 09:45:59< Aginor> I've spend the last couple of hours tracing through it more, and I think I've figured out what's going wrong properly at last
20151011 09:46:13< Aginor> but I still haven't figured out how to fix it without patching SDL2
20151011 09:48:44< Aginor> well, that's actually not quite true
20151011 09:49:05< Aginor> I probably could fix things, but it'd involve a couple of hacks
20151011 09:49:11< vultraz> :(
20151011 09:49:42< Aginor> I'll need to modify the main event-loop regardless
20151011 09:50:35< Aginor> the problem is as follows:
20151011 09:51:09< Aginor> SDL uses shared memory for the pixel data for the window surface (on linux, I think it's similar on windows)
20151011 09:51:43< Aginor> When events are pumped, the window surface becomes invalidated
20151011 09:52:05< Aginor> any subsequent blit operations OR render operations on that surface is thus invalid
20151011 09:52:25< Aginor> the renderer itself will acquire a reference to the window surface
20151011 09:52:26 * zookeeper isn't sure whether to do the UtBS unit line rework in a main repo branch or a fork branch
20151011 09:53:09< Aginor> the process of acquiering the new window surface will unmap the shared memory for the previous window surface.
20151011 09:53:19< Aginor> Any further operations then crashes.
20151011 09:53:20< zookeeper> i'm leaning towards the former since then others could push to it directly
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20151011 09:54:13< Aginor> zookeeper: is it contentious or will have significant effects?
20151011 09:55:42< zookeeper> no and yes
20151011 09:56:08< Aginor> zookeeper: will it be disruptive until it's done?
20151011 09:56:13< zookeeper> yes
20151011 09:56:27< Aginor> zookeeper: maybe at least a branch then? :)
20151011 09:56:33< zookeeper> well that was the first option
20151011 09:56:39< vultraz> I think you should use the main repo
20151011 09:56:54< Aginor> I somehow missed the word branch, sorry
20151011 09:58:10< Aginor> zookeeper: do main repo with a branch
20151011 09:58:12< zookeeper> i guess there's no downsides to doing something like that in a main repo branch, because all the WIP stuff can be squashed before merging, right?
20151011 09:58:45< Aginor> It's Bad Style do squash the commits in a public repo like that
20151011 09:58:56< Aginor> because you'll be rewriting history
20151011 09:59:07< Aginor> and other people may be haivng problems
20151011 09:59:23< Aginor> not to mention that it's Extra Bad if you have other people's commits in there too
20151011 10:00:05< zookeeper> yeah but i'm not going to litter the history with a hundred tiny commits
20151011 10:01:00< zookeeper> the history of how i go about writing some unit .cfg's is no value to anyone after the fact
20151011 10:01:20< Aginor> zookeeper: I don't think it's a good idea to rebase on the master repo though. If you're intending to do that I think it's better to use your own forked repo
20151011 10:04:02 * Aginor frowns
20151011 10:04:18< Aginor> so much event handling code is spread out across different classes
20151011 10:04:25< Aginor> this will not be fun to consolidate
20151011 10:06:25< vultraz> Aginor: is this related to your plan for multithreading?
20151011 10:06:52< vultraz> zookeeper: yeah, if you need to squash stuff then you should use a fork
20151011 10:07:19< zookeeper> why? what's wrong with squashing in the main repo?
20151011 10:07:20< vultraz> zookeeper: however, you should push art to master as well
20151011 10:07:39< Aginor> vultraz: I've scrapped that plan already
20151011 10:07:44< vultraz> zookeeper: if you squash locally, nothing
20151011 10:08:01< vultraz> zookeeper: if you squash commits already on remote, you have to force push and rewrite history
20151011 10:08:04< zookeeper> i guess it's because if other people have local commits depending on the non-squashed commits, they'll have trouble when they pull the squashing?
20151011 10:08:09< zookeeper> oh, right
20151011 10:08:26< zookeeper> force push. that's the verboten thing.
20151011 10:11:05< vultraz> Aginor: oh. ok
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20151011 10:11:24< Aginor> zookeeper: which you would have to do if you squash your commits
20151011 10:11:52< Aginor> vultraz: the argument of "how many people can do threading here" made me reconsider
20151011 10:12:01< vultraz> right 
20151011 10:12:22< vultraz> Aginor: is threading necessary to prevent gui2 from freezing everything, though, or is that something else
20151011 10:13:33< Aginor> I still believe that it would be nice to do an event-thread, but given what I've discovered about SDL2's software rendering it'd make matters even more complicated
20151011 10:13:52< Aginor> vultraz: it's unrelated, it'd simply make input more responsive
20151011 10:14:04< vultraz> ah
20151011 10:15:58< Aginor> hmm
20151011 10:17:00< Aginor> gui2 uses user events to cause draw-cycles at intervals. If a cycle exceeds the interval, then that draw event will simple reside in the event queue
20151011 10:17:29< Aginor> if that draw cycle ends up in front of a resize event that's been triggered there'll be a crash
20151011 10:17:46< vultraz> Why does it need draw cycles at intervals?
20151011 10:20:00< Aginor> vultraz: FPS limit
20151011 10:20:11< Aginor> to curb cpu usage
20151011 10:20:11< vultraz> ?
20151011 10:20:33< Aginor> Why draw 2000 frames in one second when 60 is enough?
20151011 10:21:09< vultraz> true
20151011 10:22:28< vultraz> maybe I lack an understanding of how rendering works, but why does it have to render 60 times anyway? it's a static dialog
20151011 10:23:26< Aginor> vultraz: that's a good point, and there's a number of things it usually omits
20151011 10:23:46< Aginor> but as a part of all of this it's also polling for user input, such as mouse movements
20151011 10:24:12< vultraz> but shouldn't the draw cycles interact with the movement?
20151011 10:24:24< vultraz> instead of constantly redrawing in hope of an interacting?
20151011 10:24:52< vultraz> or do the areas under the mouse have to redraw once it moves?
20151011 10:25:07< Aginor> it only redraws the parts interacted with
20151011 10:25:15< Aginor> so it takes shortcuts
20151011 10:25:28< Aginor> that's how you get button highlights for example
20151011 11:07:34< zookeeper> what the heck, UtBS...
20151011 11:07:35< zookeeper>     [hide_help]
20151011 11:07:35< zookeeper>         type_adv_tree=Elvish Fighter,Elvish Shaman,Elvish Archer,Elvish Scout,Elvish Lord,Wose
20151011 11:07:40< zookeeper> ...Wose?
20151011 11:10:12< Aginor> I must be tired, I read Elivsh as Elvis and that caused all kinds of odd mental imagery. The Evlis shaman...
20151011 11:13:34< vultraz> oh deer :P
20151011 11:14:48< vultraz> zookeeper: looks like it's hiding the result elves
20151011 11:38:51< Aginor> bah
20151011 11:39:00< Aginor> lines like this is bad: surface screen = video().getSurface();
20151011 11:39:22< Aginor> getSurface() returns a reference
20151011 11:39:38< Aginor> which is discarded so that instead a local copy is used
20151011 11:39:56< Aginor> which means it'll retain stale values
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20151011 13:06:17< vultraz> Aginor: what's used instead of SDL_WM_SetCaption in sdl2?
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20151011 13:20:35< irker827> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master 7a6293a86bb2 / src/editor/map/ (context_manager.cpp context_manager.hpp): Display name of current map in window title http://git.io/vCcwr
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20151011 13:57:01< irker827> wesnoth: Charles Dang wesnoth:master fe7b30fafa5f / src/hotkey/hotkey_command.cpp: Restrict "Enter User Command" to game scope only http://git.io/vCcXM
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20151011 16:51:23< irker827> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 5438ec8a487b / src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): side specific variables. http://git.io/vCCn6
20151011 16:51:25< irker827> wesnoth: gfgtdf wesnoth:master 65b2eb2a7e81 / src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Merge pull request #520 from gfgtdf/lua_carryover http://git.io/vCCni
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20151011 16:53:33< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: i merged the side variables thing. I f you want to have another syntax like wesnoth.sides[i].variables i think it's the easiest to implement that in lua (which than uses wesnoth.get/set_side_variable)
20151011 16:53:56< celmin|sleep> So, in helper.lau
20151011 16:54:00< celmin|sleep> ^helper.lua
20151011 17:01:42< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: hmm maybe it can also be implemented in c++, i personally think implenting this meatatables stuff is easier to do in lua than in c++
20151011 17:02:18< celmin|sleep> I actually think this one makes a bit more sense in C++, since there's already a teams table.
20151011 17:03:12< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: can't you do wesnoth.sides[i].variables = create_vside_variables_metatable(i) in lua ?
20151011 17:03:35< celmin|sleep> Not sure. Depends whether that's a table or a userdata.
20151011 17:03:59< celmin|sleep> I think it's probably a table, but I'm not sure.
20151011 17:04:27< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: hmm its mostlikeley a table with a __netindex metamethod which blocks such things
20151011 17:04:44< celmin|sleep> If it's a table, I suspect it only has __index and not __newindex.
20151011 17:05:12< celmin|sleep> Even if it did have __newindex you could use rawset, right?
20151011 17:05:22< celmin|sleep> But, I still think doing it in C++ is probably better.
20151011 17:05:42< gfgtdf> celmin|sleep: right i forgot about rawse
20151011 17:05:45< gfgtdf> t
20151011 17:06:58< fabi> You should use MoonScript. It compiles into lua and has a really nice syntax.
20151011 17:07:07< celmin|sleep> :|
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20151011 17:33:35< wedge009> Aginor: Sorry, was busy. Did you need something from me?
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20151011 20:28:37< Aginor> wedge009: no worries, and I think I managed to get on on my own
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20151011 21:11:03< Aginor> heh, force-loading your own version of the SDL2 library on an SDL1 build makes it crash
20151011 21:11:10< Aginor> I don't think anyone is surprised by that
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20151011 22:04:17< irker600> wesnoth: ln-zookeeper wesnoth:master a437c538d5dc / data/core/ (5 files in 2 dirs): New staff and club sounds, from material by leorock116 http://git.io/vCWZL
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20151011 22:07:18< irker600> wesnoth: Lari Nieminen resources:master 09961da2d8ac / sounds-wav/ (club-miss.wav club.wav mace-miss.wav mace.wav staff-miss.wav staff.wav): Lossless copies of new mace, club and staff sounds http://git.io/vCWZC
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20151011 22:34:43< neverEnough> how to tell scons to use more than 1 core/cpu ?
20151011 22:34:53< celticminstrel> --jobs=4 I think
20151011 22:35:04< neverEnough> doh thx! will try next recompile
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20151011 23:36:32< neverEnough> looks like there is smthing broken with chat messages, investigating
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20151011 23:53:44< gfgtdf> neverEnough: you mean chat messaes appearing twice ?
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